Poland Outlaws Halal and Kosher slaughter of animals

Muslims do know the difference between what is halal(lawful to them) and non-halal which is haraam (forbidden to them), it will affect them when it comes to faith and hence why Muslims eat halal only, to say that they don't know the difference is a understatement, they will very much care especially if they are tricked into eating non-halal food. They will always pick halal, if there isn't halal meat it doesnt mean they will eat non-halal meat.
I very much doubt, the only people who care about where there meat comes from are people who have a view on animal welfare but that in itself is very opinionated.

I personally find nothing wrong with halal and to be honest is far more concerned with animal welfare compared to non-halal meat which can come from numerous sources where throughout their lives animals will suffer from birth and suddenly its all better because you stun it



No where does it say that they can be prosecuted under so and so....................all its stated in your source is that all slaughter including ritual must be stunned beforehand. And even reading it, there is already political backlash.

Well, actually it is still legal. Halal slaughter can still be done with a prior stun, so that's still legal. As for Kosher meat (although I'm no expert), stunning is not strictly against Kosher slaughtering rules. So if ritual slaughter was done with prior stunning it would a) still be ritual slaughter and b) still be halal/kosher. So the statement that "Poland outlaws halal and kosher slaughter" is extremely misleading, and judging from most of the posts in the thread, I am not alone in getting the wrong impression of what exactly happened.

Edit: Anyway, we can argue all day about semantics. As for the main topic, I am very very glad that Poland has decided to keep this, and I would hope that England and other countries follow suite.

im pretty sure these were oversights - halal meat is generally labelled

75% is not oversights if we are talking about the children who eat the food. Of course the schools know that it's halal.

I'm not sure what the current stance on general meat in supermarkets is. I know Morrisons sell non-halal meat in a certain section, I couldn't find any up to date information about others.

I know this is bad.. But I misread it as poundland d'oh moment

a stun or dead bolt is not halal/ kosher slaughter that's the point

I would have thought major supermarkets sell majority humane slaughtered meats, apart from smaller labelled sections for halal kosher

the stunning of the animal automatically makes it non kosher/halal according to the those 'experts' which is why the issue is there at all. poles calls this form of inhmane slaughter as ritual, they rejected an exemeption bill for kosher, and therefore it is illegal under the animal cruelty laws- that is what the article actually says. I appreciate that animal cruelty is not a concern of yours but it is to many others- and the fact the EU has anti cruelty laws means it is a major issue n Europe. you are also missing the point- I said that muslims are unable to differenciate between halal and non hala meat if they are not told which is which - and also non halal meat does not have any negative affects on them. the whole point of what they pick is simply cultural ie its something they have always done int he past. again I don't see this as an argument for inhumane slaughter or unecessarry suffering, even if that is not the concern of halal butchers. I guess the point of contention is the 'need ' to cause the anmial to suffer during its halal/kosher ritual slaughter vs the morality of minimising that as much as possible

BOOM! So much, so much, so much freaking ignorance. See here:
https://www.rspca.org.uk/ImageLocator/LocateAsset?asset=document&assetId=1232719611043&mode=prd

Animal welfare isn't a concern? That's why lots of Muslim scholars and Jewish Rabbis don't allow battery farming, which is allowed in a lot of Western farms?

Someone posted a link about a halal abbatoir, when there are so many more non halal abbotoirs treating their animals cruelly as well ie:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Cruel+farm&oq=Cruel+farm&gs_l=youtube.3..0i5.6053.7634.0.7943.10.9.0.1.1.0.115.637.8j1.9.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.PIEy95Or4so

SHould we now ban meat altogether? Especially as the only real difference between halal meat (Not so for Kosher I guess) is that there's a prayer over it?

I'd like to see progress in animal slaughter to make it more humane through consistent stunning and higher standards at slaughterhouses, and this can't happen if we allow exceptions to the law for religious reasons. It's not that Halal was ever intended to be cruel, but it's now possible to do better and that's what we should be aiming for.

Ritual slaughter is barbaric, and has no place in a civilised society. Battery farming is a different issue. Sure, battery farming is cruel and barbaric too, but we are talking about killing animals for human consumption and the methods used, not the conditions in which animals are kept. That is a different issue.

Again, I'm not sure about Kosher, in here in the UK (as de-mones pointed out) the majority of halal meat uses a stun. Thus if such a law were to be passed in the UK, only a fraction of the halal meat would become illegal. The halal meat that does use the stun is still considered halal.

See my post here:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2406804&page=3&p=43566086#post43566086

If similar rules were brought in to the UK, this wouldn't really affect the halal market



Seriously. Can you not read?

Unless you can explain what you mean, I detect a logical fallacy approaching from you.

Suppressing freedom of expression is not 'good' in my eyes. Broadly speaking

See my post here:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2406804&page=3&p=43566086#post43566086

If similar rules were brought in to the UK, this wouldn't really affect the halal market