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Reply 340
Scaffold
Why should I explain why people convert to Islam ? Islam is more than just science. It`s a religion with complete lifestyle and culture.


I don't get you: did u not previously say that Islam is backward? :confused:
Reply 341
Scaffold
Your right. They get 7000 lashes. How civilised.



If you sister, mother, wife or any other woman close to you would have been raped, what punishment would you give to the rapist?
Reply 342
itzme
If you sister, mother, wife or any other woman close to you would have been raped, what punishment would you give to the rapist?


What has that got do with being gay?
Reply 343
Scaffold
What has that got do with being gay?



ppl do NOT get 7000 lashes for being gay. They would die before the 100th lash.
Tbh, there is no evidence whatsoever that all gays in Islamic countries are given lashes. I do not approve of homosexuality but giving lashes to homosexuals will not stop the practice, it will just make them practice this in secret.
itzme
I think the man in Afghanistan deserves a harsh treatment. That will teach a lesson to all those Christian missionaries who come to our countries to convert people! I did not come to Britain with the purpose of turning British people into Muslims. When you come to a country, you should respect the values and beliefs of people, not try to change them! It's the same scenario in international politics. What the West does is right, so all other countries should follow a Western model (i.e. any country which does not adopt Western-style democracy is not a good country).

Christian missionaries don't go to other countries and just go around converting people. They set up missions with the primary goal of helping people, and people happen to see how nice they are and how appealing Christianity can be, and they convert by their own will.

And wow. The man deserves harsh treatment? "Let's kill this guy so that Christians will stop coming!"

Great. Your beliefs aren't backwards at all! I see how highly you value human life.


How do you know there is very little freedom of religion in Islamic countries? Have you visited all of them? Have you experienced persecution, imprisonment because of your faith? Do you use the media as your main source of information?

Uh, yes, the media is my main source of information. What is yours? Personal experience?

But let's see. You go to Saudi Arabia, and your Bible will be confiscated.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006712

And then there's you, Mr. "I think we should execute Muslims who convert to other religions." You're making a great case all by yourself for how open Islamic countries are to other religions. :rolleyes:

What about Britain? Do we really have that much freedom? The government spies on everything we do, the state is turning slowly into a Big Brother society, eroding our freedom day after day, yet you are turning a blind eye to that!

I'm not British, so I wouldn't know. But who cares? I'm talking about religious freedom here. Infringement on privacy rights, as despicable as that may be, is not what we're talking about here.

So there is no 'extremism' in other religions? What about Christian fundamentalism which is the cause of the burning of synagogues, Jewish religious places in places like the USA...? They believe in the Satanic origin of Jews and are very anti-Semitic?

Which America is this..? This isn't fundamentalism, because Christian fundamentalism is extremely accepting of Judaism, as Christianity is based on Judaism.

Hindu extremists and their violent actions against Christians?
'Extremist Hindu groups offered money, food and alcohol to mobs to kill Christians and destroy their homes, according to Christian aid workers in the eastern state of Orissa.'
source: the times http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5186703.ece

That's quite horrible, I'll give you that.

The Guardian July 2003:
'Christian terrorist
The man accused of bombing two abortion clinics, a gay nightclub, and an
Olympic celebration in Atlanta wasn't just a madman allegedly acting out of
rage. Police and specialists on religious hate crime in the United States
believe that he was moved to act by his long embrace of a radical Christian
movement that holds Jews, blacks, and gays to be less than human'.
http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve03/1144terrorist.html

There's one, yes. But didn't see him tied with a massive religious organization responsible for the deaths of thousands of people worldwide, though.

I'd like you to know that I've never said that there isn't any terrorism or extremism linked with other religions. I'm just calling into question the degree of extremism and how much of it is carried out in the world.

itzme
Islamic 'terrorism' gets more media coverage than any other form of 'terrorism'.

That's because Islamic terrorism (no quotes necessary, terrorism is what it is) is more widespread than any other form of terrorism.
Reply 345
Delta Usafa
Christian missionaries don't go to other countries and just go around converting people. They set up missions with the primary goal of helping people, and people happen to see how nice they are and how appealing Christianity can be, and they convert by their own will.

And wow. The man deserves harsh treatment? "Let's kill this guy so that Christians will stop coming!"

Great. Your beliefs aren't backwards at all! I see how highly you value human life.



Uh, yes, the media is my main source of information. What is yours? Personal experience?

But let's see. You go to Saudi Arabia, and your Bible will be confiscated.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006712

And then there's you, Mr. "I think we should execute Muslims who convert to other religions." You're making a great case all by yourself for how open Islamic countries are to other religions. :rolleyes:


I'm not British, so I wouldn't know. But who cares? I'm talking about religious freedom here. Infringement on privacy rights, as despicable as that may be, is not what we're talking about here.


Which America is this..? This isn't fundamentalism, because Christian fundamentalism is extremely accepting of Judaism, as Christianity is based on Judaism.


That's quite horrible, I'll give you that.


There's one, yes. But didn't see him tied with a massive religious organization responsible for the deaths of thousands of people worldwide, though.

I'd like you to know that I've never said that there isn't any terrorism or extremism linked with other religions. I'm just calling into question the degree of extremism and how much of it is carried out in the world.


That's because Islamic terrorism (no quotes necessary, terrorism is what it is) is more widespread than any other form of terrorism.


1. No cares what you think (maybe excluding scafold just to go against this)

2. Antichrist extermist AKA Fire worhsipers clear evidence and footage in The Arrivals watch this and you will be told how the media are controling you and preparing you for what is to come if you belive it it is up to you
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3B74693223AB8F80

3. Islamic terriosim is only widespread due to the media attention, there have only been two majr attacks London and 9/11 the rest are suspious cases and what happened tot he saying Innocent until Proven Gulity there has been more Irish terroist bombings than Islamic e.g. 1966 Manchester, Dublin, Liverpool, Mayfair and many more!

4. i cant be bothered arguing so just watch that series will you then decide for yourself!
zohaib01
1. No cares what you think (maybe excluding scafold just to go against this)

2. Antichrist extermist AKA Fire worhsipers clear evidence and footage in The Arrivals watch this and you will be told how the media are controling you and preparing you for what is to come if you belive it it is up to you
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3B74693223AB8F80

3. Islamic terriosim is only widespread due to the media attention, there have only been two majr attacks London and 9/11 the rest are suspious cases and what happened tot he saying Innocent until Proven Gulity there has been more Irish terroist bombings than Islamic e.g. 1966 Manchester, Dublin, Liverpool, Mayfair and many more!

4. i cant be bothered arguing so just watch that series will you then decide for yourself!

1. Yes they do. If they didn't, they (and you) wouldn't be replying to my posts.

2. Okay?

3. The media doesn't make Islamic terrorism. There's a lot more to it than the examples provide though. There's 9/11 and 7/7 obviously, there there was also the USS Cole, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the hostage situation at the Belsan school in Russia, the bombings in Madrid, and more. Not to mention all the attacks that have been prevented. And those are just in the West. You have bombings and rocket attacks on civilians all the time in Israel, and they used to be every day in Iraq.
Reply 347
Delta Usafa
1. Yes they do. If they didn't, they (and you) wouldn't be replying to my posts.

2. Okay?

3. The media doesn't make Islamic terrorism. There's a lot more to it than the examples provide though. There's 9/11 and 7/7 obviously, there there was also the USS Cole, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the hostage situation at the Belsan school in Russia, the bombings in Madrid, and more. Not to mention all the attacks that have been prevented. And those are just in the West. You have bombings and rocket attacks on civilians all the time in Israel, and they used to be every day in Iraq.


Here's me not caring :nopity:
itzme
What about Britain? Do we really have that much freedom? The government spies on everything we do, the state is turning slowly into a Big Brother society, eroding our freedom day after day, yet you are turning a blind eye to that!


Don't defend X by pointing the finger at Y.

itzme
How do you know there is very little freedom of religion in Islamic countries? Have you visited all of them? Have you experienced persecution, imprisonment because of your faith? Do you use the media as your main source of information?


Human rights organisations like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch - not to mention the United Nations Human Rights Council which makes regular visits to these countries - issue regular reports about the appalling human rights record in Muslim-majority countries like Iran, Yemen, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, etc.

itzme
When you come to a country, you should respect the values and beliefs of people, not try to change them!


You should tell that to Muslim immigrants in Europe.

itzme
I do not approve of homosexuality but giving lashes to homosexuals will not stop the practice, it will just make them practice this in secret.


No one cares whether you 'approve' of homosexuality - the point is that your 'peace' loving religion demands that gay people be killed.
Reply 349
zohaib01
Here's me not caring :nopity:


Of course not. All in the name of peace right :biggrin:
Scaffold
Of course not. All in the name of peace right :biggrin:


Ignore him, he's a troll.
zohaib01
Here's me not caring :nopity:

Alright, that's fine.

Just make sure next time, when you post a thread asking a question, expect to get answers that you aren't going to like.
Original post by zohaib01
i have only been on this forum for less than a month now and already come across some extremist hating on the islamic culture mocking and defacing the religon and twisting its true teachings would love to name and shame but i dont think i am allowed but why can not people accept that not all muslims are terroists and most are harding working and considerate to other peoples values and stuff you see in the media is being shown to you for a reason!!


they hate islam because it is the fastest growing religion hence the media sees it as a threat when it is not and therefore says bad things about it not poeples fault really but stupid stupid zionsits - who i wish will die and cant wait for them to burn in hell the *****
The main reason I don't like Islam is because I don't like homophobes.
Reply 354
There's alot of hate for Islam in Britain due to the EDL (English defence league), which I agree with the reason for starting but not the actions they've carried out since. They where started to combat extremist Muslim based attacks in England, where a minority, admittedly, of Muslim protesters have taken it upon themselves to literally and violently force Islam upon Britain. I have no quarrel with Islam and I know a lot of Muslim actually condemn the action of this minority. But a massed religious protest that is frequently verbally aggressive and even physically violent is going to draw bad publicity especially when they openly fight with 'patriots'.
(edited 12 years ago)
Reply 355
I've read up to page 4 of this thread and feel as though I must put my two penneths in, as I'm getting quite annoyed at the OP's bullish tones.

The following is just my opinion.

OP, what gives you the right not to have your religion hated?? Can you imagine hoards of *any* religion flocking to a muslim country, erecting their own religious bulidings and going about the same way of life (no concept of 'when in Rome...') in the country to which they have fled? Would the migrants be welcomed with open arms? Even if those migrants were one group of many who were slowly bringing the country to a standstill, outcompeting the indigenous peoples for jobs and overpopulating the country?

Islam might be present in this country, the country where all of my ancestors (we have traced our family tree back as far as we can) have made their home. We might have to accept it. But there's nothing to say that we have to like it.

In essence, why should I have to like something which I feel has been introduced at great speed and with no invitation from the indigenous peoples. I say this to contrast to examples where a country actively requests immigration e.g. Australia, decades ago, when they introduced a £10 fare to go and settle there.
Reply 356
Original post by Delta Usafa
So if British law isn't appropriate to them and they feel more comfortable with Islamic law, why move to Britain? :dontknow:


Hear hear!

What was it I said about 'when in Rome'...
Reply 357
Original post by paddyman4
1. I don't think Islamic culture has made a significant contribution to British society.

2. You are allowed to name and shame.

3. People don't accept that all Muslims are hard working and considerate to other people's values, because there are obviously many cases where that isn't true, and of the others there is nothing to distinguish them from any other member of society.

4. The stuff we see in the media is shown to us because it is NEWS. Do you expect headlines such as 'MUSLIM MAN CONTINUES TO WORK QUITE HARD AND HASN'T CAUSED ANY TROUBLE!'?

5. From the posts you've made in this thread, I can infer that you either have chubby fingers or type with your face.


Hahahaha! I agree with all of the above points and am laughing at #5. Hahaha! :biggrin:
Reply 358
Original post by deeznutztatseguuuud
I hate islam :hello:


Hahahaha! You're brave :wink:
Reply 359
Original post by loves islam
they hate islam because it is the fastest growing religion hence the media sees it as a threat when it is not and therefore says bad things about it not poeples fault really but stupid stupid zionsits - who i wish will die and cant wait for them to burn in hell the *****


Why would the media be threatened by a fast growing religion alone?

Surely it is the behaviour of followers of said religion that has caused the media focus?

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