#Catcalling Video Maker Receives &quot;Rape and Death Threats&quot; Online.

Original post by DErasmus

Do men say 'have a nice day' to other men? The problem is the context, if they were in cafe or bar fair enough, but a woman should be able to walk down the street without having comments made about her.

Are you ****ing joking? Least you've now proved what a tool you really are and why we never agree on things.

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Original post by DErasmus

Do men say 'have a nice day' to other men? The problem is the context, if they were in cafe or bar fair enough, but a woman should be able to walk down the street without having comments made about her.

Would you whinge if a woman said "have a nice day" to a bloke? NO. Exactly...

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Original post by billydisco

Are you ****ing joking? Least you've now proved what a tool you really are and why we never agree on things.

Not surprised we don't agree upon things. I have been socialised to respect women's rights.

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Original post by DErasmus

Not surprised we don't agree upon things. I have been socialised to respect women's rights.

Womens' rights to what?

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Original post by billydisco

Womens' rights to what?

To walk down the street without 100s of men trying to get in her pants.

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Original post by DErasmus

To walk down the street without 100s of men trying to get in her pants.

Better ban talking to people then, huh?

So you'd have said the exact same comment if a guy had walked down the road and a woman said "Have a good day"?

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Original post by billydisco

So you'd have said the exact same comment if a guy had walked down the road and a woman said "Have a good day"?

When does this happen? And yes if it was consistent and intimidating / clearly unwanted attention.

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Original post by DErasmus

When does this happen?

Would you moan about it or not if the same happened to a guy?

Original post by DErasmus

And yes if it was consistent and intimidating / clearly unwanted attention.

A girl comes down the road, I say have a nice day- how the **** am I going to know whether ten other guys had said the same thing to her? Or whether it was unwanyed attention?

You're effectively wanting to ban speaking to strangers.

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ThatPerson

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Original post by arson_fire

I can`t defend the rape threats, but she did participate in a blatantly racist piece of propaganda intended to show that white middle-class women are "victims" of harassment from ethnic minority males, and she must be prepared to take some criticism for that.

If you bothered looking beyond the video, you will find that the video creator has already answered this question. In short, white men tended to say things in passing, so they got less screen time. Anyway, you'll rarely find a city with a completely equal ratio of races. I also think that socioeconomic factors have to be considered as well when discussing the root causes of the harassment.

One thing I will say though is that I wouldn't count "Have a nice day" as harassment. They won't say it to other men because they are heterosexual. However I do see how it would be ****ing annoying if dozens of strangers made comments (no matter how seemingly innocuous) every time you walked down a street.

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Original post by billydisco

Would you moan about it or not if the same happened to a guy?

A girl comes down the road, I say have a nice day- how the **** am I going to know whether ten other guys had said the same thing to her? Or whether it was unwanyed attention?

You're effectively wanting to ban speaking to strangers.

No i'm not. You can speak to strangers with a context (for example wanting directions) but giving a woman unwanted attention when she is travelling from A-Z... ask yourself why are they saying 'have a nice day' do they say that to everyone? I doubt it, there's an agenda here and its creepy and intimidating when you're just trying to get on with your life to say the least.

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Original post by DErasmus

No i'm not. You can speak to strangers with a context (for example wanting directions) but giving a woman unwanted attention when she is travelling from A-Z... ask yourself why are they saying 'have a nice day' do they say that to everyone? I doubt it, there's an agenda here and its creepy and intimidating when you're just trying to get on with your life to say the least.

Is it "creepy", "intimidating" if a woman says "have a good day" to a guy?

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Original post by billydisco

Is it "creepy", "intimidating" if a woman says "have a good day" to a guy?

In the street in a poor area? Hell yeah

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Captain Haddock

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Original post by ThatPerson

One thing I will say though is that I wouldn't count "Have a nice day" as harassment. They won't say it to other men because they are heterosexual. However I do see how it would be ****ing annoying if dozens of strangers made comments (no matter how seemingly innocuous) every time you walked down a street.

But that's exactly it. I'm a 6'7 guy and I can barely go one day without hearing "wow you're tall!", "do you play basketball?", "how tall are you?!", and so on from strangers on the street. Frankly, I don't care if they're 'just being friendly' or 'just trying to make conversation' or whatever. It's ****ing annoying. But the thing is, I have the privilege of not being intimidated by these people. I can easily imagine how somebody might feel threatened/harassed if they constantly received thinly veiled sexual comments from people bigger and stronger than them.

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Jammy Duel

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Original post by Captain Haddock

But that's exactly it. I'm a 6'7 guy and I can barely go one day without hearing "wow you're tall!", "do you play basketball?", "how tall are you?!", and so on from strangers on the street. Frankly, I don't care if they're 'just being friendly' or 'just trying to make conversation' or whatever. It's ****ing annoying. But the thing is, I have the privilege of not being intimidated by these people. I can easily imagine how somebody might feel threatened/harassed if they constantly received thinly veiled sexual comments from people bigger and stronger than them.

It's so much more fun (for a while) in other countries because you get different questions :biggrin:

In Mauritius you would get asked if you're a policeman or in the army a lot more than for sports.

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Huskaris

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I can imagine the smile on her face when that first death threat came in. I bet she was on the phone to media outlets faster than a fat kid reaching for a doughnut when his mum is out the room.

No one is going to kill her. No one is going to rape her. Her case is strengthened by this.

Troll bait will bait trolls. The video was an awful accusation against men, especially black ones. It is actually quite a nasty video to be honest...

Internet trolls who perceive sexism against men respond with pathetic death threats and rape threats. They are idiots but they're not kicking her door down.

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username521617

OP

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Original post by Captain Haddock

But that's exactly it. I'm a 6'7 guy and I can barely go one day without hearing "wow you're tall!", "do you play basketball?", "how tall are you?!", and so on from strangers on the street. Frankly, I don't care if they're 'just being friendly' or 'just trying to make conversation' or whatever. It's ****ing annoying. But the thing is, I have the privilege of not being intimidated by these people. I can easily imagine how somebody might feel threatened/harassed if they constantly received thinly veiled sexual comments from people bigger and stronger than them.

While this may be true in part, a sizeable proportion of that "harassment" wasn't particularly threatening. Not even in tone. Also, it's in New York, the very hub of weird people talking to you on the street.

To many, this video implies that the simple act of greeting a passing woman is an act of "sexual harassment" or something similar. There have even been women speaking out against the video, saying that it might be setting a bad precedent (e.g. on The Young Turks, which, coming from them, took me by surprise).

(edited 9 years ago)

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The Epicurean

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Original post by Jono404

As for the video, some of the men are very, very, creepy but I don't really think saying 'Smile' or 'Have a nice day' counts as harassment. And what are we going to do about it, ban talking to people on the street?

The context is important. Firstly they aren't saying "Hello", "God bless you" and "have a nice day" to everybody who passes by. I highly doubt other men or elderly ladies receive these comments. They are aimed at specific people, often young and attractive women. These comments aren't simply pleasant small talk but rather comments that carry an ulterior motive.

Also, it is the frequency that is also a problem. If we lived in a society where everybody was friendly and greeted every passing person, whether young or old, male or female, then such greetings would be taken as friendly. But we all know quite well that in big cities people often don't talk to each other much and keep to themselves. But it seems that for a certain subsection of society only, that these comments are frequent.

For instance, I don't mind walking in to a store and a staff member approaching me and asking if I am ok and if I need any help. I do however find it an issue when everywhere I walk around the store I am constantly approached by staff members asking if I am ok and if I need help. Though asking me if I need help or if I am ok does not appear to be harassment on its own, when it becomes too frequent, it can be deemed as harassment. I know many customers are driven away and put off when they are constantly pounced upon by staff when all they wish to do is to browse the store and be left in peace.

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Annaaaa

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Original post by Dandaman1

Because these women practically view themselves as royalty and men as the peasants (the rapist peasants who are harassing and oppressing them). Don't speak unless spoken to, don't touch my hand without permission, don't even stare me in the eyes! Thou art not worthy, vile penis monster! (Unless you're Chris Hemsworth, of course).

Oh bore off!

Are you saying that you would happily let a stranger leer at you or try to grab your hand without you're permission?
Of course you wouldn't! because that would make you uncomfortable and you expect to be treated with a certain level of respect from other people...which is completely understandable but why is it when women expect the same respect, it's suddenly unjustified because women apparently want to be treated like royalty? I really don't understand how people are getting SO riled up over someone calling out ****ty behaviour from a certain group of people.

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