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Reply 20
What's the best American/ and worldwide Uni for maths then?
btw look at the academic rep on this link... http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/ng-interactive/2014/sep/09/-sp-qs-world-university-rankings-2014-mathematics
I need help in applying.
Even if the chances are small the education would be better than Warwick for example. (and it's also worth a shot anyhow...)
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Reply 21
Original post by physicsmaths
Screw mit maths. Mit maths students went to cambridge and couldnt handle it. Cambridge is the best for Maths in the world and on average MIT will have similar amount of olaces but more applicants that is why the rate is so low. Also in America Universities take care to the person and all other aspects where cambridge literally only care about how good you are at maths.
Cambridge maths ftw


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Where did you get this from bro?
Just curious to know.
Original post by demigawdz
Where did you get this from bro?
Just curious to know.


Out of my brain bro. Serious, I am bigtime bias towards Cambridge. But seriously no one can match Cambridge maths in terms of quality of degree and entry standards aswell as the system of teaching there. Although MIT probably tops cambridge in ratings.
You can also note the alumni Cambrdige have produced especially in Maths.


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Original post by physicsmaths
Out of my brain bro. Serious, I am bigtime bias towards Cambridge. But seriously no one can match Cambridge maths in terms of quality of degree and entry standards aswell as the system of teaching there. Although MIT probably tops cambridge in ratings.
You can also note the alumni Cambrdige have produced especially in Maths.

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lolbro
I completely agree- but do you reckon MIT/ Harvard perform quite a bit better academically than some place like Warwick? (because this is probably a place where it's hard not to get in for maths)...
Original post by demigawdz
What's the best American/ and worldwide Uni for maths then?
btw look at the academic rep on this link... http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/ng-interactive/2014/sep/09/-sp-qs-world-university-rankings-2014-mathematics
I need help in applying.
Even if the chances are small the education would be better than Warwick for example. (and it's also worth a shot anyhow...)


You can apply to as many American universities as you want.

Here's an idea, apply to all of them and see how many offers you get, then make a decision?
Reply 25
Original post by Brubeckian
You can apply to as many American universities as you want.

Here's an idea, apply to all of them and see how many offers you get, then make a decision?


lol the idea is that it's only worth going if I get a scholarship from them (I dont want to come back here and be broke lol) and that they are better than Warwick (as I'm pretty confident I can get in there).
And I thought I heard somewhere that applying cost a fee of like 60 quid for example at some places.
Original post by demigawdz
lol the idea is that it's only worth going if I get a scholarship from them (I dont want to come back here and be broke lol) and that they are better than Warwick (as I'm pretty confident I can get in there).
And I thought I heard somewhere that applying cost a fee of like 60 quid for example at some places.


Obviously the top American uni's are better than Warwick, there's 3 uni's in England that are better than Warwick (maths) lol.
Original post by demigawdz
lol the idea is that it's only worth going if I get a scholarship from them (I dont want to come back here and be broke lol) and that they are better than Warwick (as I'm pretty confident I can get in there).
And I thought I heard somewhere that applying cost a fee of like 60 quid for example at some places.


Why aren't you considering Oxbridge/Imperial ?


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Original post by physicsmaths
Why aren't you considering Oxbridge/Imperial ?


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I am considering Cam and Warwick but isn't imperial kinda expensive (living in london), (and a ugly city to live in)?
I was thinking of applying there as at a ucas convention they said the STEP grades for good apllicants can be quite low (like 2's or 3's)
Original post by demigawdz
I am considering Cam and Warwick but isn't imperial kinda expensive (living in london), (and a ugly city to live in)?
I was thinking of applying there as at a ucas convention they said the STEP grades for good apllicants can be quite low (like 2's or 3's)


London isn't ugly...south Kensington is definitely not ugly.
Original post by demigawdz
lol the idea is that it's only worth going if I get a scholarship from them (I dont want to come back here and be broke lol) and that they are better than Warwick (as I'm pretty confident I can get in there).
And I thought I heard somewhere that applying cost a fee of like 60 quid for example at some places.


MIT has need-based financial aid (which is offered to international students in equal measure). This is similar to most top universities in the States (Harvard, Princeton, Stanford etc. etc. ).

As someone said before, the international admissions rate for MIT is horrifically low, but it's always worth a shot. There are admissions fees (application fee, SAT fees etc.) but it's possible to get a fee waiver if you can demonstrate financial need (not sure how easy this is though).

I wouldn't concern yourself too much with which is 'the best'– when you're that high in the league tables (Cambridge, Oxford, MIT, Harvard etc.) , they're all pretty incredible institutions to go to, and the opportunities and education you'll get from any of them is second to none.
Original post by Brubeckian
Obviously the top American uni's are better than Warwick, there's 3 uni's in England that are better than Warwick (maths) lol.


Not necessarily actually. In America the courses are broad so you take Maths alongside multiple other subjects and then specialise much later. With a few exceptions you would learn far more maths at Warwick or Imperial for instance than you would at MIT.
Reply 32
Original post by ThatPerson
Not necessarily actually. In America the courses are broad so you take Maths alongside multiple other subjects and then specialise much later. With a few exceptions you would learn far more maths at Warwick or Imperial for instance than you would at MIT.


And because of this, even at Harvard/MIT you generally don't get onto the kind of maths we cover in 3rd/4th year at COWI (especially 4th year) and is why PhDs in the US generally take 2+ years more than they do in the UK. If you exclude the extreme classes at Harvard (like Math 55, which is taken by hardly anyone) even the top Harvard students peak at what would be 3rd year modules here, such as functional analysis, and generally those who manage to get onto these have spent the majority of their mathematical education focusing on that 'stream' (so in the case of functional analysis, they'd have predominantly done analysis). So yes, education in the US isn't really comparable to the UK. I don't think it's better or worse, there are certainly some benefits of having a more broad education (especially with a subject like maths which changes substantially at the undergrad level) but if people are seeking a hardcore education in maths the US system is definitely not better than what the UK offers at Oxbridge/Warwick/Imperial.
Original post by Noble.
And because of this, even at Harvard/MIT you generally don't get onto the kind of maths we cover in 3rd/4th year at COWI (especially 4th year) and is why PhDs in the US generally take 2+ years more than they do in the UK. If you exclude the extreme classes at Harvard (like Math 55, which is taken by hardly anyone) even the top Harvard students peak at what would be 3rd year modules here, such as functional analysis, and generally those who manage to get onto these have spent the majority of their mathematical education focusing on that 'stream' (so in the case of functional analysis, they'd have predominantly done analysis). So yes, education in the US isn't really comparable to the UK. I don't think it's better or worse, there are certainly some benefits of having a more broad education (especially with a subject like maths which changes substantially at the undergrad level) but if people are seeking a hardcore education in maths the US system is definitely not better than what the UK offers at Oxbridge/Warwick/Imperial.


Woo. The stuff they learn in first year maths is what we do in sixth form further maths and they don't do any newtonian mechanics.


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Reply 34
Original post by physicsmaths
Woo. The stuff they learn in first year maths is what we do in sixth form further maths and they don't do any newtonian mechanics.


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What!!!
But mechanics is like one of the most important maths....
Reply 35
Original post by jjsnyder
I do not know the policies at MIT. But 3 A*s will get you anywhere as long as you perform well at interview. I imagine you will have to sit the SAT tests though, as it is an American uni.

MIT and the top unis do not care at all about interviews. They rarely grant them and they are essentially meaningless. Test scores and perfect academic records will keep you in the running but you'd have to be a mighty impressive candidate who has done more than excell at your exams and class work. MIT is looking for proven "geniuses" with real track records of accomplishments outside grades and test scores.
Unless you are an American citizen or resident I doubt you would qualify for "need blind" financial aid. Merit scholarships are generally offered by competition sponsors such as the Gates or Intel or Math Olympiads.

Good luck.

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