Cambridge or Imperial for Engineering

Master, I didn't mean to offend anyone when I responded to the OP's question, but I have to give an honest-to-goodness answer. Of course, you would root for Imperial; even defend it to death, as you're British. But have you gone to study in that US? If you have, you would clearly see that the UK schools have really left behind in terms of academic quality, scholarly research and quality research output. Maybe that's due in part to having better funding that the American schools can attract the best faculty and students from around the world.

If you're an Indian geek hoping to study postgrad in abroad, for example, and has offers from both Princeton and Imperial, would you really take Imperial over Princeton? I honestly doubt if you would.

Imperial is a great school/uni. But compared to the best ones in the US, it's a no-match to them. In the UK, only Cambridge and Oxford have the prestige and resources to compete with the best schools in the US, on all levels -- undergrad, grad and postgrad. Imperial is a no-name institution in the US. It can hardly attract talented students to go there, unlike Oxford and Cambridge that can due to their powerful names in global academia.

Again, in terms of academic prestige and global recognition: Cambridge >>> Imperial. It's not even close.

Opinionated crap.

Master, I didn't mean to offend anyone when I responded to the OP's question, but I have to give an honest-to-goodness answer. Of course, you would root for Imperial; even defend it to death, as you're British. But have you gone to study in that US? If you have, you would clearly see that the UK schools have really left behind in terms of academic quality, scholarly research and quality research output. Maybe that's due in part to having better funding that the American schools can attract the best faculty and students from around the world.

If you're an Indian geek hoping to study postgrad in abroad, for example, and has offers from both Princeton and Imperial, would you really take Imperial over Princeton? I honestly doubt if you would.

Imperial is a great school/uni. But compared to the best ones in the US, it's a no-match to them. In the UK, only Cambridge and Oxford have the prestige and resources to compete with the best schools in the US, on all levels -- undergrad, grad and postgrad. Imperial is a no-name institution in the US. It can hardly attract talented students to go there, unlike Oxford and Cambridge that can due to their powerful names in global academia.

Again, in terms of academic prestige and global recognition: Cambridge >>> Imperial. It's not even close.

Imperial is a great school/uni. But compared to the best ones in the US, it's a no-match to them. In the UK, only Cambridge and Oxford have the prestige and resources to compete with the best schools in the US, on all levels -- undergrad, grad and postgrad. Imperial is a no-name institution in the US. It can hardly attract talented students to go there, unlike Oxford and Cambridge that can due to their powerful names in global academia.

Again, in terms of academic prestige and global recognition: Cambridge >>> Imperial. It's not even close.

Well, a person who does not have an opinion is dumb!

Well, a person who does not have an opinion is dumb!

there are a lot of schools in the United States that are better than Imperial for engineering -- MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, Caltech, CMU, Cornell, Georgia Tech, UMich, UIUC, UT-Austin, UCLA, USC, Harvey Mudd, Purdue and Princeton to name a few.

But this is not about Imperial at all! You go around commenting on the prestige of a university and you have no experience of the university yourself whatsoever, you said so yourself you got rejected from Oxford yet you still claim that 'Oxbridge' is better than 'University-X'. Please just don't comment since you have no authority to comment upon something which you have got no experience of.

Yes I am student of Imperial and I most certainly know its flaws.

I am going to study aeronautical engineering and I know that the only comparable engineering education you can get in the UK is the one in Cambridge. I know that the only one which is comparable in America is MIT, why? Because our department have set up an exchange programme with them and asked why we cannot go elsewhere because only MIT was comparable in scope and difficulty.

You however just go around and spout random statements here and there and you always get pounded by the postgrads on TSR, the ones the arguably know the most about HE, yet you never back down even though it is so blatantly obvious that you are wrong.

And do you think anything beyond HYPSM holds any clout in the UK? Think again.

See my previous posts, I don't give a damn about whether you think Cambridge > Imperial or the other way around.

You are the most opinionated/biased non-scholarly based user on this forum. You are not an engineering so why are you commenting here?

You even went around a while back posting stuff about which university was best for maths and when I gave you the link to that a point-by-point paper researching which institution is best you STILL continued to post your crap.

Excuse me; I'm still applying to Oxford. No results have been released yet.

I've been to Imperial and have toured the campus, twice. I've also talked to some of the faculty. They've been very impressed with my Stanford undergrad degree; I wasn’t impressed with the school. Have you been to those US schools that I've mentioned in my previous posts? I'm pretty sure your Imperial undergrad degree would not be taken there very seriously. Why? Because it's not considered a prestigious school; not because it's academic standard is lousy. Remember that I was commenting about the academic prestige, not the academic quality per se, because I cannot judge or assess any school's academic quality when I haven't gone there.

Let me be frank with you. The top 10 schools for engineering in the US are better than Imperial. Again, Imperial is only popular and well respected in the UK and in some parts of Europe. But it is a no name school in the US and in many parts of the world. It's quite obvious that you're so obsessed with Imperial that you cannot think objectively.

That's your opinion. The poster in that thread was arguing with me that York is better than Oxford. I was shocked how dim-witted her statement was, to be honest with you. But I had to stop posting back as it was a waste of time arguing with her. Of course, she will defend York as it is her uni. If that's what makes her sleep at night... But if I have to agree with both of you -- then let's all stop aiming for Oxford and Cambridge and let's all strive harder to get into Imperial and York.

Between Harvard/Stanford/MIT/Berkeley vs Oxford/Cambridge, the US schools would win.

Between Princeton/Yale vs Oxbridge, I would prefer Oxbridge.

Now, I hope you can sleep at night too.:laughing::laughing::laughing:

Yes. Caltech, Berkeley, Cornell, CMU, GeorgiaTech to name a few are not HYPSM but are well respected in the UK.

However, it's not right to say that, because a certain institution is not popular and respected in the UK then it is not respected and popular aound the world. What is the UK compared to North America? Don't mean to insult there, but, come on, let's be realistic.

Does Cambridge has to be bothered because a certain guy does not think it's better than Imperial? :laughing:
Cambridge couldn't care less what you think! Cambridge is Cambridge. Imperial is just an up and coming school in the global academic arena. Stop kidding yourself. Cambridge >>> Imperial, period. It doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter which school you are supporting. What matters is what the world think is better between Cambridge and Imperial. That's what matters in this discussion. Pls read the thread's title/question because, like the woman in the postgrad thread, you're swaying away from it.

And you the most ridiculous guy on the planet. Just because I don't major engineering I cannot comment about school reputation???

What about doing it this way?

Tier 1

Oxford
Cambridge



Tier 2A
LSE
Durham
Warwick
Bristol
UCL

Group 2B
Nottingham
Manchester
King's



Tier 3

Birmingham
Sheffield
Leeds




Tier 4

Hull
Newcastle
SOAS
Sussex
Cardiff
Essex
QM
UEA
Southampton
Leicester
Liverpool

Looking back at what happened then, I provided the UK schools that are respected for maths outside of the UK. You provided the link to a survey which tells which school are tops for Maths in the UK. Again, it was clear that I was talking about reputation OUTSIDE of the UK -- or how the rest of the world views UK schools. Of course, I'm not the authority and so are you.

That's your opinion. The poster in that thread was arguing with me that York is better than Oxford. I was shocked how dim-witted her statement was, to be honest with you. But I had to stop posting back as it was a waste of time arguing with her. Of course, she will defend York as it is her uni. If that's what makes her sleep at night... But if I have to agree with both of you -- then let's all stop aiming for Oxford and Cambridge and let's all strive harder to get into Imperial and York.

Master Polhem,


BLAH BLAH BLAH ...

Okay, let's all stop aiming for Oxbridge and let's all aim for Imperial because according to Master Polhem, Imperial is more prestigious than both Oxford and Cambridge are. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:


Now, you can sleep well at night Master Polhem. Sweet dreams! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

And that was true since this was for POSTGRADUATE your prestigious crap bares even less relevance here! She did her masters at Oxford for heavens sake. I am even going to quote what you said (and don't dare for one minute to take this debate of course, it remains an issue about you knowing nothing about UK HE but are not following the normal passive-bystander approach which a normal non-knowledgeable human being would take, but is actively participating much to every ones despair.)

Thanks for this MP. You're fighting a good fight but I think it's ultimately useless with someone like him, I suppose.

I'll say this much: it seems to me that the most ignorant, prestige-obsessed nonsense-spinners on TSR are also always the most trollish in their behaviour, with poor writing skills and no idea how to debate successfully or intelligently. It strikes me that none of them would actually be bright enough to go to the universities they so vehemently defend, and that they must have some kind of chip on their shoulder / insecurity about where they actually have ended up, which pushes them into this fantasy of going to an elite university which they then play out on the internet. I see this all the time on TSR. I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't so bloody belligerent and rude. It happens when an ego grows too large for its circumstances and the Id starts trying to frantically compensate by driving itself into a fantasy world to try to block out feelings of inferiority caused by caring a little bit too much about where they 'rank' in the universal scheme of things.

Excuse me; I'm still applying to Oxford. No results have been released yet.




I've been to Imperial and have toured the campus, twice. I've also talked to some of the faculty. They've been very impressed with my Stanford undergrad degree; I wasn’t impressed with the school. Have you been to those US schools that I've mentioned in my previous posts? I'm pretty sure your Imperial undergrad degree would not be taken there very seriously. Why? Because it's not considered a prestigious school; not because it's academic standard is lousy. Remember that I was commenting about the academic prestige, not the academic quality per se, because I cannot judge or assess any school's academic quality when I haven't gone there.

Ha, that's certainly not what you said at the time. We beat you down, and you actually conceded that I might be right. You were also making cringeworthy attempts to be polite whilst effectively spamming a serious thread with bilge.

I wasn't even arguing that York was better than Oxford anyway; I was arguing that for my PhD, York outclasses Oxford significantly, because the people supervising me there have world-class reputations which is ultra-important at postgrad level and matters far more than undergrad-focused generic brand names ever could - which is why I left Oxford to go there. Why would I defend York 'just because it's my uni' when I'm also an alumnus of Oxford and have connections there too?

You admitted frequently on that thread that you 'weren't reading the posts' before replying with your irrelevant nonsense, which explains why you have such a confused idea of what actually happened in that thread. The only thing you cited which you thought seemed to 'prove' that Oxford was 'better' for PhD students than York was that 'the general public have heard of Oxford' - LMFAO, as if that makes the slightest bit of difference when I'm interviewing for a job at a US university, clutching the reference from my supervisor, which any student in the US or UK would be envious of because his name is gold both in the States and here. Ha.

Thanks for this MP. You're fighting a good fight but I think it's ultimately useless with someone like him, I suppose.

I'll say this much: it seems to me that the most ignorant, prestige-obsessed nonsense-spinners on TSR are also always the most trollish in their behaviour, with poor writing skills and no idea how to debate successfully or intelligently. It strikes me that none of them would actually be bright enough to go to the universities they so vehemently defend, and that they must have some kind of chip on their shoulder / insecurity about where they actually have ended up, which pushes them into this fantasy of going to an elite university which they then play out on the internet. I see this all the time on TSR. I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't so bloody belligerent and rude. It happens when an ego grows too large for its circumstances and the Id starts trying to frantically compensate by driving itself into a fantasy world to try to block out feelings of inferiority caused by caring a little bit too much about where they 'rank' in the universal scheme of things.