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To all who say that America has a lower standard of living than Europe (or vice versa):

How do you measure the standard of living? (and please dont say HDI), sheer real gdp per capita? $/hr worked? what is your measure? and if you take into account multiple variables (crime, education, poverty, etc), will all of them have the same weight? (not to mention that things like education aren't really quantifiable)
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Reply 21
Original post by janco
I've only lived in Europe for a year due to my mother's stupid job, but on a recent trip to Monaco, I noticed how desperate people were to display their 'wealth'. All of the women were wearing fur coats, and the men thought they were all it because they wore Rolex watches. I was in the mood for a burger and bought one from a street vendor, and he proceeded to get a plate with a knife and fork and serve it under a sun-umbrella. I was enjoying it until I saw the bill and it was 15 euros for the burger and a bit of salad. It just struck me as so pretensious and ostentatious. To me, as an American, I've always been used to being surrounded by wealth but not having to brag about it like Europeans do. I suppose this is the reason that Monte Carlans were desperate to show off; to kid themselves that they have life as we do in the States. Do you agree?


Lulz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

Being pushed off your pedestal biatch?
Reply 22
Original post by Derezzed


No. It still puts my country well-ahead of yours. 2 trillion? Pfft.
Reply 23
Original post by janco
No. It still puts my country well-ahead of yours. 2 trillion? Pfft.


Haha i love how Americans refuse to accept that they aren't the best country in the world - this is a product of the anti-foreigner propaganda that they in their 'democracy' are fed
Original post by Bourgeois
To all who say that America has a lower standard of living than Europe (or vice versa):

How do you measure the standard of living? (and please dont say HDI), sheer real gdp per capita? $/hr worked? what is your measure? and if you take into account multiple variables (crime, education, poverty, etc), will all of them have the same weight? (not to mention that things like education aren't really quantifiable)


Access to health care (and not only basic health care), access to education, life "security" (unemployment benefit, benefit for disabled, illness benefit etc.), pollution, median income (taking into account what American have to pay which is provided by government in Europe), access to culture, minimum wage etc... Life seems to be way easier in western Europe.
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Original post by janco
I've only lived in Europe for a year due to my mother's stupid job, but on a recent trip to Monaco, I noticed how desperate people were to display their 'wealth'. All of the women were wearing fur coats, and the men thought they were all it because they wore Rolex watches. I was in the mood for a burger and bought one from a street vendor, and he proceeded to get a plate with a knife and fork and serve it under a sun-umbrella. I was enjoying it until I saw the bill and it was 15 euros for the burger and a bit of salad. It just struck me as so pretensious and ostentatious. To me, as an American, I've always been used to being surrounded by wealth but not having to brag about it like Europeans do. I suppose this is the reason that Monte Carlans were desperate to show off; to kid themselves that they have life as we do in the States. Do you agree?


No, but you're jealous of European culture.

Between NYC and L.A there's a place called the 'United States of America' where most of you are living in wooden houses, driving cheap plastic cars, speaking broken English and part of a terrible education and healthcare system.

In God you trust, OK...
Reply 26
I hate to break this to you America, but the rest of the world ****ing hates you.
Reply 27
Original post by LysFromParis
Access to health care (and not only basic health care), access to education, life "security" (unemployment benefit, benefit for disabled, illness benefit etc.), pollution, median income (taking into account what American have to pay which is provided by government in Europe), access to culture, minimum wage etc... Life seems to be way easier in western Europe.


Exactly. Americans' pathetic fear of taxes on people on higher incomes and fear of government help means that they can't get the things which we take for granted in Europe, maybe we should start a charity to help them...
Reply 28
I'm jealous of only two things America has:

Its proximity to Canada, and therefore British Columbia. :dry:

Some of their own amazing riding spots. :yep:

Other then that; no, couldn't care less! :biggrin: Look to sig for better phrase. :yep:
Original post by manchild007
Speak to an ordinary American and they won't think of Europe as some socialist hell-hole


Most Americans seem to think they live in a socialist hell-hole in the USA.
Are Americans jealous that they have no culture or heritage compared to Europe.
Are Americans jealous that they have no social medicine compared to Europe.
Reply 31
Original post by janco
No. It still puts my country well-ahead of yours. 2 trillion? Pfft.


See European Union baby, this thread is about Europe not Britain.

The EU makes America look like a third world country. :teehee:
The pinacle of American culture is spray-on plastic cheese. Come over to Europe and have some real cheese - and not in a burger this time.
Original post by MagicNMedicine
Most Americans seem to think they live in a socialist hell-hole in the USA.


Oh please, stop with this idiocy :rolleyes:

This level of ignorance in the belief that most Americans think that universal healthcare is equivalent to Stalin esque socialism for example, is utter nonsense. The vast majority of people see healthcare for what it is - useful. Its just the right (who complain about Socialism) and the left (who complain about a lack of a public option), take the headlines. Most Americans are centrist in their political beliefs and healthcare is no different.

Next you'll be citing that half the country think Obama as Muslim (Christ, have you seen how flawed the poll conducted was, choosing 2,000 people all from Southern/hard Republican states), and that most Americans take and believe what Fox says - despite scientific studies proving otherwise.
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Original post by Muscovite
Exactly. Americans' pathetic fear of taxes on people on higher incomes and fear of government help means that they can't get the things which we take for granted in Europe, maybe we should start a charity to help them...


But the American government still has a furious desire to spend taxpayers money as fast as it can. Hence them having a nasty fiscal deficit.
No. America has been equally if not more notorious for vulgar displays of wealth, and you were in Monaco ffs, just about the capital for such things. American wealth, as you put it, isn't as plentiful as Americans believe it is, read Vernon Coleman on it. Smoke and mirrors, temporary money, unsustainable profitability etc, not to mention the other social problems crime and rates of inequality(which correlate). America is already declining to some degree.
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Reply 36
Original post by MagicNMedicine
But the American government still has a furious desire to spend taxpayers money as fast as it can. Hence them having a nasty fiscal deficit.


Well they have a large structural deficit because the Bush administration, which the Americans in all their thuggish right wing wisdom chose to elect, put up defence spending to stupid levels to try and protect their position as the king maker in middle eastern countries which should choose their own destiny. Add to that the fact that public healthcare would probably be cheaper than the current US system of bribing insurance companies and you get the fiscal shortfall of which you speak.
What wealth does America have?
Wealth in the USA is totally inconsistent. States such as Florida and New York are arguably comparable with Western European living standards, but ones like Maryland are ****holes!

Nevertheless, as reasonable human beings we ought not to be selfish of wealth, no matter how poor we may be.
Original post by janco
I've only lived in Europe for a year due to my mother's stupid job, but on a recent trip to Monaco, I noticed how desperate people were to display their 'wealth'. All of the women were wearing fur coats, and the men thought they were all it because they wore Rolex watches. I was in the mood for a burger and bought one from a street vendor, and he proceeded to get a plate with a knife and fork and serve it under a sun-umbrella. I was enjoying it until I saw the bill and it was 15 euros for the burger and a bit of salad. It just struck me as so pretensious and ostentatious. To me, as an American, I've always been used to being surrounded by wealth but not having to brag about it like Europeans do. I suppose this is the reason that Monte Carlans were desperate to show off; to kid themselves that they have life as we do in the States. Do you agree?


Haha if i was to make the same judgement of you i'd say all americans are self centred ass holes that live in Mcdonalds and think way too highly of their country when in reality no one really cares. :biggrin: nah you must be a troll

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