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Woman raped at 3am by a sick nasty rapist after getting thrown off the bus...
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Women have the right to walk home at night unmolested and unharmed. It isn't her fault in any way. She has a responsibility, as an adult for her own safety, however, that doesn't extend to avoiding leaving her home in order to avoid the chance that some bastard will rape and give her a beating because his girlfriend wont see him.
I can't believe how sexist men are and I can be quite sexist myself.
I can't believe how sexist men are and I can be quite sexist myself.
It's not inherently fair to involve the bus driver or the passengers. Of course they had no clear idea of what was to happen. However on another level it was the bus driver's moral responsibility to consider the state the girl was in- alone, drunk and probably confused. In this case he should have overlooked the amount of money, taken as much as she could pay, and let her on the bus. Obviously if it were daytime the circumstances would be different, she probably would not be allowed on.
But the driver is somewhat responsible due to the fact that he seemed to have stuck so rigorously to the rules that it thus ignored the safety of a person.
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But the driver is somewhat responsible due to the fact that he seemed to have stuck so rigorously to the rules that it thus ignored the safety of a person.
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It is not the passengers' fault for not stumping up, nor the bus driver's fault for not letting the girl on, nor her fault for not having enough cash. The person to blame is the violent criminal who raped her. No excuses can be made, and she should have been able to wait safely to be picked up. It's a sad state of affairs when someone can't wait safely at the side of a road for a lift. That is the real problem, not the fact of no one helping her with her fare or any of that.
Original post by kaypc
you can't blame the driver or passengers, that's true, the only one to blame is the rapist, however the bus driver and passengers will have to live with the fact that they didn't help for the rest of their lives. how could anyone be so greedy not to offer 20p if they had it. jheez!!
How could they possibly know ? How about donating some money to the poor countries in the world right now. If you do not donate right now, PEOPLE will die right this second.... ! See the logic? But I feel sorry for the woman.
Rapists need to have the death penalty, not put in prison. The day you take someones right like that, is the day you don't deserve to live anymore.
Original post by Jiraya Sama
How could they possibly know ? How about donating some money to the poor countries in the world right now. If you do not donate right now, PEOPLE will die right this second.... ! See the logic? But I feel sorry for the woman.
Rapists need to have the death penalty, not put in prison. The day you take someones right like that, is the day you don't deserve to live anymore.
Rapists need to have the death penalty, not put in prison. The day you take someones right like that, is the day you don't deserve to live anymore.
Yup.... That's what happened in Saudi Arabia few years ago...5 men raped a women and before it was 24 hrs to that crime all of the 5 men got death penalty......So before doing something so bad like that people will think 100 times.....Those people should be punished, not a simple punishment but direct death penalty if it's proved...
The bus company have said the driver failed to meet company policy in this case and he was disciplined. Therefore anyone saying the driver has no fault in this case is wrong, as his own company have said he was wrong to do what he did.
Obviously he can't be blamed for the horrific attack the young woman endured, but he is at fault for not meeting the standards expected of him by his company, and therefore played an indirect part in what happened to her later on.
Obviously he can't be blamed for the horrific attack the young woman endured, but he is at fault for not meeting the standards expected of him by his company, and therefore played an indirect part in what happened to her later on.
Original post by rock.and.rose
The bus company have said the driver failed to meet company policy in this case and he was disciplined. Therefore anyone saying the driver has no fault in this case is wrong, as his own company have said he was wrong to do what he did.
Obviously he can't be blamed for the horrific attack the young woman endured, but he is at fault for not meeting the standards expected of him by his company, and therefore played an indirect part in what happened to her later on.
Obviously he can't be blamed for the horrific attack the young woman endured, but he is at fault for not meeting the standards expected of him by his company, and therefore played an indirect part in what happened to her later on.
At fault for not following company policy is very different from "at fault thus being partially to blame for the rape".
If you are going to say that the bus driver played an "indirect part", then you must also acknowledge (although I would disagree) that the woman played an "indirect part" by failing to have enough money.
Original post by rock.and.rose
The bus company have said the driver failed to meet company policy in this case and he was disciplined. Therefore anyone saying the driver has no fault in this case is wrong, as his own company have said he was wrong to do what he did.
Obviously he can't be blamed for the horrific attack the young woman endured, but he is at fault for not meeting the standards expected of him by his company, and therefore played an indirect part in what happened to her later on.
Obviously he can't be blamed for the horrific attack the young woman endured, but he is at fault for not meeting the standards expected of him by his company, and therefore played an indirect part in what happened to her later on.
I think that's BS from the company. Assuming you're referring to this article, the company's only hint at what the policy is is for the driver to pay out of his own pocket - how can forcing an employee to pay for a customer be company policy? Unless the driver would have been reimbursed by the company later, but then why not say that rather than emphasise 'their own pocket'?
But.. What The Hell.. What bus is £5 one way ride? You can catch a taxi for the same amount. Should have taken a taxi home and paid from money left at home/friends/family.
Original post by Foo.mp3
Poor girl 
Even more tragic that her mum was the one to discover her all unrecognisably battered 
The bus fare thing is the kind of situation though where ordinarily militant feminists (feminazis) would bark at you for suggesting that a young lady should be 'llowed the 20p late at night, or that someone should've done the chivalrous thing, stepped up and offered to pay the excess..
I suppose incidents like this should focus the minds of vulnerable young people (be they male or female), when it comes to having solid plans (and sufficient funds) for late night journeys, and preferably not traveling home alone/ideally having an escort
Even more tragic that her mum was the one to discover her all unrecognisably battered The bus fare thing is the kind of situation though where ordinarily militant feminists (feminazis) would bark at you for suggesting that a young lady should be 'llowed the 20p late at night, or that someone should've done the chivalrous thing, stepped up and offered to pay the excess..
I suppose incidents like this should focus the minds of vulnerable young people (be they male or female), when it comes to having solid plans (and sufficient funds) for late night journeys, and preferably not traveling home alone/ideally having an escort
This.
Original post by Jiraya Sama
How could they possibly know ? How about donating some money to the poor countries in the world right now. If you do not donate right now, PEOPLE will die right this second.... ! See the logic? But I feel sorry for the woman.
Rapists need to have the death penalty, not put in prison. The day you take someones right like that, is the day you don't deserve to live anymore.
Rapists need to have the death penalty, not put in prison. The day you take someones right like that, is the day you don't deserve to live anymore.
the victim was begging the driver to let her on the bus for 8 minutes so i think the passengers might have overheard if it was for that long. I don't think rapists deserve the death penalty. i disagree with the death penalty in all cases but understand why murderers would deserve it as they take a life but not rapists. life in prison would be suitable for rapists.
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Original post by Beebumble
You don't know if they had 20p themselves. It was a late bus there was probably hardly anyone on it and who carries a load of loose change around with them nowadays anyway!
People who use a bus usually have change on them, I don't think you can use Oyster cards in Nottingham! I don't know how many passengers there were, I'm basing my comment on the article: "Dozens of other passengers can be seen boarding the bus while she begs to be allowed on." Of course, it could be BS, but neither you or I know, do we?
Original post by kaypc
the victim was begging the driver to let her on the bus for 8 minutes so i think the passengers might have overheard if it was for that long. I don't think rapists deserve the death penalty. i disagree with the death penalty in all cases but understand why murderers would deserve it as they take a life but not rapists. life in prison would be suitable for rapists.
So you disagree on the death penalty with rapists and not murderers. I am pretty sure if you got raped, you would personally want to kill the rapist. High moral ground from someone not getting raped personally to have an opinion on whether you disagree for the crime.
I am pretty sure a person who has got raped has mental/physical pain lasting throughout their life, as if their personality has been murdered.
Original post by F Ellen
People who use a bus usually have change on them, I don't think you can use Oyster cards in Nottingham! I don't know how many passengers there were, I'm basing my comment on the article: "Dozens of other passengers can be seen boarding the bus while she begs to be allowed on." Of course, it could be BS, but neither you or I know, do we?
Says who? People usually have enough change for themselves. Not for everyone else. Just saying.
Original post by Jiraya Sama
Says who? People usually have enough change for themselves. Not for everyone else. Just saying.
Same question to you - Says who? We're both assuming here. I personally am finding it hard to believe that out of "dozens" of passengers not one of them had a spare 20p. "Just saying".
Original post by Jiraya Sama
So you disagree on the death penalty with rapists and not murderers. I am pretty sure if you got raped, you would personally want to kill the rapist. High moral ground from someone not getting raped personally to have an opinion on whether you disagree for the crime.
I am pretty sure a person who has got raped has mental/physical pain lasting throughout their life, as if their personality has been murdered.
I am pretty sure a person who has got raped has mental/physical pain lasting throughout their life, as if their personality has been murdered.
i don't recall us knowing each other so i don't know how you can form this opinion. rapists still don't take a life though so killing them would be imo very harsh. agree to disagree
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by kaypc
i don't recall us knowing each other so i don't know how you can form this opinion. rapists still don't take a life though so killing them would be imo very harsh. agree to disagree
We don't need to know each other to form an opinion. Logically saying, a person who knows not what someone feels like, goes through their life after being raped, then you can judge whether the punishment is "harsh" or not. They didn't steal something from someone else, they "raped" them.
But, agree to disagree.
Original post by Jiraya Sama
We don't need to know each other to form an opinion. Logically saying, a person who knows not what someone feels like, goes through their life after being raped, then you can judge whether the punishment is "harsh" or not. They didn't steal something from someone else, they "raped" them.
But, agree to disagree.
But, agree to disagree.
okay, but i was saying you assumed i didn't know what i was talking about because ive never been in that situation, that's what i meant.
I think the main moral of the story here is that bus fares these days are ridiculous and unaffordable. More subsidies are needed from government to help protect members of society who rely on public transport.
Edit - Thanks for the neg, whatever sad act is up at 5.39am reading online forums!
Edit - Thanks for the neg, whatever sad act is up at 5.39am reading online forums!
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by ras90
It is her fault aswell as the guy. She should have made sure she had the money and he obviously is mainly to blame. You cant blame the driver or passengers
I really hope someone rapes you next time you can't afford the bus.
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