Why do people constantly hate people with degrees ?
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I wouldn't say this kind of attitude is widespread. The title of the thread is kinda misleading.
BUT there are some crap people with crap attitude who dump on others for choosing to do/ choosing not to do a degree.
At the end of the day you just get on with it and do what you want in life because if you have time to **** off the life choices of others then you should re-evaluate your own.
BUT there are some crap people with crap attitude who dump on others for choosing to do/ choosing not to do a degree.
At the end of the day you just get on with it and do what you want in life because if you have time to **** off the life choices of others then you should re-evaluate your own.
Most people I know who didn’t go to university are actually now successful than people who went to university. (I’m 23 btw so have seen A LOT of people got to university)
Original post by Thisismyunitsr
Most people I know who didn’t go to university are actually now successful than people who went to university. (I’m 23 btw so have seen A LOT of people got to university)
Yes, but at university, you spend a few years learning a skill, and although you don't make money off of it straight away, the skill in 10 years time will leverage a lot more than if you just did a manual labour trade. Yes it takes years to build websites people will buy meanwhile a labourer sees their results prosper the first week on the job, but when you get there, you can make £30,000 for a website which is what a manual labourer earns in a year.
Original post by Shahleena
Degrees mean nothing unless you are training to become a surgeon or something specific like that. Kiera Knightley does not have a degree, yet she lives in a massive house which she owns while degree holders are renting a small flat with other people
Becoming Kiera Knightley is not a valid career path for 99.99% of humanity. However being a doctor, lawyer, engineer, architect, research scientist etc is and a degree is the most obvious (and rather more reliable than the "child actor" route) way of getting there.
Original post by Shahleena
People who didnt go to uni and are millionaires- Zayn Malik, Liam Payne, Cheryl Cole and countless others.
Unis are a scam which are designed to make the owners of uni rich and to leave you broke!
Unis are a scam which are designed to make the owners of uni rich and to leave you broke!
Yes and there's also people who didn't go to uni and are broke. I really don't get your point.
Original post by Shahleena
Degrees mean nothing unless you are training to become a surgeon or something specific like that. Kiera Knightley does not have a degree, yet she lives in a massive house which she owns while degree holders are renting a small flat with other people
your example is just survivorship bias
they resent those with better prospects than themselves. middle class and above don't realise it but a lot of people in this country actively hate those who try to better themselves and escape from "traditional" - often low skilled or manual - employment
these people are also idiots who think that everyone can found their own company and see real success. the data shows that this is not the norm. running one's company is very stressful and probably not worth it for many if you compare returns £ per hour of work
also the thing in the OP actually used to be true when degrees were scarcer say in the 1980s
these people are also idiots who think that everyone can found their own company and see real success. the data shows that this is not the norm. running one's company is very stressful and probably not worth it for many if you compare returns £ per hour of work
also the thing in the OP actually used to be true when degrees were scarcer say in the 1980s
Original post by seals2001
Yes, but at university, you spend a few years learning a skill, and although you don't make money off of it straight away, the skill in 10 years time will leverage a lot more than if you just did a manual labour trade. Yes it takes years to build websites people will buy meanwhile a labourer sees their results prosper the first week on the job, but when you get there, you can make £30,000 for a website which is what a manual labourer earns in a year.
You’re probably like 16 which means you have no life experience which makes your argument invalid.
Most people do not make £30k for one website.
According to Google you make about £26k A YEAR approximately 4 years after you first start as a graduate, which is probably significantly less than most labourers.
Also you’re not taking into account that loads of people get ****ty jobs after university (working at Tesco etc). I’d say that about a third of people who went to university at 18 from my school are STILL (three years later) working in low skilled jobs. I don’t know anyone whose done an apprenticeship whose doing low skilled work.
Original post by seals2001
Constantly people go on about how "they didn't go to university but the people who work for them did" etc . like they have a sour chip on their shoulders and are trying to prove something..
Is it because they couldn't compete on the playing field where success could be quantitatively measured and are trying to make up for it now ?
Is it because they couldn't compete on the playing field where success could be quantitatively measured and are trying to make up for it now ?
I think it's because far too many people go to university when they don't need to?
Original post by Shahleena
People who didnt go to uni and are millionaires- Zayn Malik, Liam Payne, Cheryl Cole and countless others.
Unis are a scam which are designed to make the owners of uni rich and to leave you broke!
Unis are a scam which are designed to make the owners of uni rich and to leave you broke!
So you are saying that University Degrees are a scam?!
Therefore the good doctor who has to get a degree and practise during and after his degree so you will be able to see him in your local GP Practise, has he/she been conned? What about the heart surgeon? Has he/she been conned too?
What about the Mathematics or English Teacher who tries to educate young people in School. Have they been conned too? They have to spend some years getting their degrees and then do some teacher training both in Universities and Schools
What about the several biomedical scientists and molecular biologists and chemists that have currently came up, with the help of the technology provided to them by other scientists, with a Covid19 vaccine!!!
All these people had to go to University and get good training for a number of years.
The argument with Cheryl Cole is beyond me and beyond any reasonable argument anyone can make. Do you measure 'success' with money?? Or do you think that all those who are teaching, lecturing, taking care of patients, work towards vaccination programmes, do it for the money?
(edited 3 years ago)
Original post by Shahleena
of course i did say in my earlier post that a degree is needed for specialist fields such as medicine and being a lawyer but otherwise a degree is a waste of time designed to make uni owners richer!
What about the scientists and the companies that produce microscopes?!
What about the engineers and those who work in Aviation?!
What about those who work in NASA?! Astrophysicists, Engineers, Computer Scientists, Astrobiologists, etc...
I can give you a number of degrees and professions where the degree is valuable and it doesn't come erroneously to the simplistic argument that apart from law and medicine other qualifications in other fields are scams.
Don't forget it's very much a two way street.
Ive lost count, during and after the Brexit vote of how many snide comments both online and irl I've heard saying pro Brexit people didn't even have a degree so what could you expect from them.
Likewise Biden supporters saying similar things about Trump supporters.
Ive lost count, during and after the Brexit vote of how many snide comments both online and irl I've heard saying pro Brexit people didn't even have a degree so what could you expect from them.
Likewise Biden supporters saying similar things about Trump supporters.
people who say that arent hating on ppl with degrees, they are hating on ppl who hate on ppl for not having degrees
Original post by Thisismyunitsr
You’re probably like 16 which means you have no life experience which makes your argument invalid.
Most people do not make £30k for one website.
According to Google you make about £26k A YEAR approximately 4 years after you first start as a graduate, which is probably significantly less than most labourers.
Also you’re not taking into account that loads of people get ****ty jobs after university (working at Tesco etc). I’d say that about a third of people who went to university at 18 from my school are STILL (three years later) working in low skilled jobs. I don’t know anyone whose done an apprenticeship whose doing low skilled work.
Most people do not make £30k for one website.
According to Google you make about £26k A YEAR approximately 4 years after you first start as a graduate, which is probably significantly less than most labourers.
Also you’re not taking into account that loads of people get ****ty jobs after university (working at Tesco etc). I’d say that about a third of people who went to university at 18 from my school are STILL (three years later) working in low skilled jobs. I don’t know anyone whose done an apprenticeship whose doing low skilled work.
Ok , maybe not £30 K a website unless it is for a very big company, more like £5K , which is what a manual labour may earn in about 2 month unless the labourer owns their own business. Compared to someone with a successful business in STEM, the labourer running their own business would make a lot less . Also, you have to remember that this average is dragged down by liberal art degrees which people get just for the joy of studying it .
Moreover, labourers also have to do gruelling work that leaves them exhausted every single day, on their knees, with calloused hands.I would know, my dad used to be one and would work 11 hour days even on weekends. If you use money as the only parameter , then labourers earn more than the bottom third of degree holders, but definitely not more than the top 1/3 rd which are your doctors, accountants , computer scientists etc.
Also, you can't compare the top labourers to bottom degree holders, just as you can't compare a bottom labourer to a top degree holder.
Original post by londonmyst
Many people just have personalities that are prone to envy, spite or snobbery/inverse snobbery.
There are also some people who do not value education, are deeply hostile to intellectualism and have utter contempt for the intelligentsia.
Plenty of people with genuine concerns at the promotion of unis instead of apprenticeships, the social emphasis upon undergrad qualifications being perceived as the best option for almost every student within the UK and the consequences of the current unsustainable student loans system.
There are also some people who do not value education, are deeply hostile to intellectualism and have utter contempt for the intelligentsia.
Plenty of people with genuine concerns at the promotion of unis instead of apprenticeships, the social emphasis upon undergrad qualifications being perceived as the best option for almost every student within the UK and the consequences of the current unsustainable student loans system.
excellent point. you've put it more eloquently than i ever could
(edited 3 years ago)
Original post by seals2001
Ok , maybe not £30 K a website unless it is for a very big company, more like £5K , which is what a manual labour may earn in about 2 month unless the labourer owns their own business. Compared to someone with a successful business in STEM, the labourer running their own business would make a lot less . Also, you have to remember that this average is dragged down by liberal art degrees which people get just for the joy of studying it .
Moreover, labourers also have to do gruelling work that leaves them exhausted every single day, on their knees, with calloused hands.I would know, my dad used to be one and would work 11 hour days even on weekends. If you use money as the only parameter , then labourers earn more than the bottom third of degree holders, but definitely not more than the top 1/3 rd which are your doctors, accountants , computer scientists etc.
Also, you can't compare the top labourers to bottom degree holders, just as you can't compare a bottom labourer to a top degree holder.
Moreover, labourers also have to do gruelling work that leaves them exhausted every single day, on their knees, with calloused hands.I would know, my dad used to be one and would work 11 hour days even on weekends. If you use money as the only parameter , then labourers earn more than the bottom third of degree holders, but definitely not more than the top 1/3 rd which are your doctors, accountants , computer scientists etc.
Also, you can't compare the top labourers to bottom degree holders, just as you can't compare a bottom labourer to a top degree holder.
To be honest unless your degree is a requirement for a job, I wouldn’t go.
Original post by baby.bear
people can be successful whether they went to university or not. i don’t think anyone should judge someone else on whether they hold a degree or not.
university isn’t for everyone but is definitely the right thing for others.
we are all different and are bound to go through life differently. you can be proud of yourself without bringing someone else down, and i feel like people forget that sometimes!
university isn’t for everyone but is definitely the right thing for others.
we are all different and are bound to go through life differently. you can be proud of yourself without bringing someone else down, and i feel like people forget that sometimes!
Exactly
Original post by Shahleena
People who didnt go to uni and are millionaires- Zayn Malik, Liam Payne, Cheryl Cole and countless others.
Unis are a scam which are designed to make the owners of uni rich and to leave you broke!
Unis are a scam which are designed to make the owners of uni rich and to leave you broke!
Let me ask you , are they born rich ? , did they work to get where they are ? yeah some people don,t go to uni but if they are born in fame and luxury , there is no need
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