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ebam_uk
Well the fact we cover mechanical, structures, electrical, in 1st year, means that unlike the Imperial undergrad, who would have just done mechanical we have covered a bigger range.

Technically I may be accredited by all IMECH, ICE, IStruct, IET etc. but the actual work covered could possibly be less than someone who has just done mechanical, structures, or electrical etc.


You can't be accredited to all those. You will have to choose which one and take the appropriate later year options in order to fulfil its requrements.
Reply 21

A source isn't needed. Its just the way it is. Imperial whoops Cambridge's ass when it comes to engineering :p:
I wouldn't look at just the top uni league tables. Cambridge is good for general engineering, but when it comes to specialising it just isn't on the same level as Imperial.

Sorry if this has already been debated/mentioned I haven't really looked through the rest of the thread.
Reply 22
Good bloke
You can't be accredited to all those. You will have to choose which one and take the appropriate later year options in order to fulfil its requrements.



Yes you can! Any route is accredited lol at least from my year of entry!
ebam_uk
Yes you can! Any route is accredited lol at least from my year of entry!


Any, yes. But I'm sure you'll find, if you investigate, that you can only gain accreditation to only one engineering institution. If you look here (http://www.cam.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/courses/engineering/index.html ), you'll see it says:

The course is accredited by all the major institutions including the Institutions of Mechanical Engineers (IMechE), Engineering and Technology (IET), Civil Engineers (ICE), and Structural Engineers (IStructE), the Institute of Measurement and Control, the Institute of Physics and Engineering in Medicine, and the Royal Aeronautical Society. An appropriate combination of Part II papers is required in each case.


and

Specialisation begins in earnest in the third year (Part IIA). You choose a combination of ten papers from an extensive portfolio from which a core will be associated with one of the following areas of engineering:

Aerospace and Aerothermal Engineering
Civil, Structural and Environmental Engineering
Electrical and Electronic Engineering
Electrical and Information Sciences
Energy and the Environment
Engineering for the Life Sciences
Information and Computer Engineering
Instrumentation and Control
Mechanical Engineering
I was in a similar situation last year and reapplied :smile:
Lucy Pevensie
So my classmate got an offer for Mechanical engineering @ Imperial for this year but got rejected for Engineering at Cambridge. Now she is a perfectionist like me and is seriously considering to decline the imperial offer and to reapply to cambridge next year for engineering, for reasons such as honour, prestige, family tradition, job/earning prospects, the "cambridge experience", lower living costs, more diversified student body etc. What do you think she should do? Will the extra investment in cost/time and risk for declining the Imperial offer and reapplying to cambridge next year yield extra benefits for her career and personal development it in the long run?


Honour?
Prestige?
Family Tradition??

Those seem like pretty dodgy reasons!!

"The Cambridge Experience" seems rather overrated to be honest - after staying in college accommodation for a month or two, this "Cambridge Experience" seems to involve complaining about the lack of facilities (shared living areas, ovens), trying to figure out ridiculous housing ballots, and being unduly stressed due to 8 week terms.

As for job prospects, I really think the difference is negligible.

Though maybe I'm biased, as someone who has accepted MechEng at Imperial this year and been turned down by Cambridge :p:
Good bloke
Any, yes. But I'm sure you'll find, if you investigate, that you can only gain accreditation to only one engineering institution. If you look here (http://www.cam.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/courses/engineering/index.html ), you'll see it says...

Actually, no.

If you look here, where it's detailed fully, you'll see that the course is accredited for all of the major ones (IMechE, ICE, IStructE, IET, RAeS) no matter what combination of options we choose, as long as we choose at least two management / business options in our third and fourth years which everyone does anyway.

I don't know where you got the idea you can be accredited for only one, many civil/structural courses at other universities carry accreditation for both ICE and IStructE because they are so similar.

Personally I would accept the Imperial offer. She needs to ask herself:
- Does she actually have something productive to do in the year out she'd have to take?
- Is she going to properly take advantage of Cambridge's broader start or is she completely set on Mechanical? You get a fair few people quietly whinging in the first couple of years "but I only wanted to do electrical!"
- Will she have anything extra to support her application next year (besides actual A-levels) that she doesn't now?
thefish_uk
Actually, no.

If you look here, where it's detailed fully, you'll see that the course is accredited for all of the major ones (IMechE, ICE, IStructE, IET, RAeS) no matter what combination of options we choose, as long as we choose at least two management / business options in our third and fourth years which everyone does anyway.



I suggest you read a bit further. This document (http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/teaching/teachoff/3&4year_options.pdf) makes it clear that qualification for one institution is the norm (though it is possible to gain accreditation for more than one, presumably if they overlap sufficiently well) and certainly not all (unless you don't want to sleep for two years).

The rows on the table you linked to are additive, and to understand their meaning should actually be read in the negative - if you haven't taken two management/business options you can't be qualified for any area (which is why everyone takes them, of course).
Good bloke
I suggest you read a bit further. This document (http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/teaching/teachoff/3&4year_options.pdf) makes it clear that qualification for one institution is the norm (though it is possible to gain accreditation for more than one, presumably if they overlap sufficiently well) and certainly not all (unless you don't want to sleep for two years).

The rows on the table you linked to are additive, and to understand their meaning should actually be read in the negative - if you haven't taken two management/business options you can't be qualified for any area (which is why everyone takes them, of course).

OK I think we've misinterpreted each other slightly... yes you only specialise in one area, but it's still possible to choose a perfectly ordinary set of modules that is accredited by all the institutions listed (you would have to choose the Life Sciences engineering area but choose a couple of modules from Instrumentation and Control along the way).

This is all a little irrelevant anyway as you are only going to be interested in joining the institution(s) corresponding to the area you go for!
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Lucy Pevensie
So my classmate got an offer for Mechanical engineering @ Imperial for this year but got rejected for Engineering at Cambridge. Now she is a perfectionist like me and is seriously considering to decline the imperial offer and to reapply to cambridge next year for engineering, for reasons such as honour, prestige, family tradition, job/earning prospects, the "cambridge experience", lower living costs, more diversified student body etc. What do you think she should do? Will the extra investment in cost/time and risk for declining the Imperial offer and reapplying to cambridge next year yield extra benefits for her career and personal development it in the long run?


Not if she gets rejected... :biggrin:
Reply 30
Accept the imperial offer, those reasons are pretty dodgy at best (honour!?). If she re-applies next year they could both reject her again. Career wise it will make no difference.
This I say as an Imperialist myself; how the **** did some people here get offers I will never know. Suffice to say if she got an offer this year she will get one next year - they are not very picky you see, the more tuition fees you can contribute with the happier they will be. Hence the very large number of internationals they pay £20,000+ whilst we only pay £3,000. They do a ridiculous amount of research here which takes it toll on the students but justifies their expenses (and selection process). Imperial has in my opinion ceased to be an educational establishment and is changing more and more into Imperial plc. - make as much money as possible (they are even selling "Imperial certificates" to companies now...)

Reapply, Cambridge is proper university not a plc.
Minerva
AFAIK Cambridge won't accept transfers into year 2 of undergrad studies - Oxford certainly doesn't.


Actually it does, has done on several occasions, just has to be justified and backed up by yours tutors here at Imperial or at Cambridge and Oxford, should you wanna come to London. Specific reasons etcetera.
Good bloke
Hardly more specialised, since at Cambridge you can get the same IMechE-accredited qualification at the end if that is the disciple you choose. Cambridge makes a point of saying that its course is not general engineering and that all students emerge with a specialist qualification and similar knowledge as those from specialist courses. The same applies at Oxford and Warwick.


This is true but we (at Imperial) still do the same amounts of hours in our specialised subject. The thing which people fail to realise the basics of engineering are pretty uniform for all engineering courses. I only have an additional two courses that "specialises" my degree from an EEE degree on top of my other courses which are pretty much the same, but in name, as all the others.

But then of course someone will throw a multitude of courses they do that we do not do. Fair enough, here is what we do differently to oxcamwar: We do maths as applied to our field, mechanics specialised for our field, structural analysis which is specialised to our field etcetera. Everything is highly skewed towards our speciality and parallels, concepts, theories, formulas you-name-it are woven into the backbone of the course.
Reply 34
Lucy Pevensie
So my classmate got an offer for Mechanical engineering @ Imperial for this year but got rejected for Engineering at Cambridge. Now she is a perfectionist like me and is seriously considering to decline the imperial offer and to reapply to cambridge next year for engineering, for reasons such as honour, prestige, family tradition, job/earning prospects, the "cambridge experience", lower living costs, more diversified student body etc. What do you think she should do? Will the extra investment in cost/time and risk for declining the Imperial offer and reapplying to cambridge next year yield extra benefits for her career and personal development it in the long run?

what did she do at the end?

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