Why do people buy Macs?
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Original post by Sammydemon
You use a compressed audio file to do what, exactly?
I like compressing audio files. It gives my life purpose.
Original post by Gallabay
Oh gosh off the top of my head I can't actually remember. I know that it was a laptop rather than a netbook but that I was only using mine for 12 months before it started to die on me, whilst I was doing an assessment piece as well. STREEESSSFULLLL.
Tbh, I wasnt sure whether to go with the 15 or the 13 MBP, got the 13 and I really am glad I got it - its small enough and light enough to fit in my bag/take around with me with ease, and I've never felt it wasnt big enough to do what I wanted it to do. And Im one of those ridiculously irritating keen students who attempts to just about everything, so Im on it quite a lot, sending a lot of emails, writing essays and proposals and reading various things. Just so's you know
As for HDD or SSD, I got a HDD. My flatmate has a SSD on his Air and it boots from cold in under 4 seconds, its a beauty, but he also has a desktop Mac, and therefore the Air isnt about storage so much as it is portability. Since I figured I might need the space (although in fairness Im only currently using 64gig out of 500) I went for the HDD. I chose MBP over Air because of the need for the superdrive too.
Tbh, I wasnt sure whether to go with the 15 or the 13 MBP, got the 13 and I really am glad I got it - its small enough and light enough to fit in my bag/take around with me with ease, and I've never felt it wasnt big enough to do what I wanted it to do. And Im one of those ridiculously irritating keen students who attempts to just about everything, so Im on it quite a lot, sending a lot of emails, writing essays and proposals and reading various things. Just so's you know
As for HDD or SSD, I got a HDD. My flatmate has a SSD on his Air and it boots from cold in under 4 seconds, its a beauty, but he also has a desktop Mac, and therefore the Air isnt about storage so much as it is portability. Since I figured I might need the space (although in fairness Im only currently using 64gig out of 500) I went for the HDD. I chose MBP over Air because of the need for the superdrive too.
Mine's classed as a netbook but it's a 12" screen so it's sort of not... it's a hybrid
Sounds like a pain though, I don't really work on mine (spend a lot of time at college) but if I did i'd be buggered as I can't afford a new one!I'm going for the 15" - too long with small screens makes me get irritated with them. I'm sick of crap screen res (1366x768 anybody?
)I'm going to get a 1TB external hard disc and get the 128GB SSD (or 256GB, depending on the price next year) so room shouldn't be an issue.
Does it scratch easily?
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Original post by LilMonster
macs are just better for creative subjects.
Moot point. All the big players in creative software offer Windows variants.
Original post by Horatio-
You seem to be acting as if this is a life or death decision. It's not.
What if I told you that neither is truly better than one another? Omg!
People tend to explain why they bought something (in this case a Mac) and its usually dismissed.
E.g. "I bought a Mac because I prefer it's operating system because so and so" "OH BUT WINDOWS IS SO MUCH BETTER YOU'RE JUST A HIPSTER"
This is all I see in each thread of this kind.
What if I told you that neither is truly better than one another? Omg!
People tend to explain why they bought something (in this case a Mac) and its usually dismissed.
E.g. "I bought a Mac because I prefer it's operating system because so and so" "OH BUT WINDOWS IS SO MUCH BETTER YOU'RE JUST A HIPSTER"
This is all I see in each thread of this kind.
Correct. Neither are better than one another, although we can make our own arguments why Windows is better, or why a Mac is better. My own preference is indeed Windows, mostly down to software support and the 'openness' of Windows. I can build any PC and get Windows to work on it, for example.
Except the most reasons why people buy a Mac is what a Windows machine can do - it's just done in different ways. If, therefore, we had people who NEEDED to use Windows because of specialist software to the Mac - Final Cut, for example, or Garageband - then we can understand, naturally, why people would use a Mac.
I'm not a Mac hater, at all; because if I spent a lot of time on a Mac, I could appreciate it for what it's worth. I don't hate the Macs I hate the Mac attitude that somehow they are better than Windows or Linux users.
However, most Mac users don't benefit from the potentials OS X offers to them. At best, they're a glorified
Macs are so much easier to use for the typical consumer, in my opinion. Their functionality, speed and ergonomics are impeccable.
As mentioned above, it's similar to deciding what phone you wanna' use. Or what car you want. Or what meal you want from McDonalds.
I, personally, wouldn't want a Mac because nothing I use at work supports them.
I have a Sony Vaio with Windows 7 Ultimate at home, a Dell Latitude running XP at work and... an iPhone
As mentioned above, it's similar to deciding what phone you wanna' use. Or what car you want. Or what meal you want from McDonalds.
I, personally, wouldn't want a Mac because nothing I use at work supports them.
I have a Sony Vaio with Windows 7 Ultimate at home, a Dell Latitude running XP at work and... an iPhone
Original post by Lunch_Box
My MacBook Air - start up time: 10 seconds, shutting down time: 3 seconds
My previous 3 laptops/PCs - start up time: 3 minutes, shutting down time: 1 minute.
My previous 3 laptops/PCs - start up time: 3 minutes, shutting down time: 1 minute.
Of course, speeds are entirely mooted if you put your computer into hibernation. Of, if like me you can't get into the plug socket - hybrid sleep.
Original post by Scotteriath
Macs are so much easier to use for the typical consumer, in my opinion.
I disagree. The typical consumer has spent more of their life using Windows PCs. Mac may be ever so slightly easier if you gave a person who had never used any computer in their life one with a Windows PC side by side.
Windows isn't as hard as people, particularly Mac users, make out.
Original post by Lunch_Box
My MacBook Air - start up time: 10 seconds, shutting down time: 3 seconds
My previous 3 laptops/PCs - start up time: 3 minutes, shutting down time: 1 minute.
My previous 3 laptops/PCs - start up time: 3 minutes, shutting down time: 1 minute.
Your MacBook Air uses an SSD, a Windows PC with an SSD will be just as fast (if not faster, depending on the SSD). My desktop boots in seconds off an SSD too.
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Original post by mikeorchard
I disagree. The typical consumer has spent more of their life using Windows PCs. Mac may be ever so slightly easier if you gave a person who had never used any computer in their life one with a Windows PC side by side.
Windows isn't as hard as people, particularly Mac users, make out.
Windows isn't as hard as people, particularly Mac users, make out.
I know what you mean but my parents would find a Mac easier to use because of the pretty pictures and functionality with their iDevices :P
I, personally, wouldn't know where to start with a Mac.
Original post by Scotteriath
I, personally, wouldn't know where to start with a Mac.
I've used both, and they're both pretty similar tbh. That said, if Apple released OS X for any hardware and manufacturers released drivers, I would probably switch because I find it nicer to use day to day.
Original post by {Unregistered}
7. Durability: Or rather what I've heard of Apple MacBooks and how they are very reliable and last long. I want something that will last me the next 4 years and I didn't want to risk with anything of lower quality. (If I wanted to risk it, I would have definitely gone with the Sony S13, which is cheaper and packs a discrete GPU too. The only reason I didn't go with it is because I haven't had a great experience with Vaio's in the past and because of this: http://www.sonyvaiosucks.com
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7. Durability: Or rather what I've heard of Apple MacBooks and how they are very reliable and last long. I want something that will last me the next 4 years and I didn't want to risk with anything of lower quality. (If I wanted to risk it, I would have definitely gone with the Sony S13, which is cheaper and packs a discrete GPU too. The only reason I didn't go with it is because I haven't had a great experience with Vaio's in the past and because of this: http://www.sonyvaiosucks.com
)How on earth can Apple users be so deluded regarding this point?!?!?!?
Seriously, find me one reliability survey that shows Macs having LOWER breakdown rates, and then I'll post the 3 that show them being in the middle of the pack.
Original post by mikeorchard
I've used both, and they're both pretty similar tbh. That said, if Apple released OS X for any hardware and manufacturers released drivers, I would probably switch because I find it nicer to use day to day.
Yeah, support is the one reason I wouldn't ever want to 'have a go' with any Mac OS.
Original post by mikeorchard
Your MacBook Air uses an SSD, a Windows PC with an SSD will be just as fast (if not faster, depending on the SSD). My desktop boots in seconds off an SSD too.
To add to that, the consequences of using an SSD (as the poster probably did not know) are 1) much higher price and 2) currently much lower storage capability
I'm just not seeing the hardware advantage. At the time I bought this Dell (which I love <3), I could get pretty much the same specs as an Apple - right down to an aluminium frame and HQ JBL speakers - for literally half the price.
Even better, if I decided to, I could still install OS X on it (but I've done that before and OS X just feels uncomfortable).
I think the only thing I didn't get with it was an SSD, but the disadvantages of those outweigh the advantages fairly heavily methinks.
Even better, if I decided to, I could still install OS X on it (but I've done that before and OS X just feels uncomfortable).
I think the only thing I didn't get with it was an SSD, but the disadvantages of those outweigh the advantages fairly heavily methinks.
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Original post by Teenage Pirate
How on earth can Apple users be so deluded regarding this point?!?!?!?
Seriously, find me one reliability survey that shows Macs having LOWER breakdown rates, and then I'll post the 3 that show them being in the middle of the pack.
Seriously, find me one reliability survey that shows Macs having LOWER breakdown rates, and then I'll post the 3 that show them being in the middle of the pack.
Sorry but my MacBook is 100% reliable, not a single problem.
You are obviously the one that is deluded.
MacBooks are better than Windows Laptops, i have had both, and i have used Ubuntu. The OS X Lion is a bit of a rip off from Linux, but not too badly.
It is preference and personal opinion, after all.
Original post by Chad_Bronson
No, not at all. I don't care if people use a Mac or a PC - But people live in fantasy land of buying expensive things when a Windows, or even Linux, will suffice their needs. It's started out asking a genuine question why people buy Macs, which I thought was quite reasonable, but it's turned into a slanging match.
As for the poster who said Macs are better for creative projects. Complete, and total bull****. I did a little video, photo editing not too long ago on a Windows machine, and I've yet to have the software crash on me.
If we're going to get into an argument about who uses what - I visited the BBC three years ago, and guess what they used?
Windows XP. Not Macintosh.
As for the poster who said Macs are better for creative projects. Complete, and total bull****. I did a little video, photo editing not too long ago on a Windows machine, and I've yet to have the software crash on me.
If we're going to get into an argument about who uses what - I visited the BBC three years ago, and guess what they used?
Windows XP. Not Macintosh.
But I don't think that anyone was rude at all until you were in the post I quoted you in. Everyone was pretty much saying "Yeah Macs do some things better than PCs (design, build quality, some notebook-specific stuff like a great trackpad)." Nobody mentioned the negatives (like the being able to get a sufficient PC for less money) because you didn't ask for reasons why people buy PCs instead of Macs. You asked for reasons why people bought Macs, and people gave you their reasons. If that offends you, then I think the problem is more with you than with their responses.
There is a difference between a little video and photo editing, and being a professional animations expert. I am a fairly advanced Photoshop / Illustrator user, and I use Windows. I completely agree there are no crashes. However there must be a reason why, in the design world, Macs are the de facto standard. My brother is doing a professional, post-graduate qualification in animation and modelling (works at the likes of Pixar), and I know he can only do his work on a Mac. He was a lifelong PC user, but he simply cannot do his work on a PC any more.
The difference is, I never said Windows users are stupid. I am a Windows user, I don't and never have owned a Mac. However you quite explicitly said that Mac users are stupid. If they are stupid, they I suggest you point this out to the hundreds and thousands of the best computer engineers in the world. And the original author of the Linux kernal.
EDIT:
And using XP is objectively stupid from a systems perspective because it is insecure (in a well documented and objective way), and no longer receives security updates from Microsoft. There are many, many known, serious, unplugged (and never will be plugged) security holes in it. Legacy systems may still exist because of the need for compatibility with old software, or because of the cost of re-training staff, but let us not for one second pretend it is the correct engineering solution.
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Original post by Robertall
Sorry but my MacBook is 100% reliable, not a single problem.
You are obviously the one that is deluded.
MacBooks are better than Windows Laptops, i have had both, and i have used Ubuntu. The OS X Lion is a bit of a rip off from Linux, but not too badly.
It is preference and personal opinion, after all.
You are obviously the one that is deluded.
MacBooks are better than Windows Laptops, i have had both, and i have used Ubuntu. The OS X Lion is a bit of a rip off from Linux, but not too badly.
It is preference and personal opinion, after all.
Reliability isn't about preference and personal opinion.
So, try again. Do you have any objective source to back up your delusional view that you've bought a more reliable computer?
Original post by Teenage Pirate
How on earth can Apple users be so deluded regarding this point?!?!?!?
Seriously, find me one reliability survey that shows Macs having LOWER breakdown rates, and then I'll post the 3 that show them being in the middle of the pack.
Seriously, find me one reliability survey that shows Macs having LOWER breakdown rates, and then I'll post the 3 that show them being in the middle of the pack.
Well, I had never used a MacBook myself before last week so I'm not really the person to answer this but I've certainly heard better things about MacBooks than, say, HP or Acer.
The manufacturer's I trust (based on my experience with them) are Toshiba, Samsung and Asus...and now I'm beginning to like Apple too, even though it's only been a week since I've had it.
HP and Sony are two manufacturers that I know from experience to be a bit of "hit or miss".
According to most reliability surveys (that I have seen) Toshiba and Asus are usually at the top of the pack...then again, reliability surveys don't matter if your specific product fails. My Toshiba is still going strong after more than 1.5 years of rough use but that doesn't mean Toshiba laptops don't fail.
Original post by Chad_Bronson
Genuine question I've never really got my head round. There seems to be a lot of stick about people owning Macs - Mostly the accusations about them being 'hipsters', technologically arrogant, etc.
So I asked myself this question - Why do people buy Macs? What loving incentive is there to buy a Mac, when a Windows machine that's configured correctly has the flexibility of Windows (or Linux, if you wanted) and will just run and run?
Genuine question here. I use Windows 7 on a PC; and the performance on it has been rock solid after I installed a driver that fixed my display (D-SUB to HDMI lead always displayed the images underscanned; but a driver update fixed that).
I've used a Mac, personally didn't like my experience. It seemed... Backwards; in the sense most people train on a bog-standard Windows PC, but the Mac PC seems to rewrite this. IMO, it seems clumsy to use, whereas Windows 7 doesn't get in the way and let you do things (unlike the dog Windows 7).
Windows can do more than a Mac, too, in terms of hardware, software, etc... So is there something I'm missing out with a Mac, or is it just glorified hype?
So I asked myself this question - Why do people buy Macs? What loving incentive is there to buy a Mac, when a Windows machine that's configured correctly has the flexibility of Windows (or Linux, if you wanted) and will just run and run?
Genuine question here. I use Windows 7 on a PC; and the performance on it has been rock solid after I installed a driver that fixed my display (D-SUB to HDMI lead always displayed the images underscanned; but a driver update fixed that).
I've used a Mac, personally didn't like my experience. It seemed... Backwards; in the sense most people train on a bog-standard Windows PC, but the Mac PC seems to rewrite this. IMO, it seems clumsy to use, whereas Windows 7 doesn't get in the way and let you do things (unlike the dog Windows 7).
Windows can do more than a Mac, too, in terms of hardware, software, etc... So is there something I'm missing out with a Mac, or is it just glorified hype?
I've used Macs and PCs side by side for a few years now, so I have had a while to formalise this argument.
1) In general, all Mac hardware is pretty good. I'm totally ignoring the price in this point - I'm just saying that in general, there won't be a part of a Mac laptop which is a total dud. Normally when you buy a laptop, there's at least one part of it that you don't like that much - the key action, the touchpad response. This is because there's a race with the OEMs to pump out as many different models as possible to attempt to fill every single niche. With Macs, pretty much all of them feel exactly the same - the keyboards are the same, the touchpads are the same - so provided you like those two methods of input, you'll like all of them. I like those two methods of input.
2) It runs a Unix operating system. This is a big deal for me. I do lots of computer programming, and like to be able to use the command line. Bash is far more featured than the dos emulator on Windows - it's just easier to use, more featured and extends more. You can do most things without leaving the command line on OSX, should you want to. Last year I made a bet that I could do all my schoolwork from the command line - it worked perfectly. In effect, I get the benefit I need from Linux, but the mass-market appeal of Windows.
3) OS X is a nice operating system to use. I don't really give a crap about customising my desktop. I don't care too much about custom drivers or any other tweaks that OS X is meant to be good for. I just like everything to work, with minimal effort. I'm not a fan of extensive customisation, but when I do need it, I'm fine with delving into system files - so OSX is for me.
4) Parts are easy to find. If I break something, there are loads of websites which ship Apple parts - I can order something one day and have it fitted by the next.
All in all, the reasons I have a Macbook Pro are: Hardware, Software. Pretty simple really!
oh, and lastly (a bit less important) 5) built in whole disk encryption without paying for a more expensive operating system.
I'm not too fussed about breakdown rates because seriously, all brands of computer break down, and unless they've been designed badly (in general not true among the top manufacturers), they're not much more likely to fail than each other. My old Macbook pro had the little lead that went from the logic board to the hard drive fail, and that was a pain to replace - but it was still easily possible.
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