Streaming a film online (not downloading).

As far as i am aware, uploading it is illegal, streaming it is not.

Reply 62

aliasunknown

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Original post by Tommyjw

As far as i am aware, uploading it is illegal, streaming it is not.

thats what i thought but still cant prove it, so am not going to stream again until i or someone else find proof just in case.

Reply 63

Original post by aliasunknown

thats what i thought but still cant prove it, so am not going to stream again until i or someone else find proof just in case.

Nothing will happen. The reason it's such a grey area is because there is no real designated law there, as far as i am aware, all i have seen is that it 'may or may not be illegal', showing there have been no real cases there.

Reply 64

FinalMH

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Original post by aliasunknown

thanks, i appreciate that you took the time to apologize. I think we should just agree to disagree, im still not convinced its illegal but i wont do it anymore just in case it is.

Agreed. I shouldn't argue like that, i don't like being treat so i won't. Yeah agree to disagree.

Reply 65

aliasunknown

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Original post by FinalMH

Agreed. I shouldn't argue like that, i don't like being treat so i won't. Yeah agree to disagree.

thanks, we had a nice debate anyway. Yeah seems like the best solution.

Reply 66

Original post by Foghorn Leghorn

It was to my understanding that watching a stream wasn't illegal, it's the person uploading the stream that is breaking the law. It would be no different than going to the pictures and watching a film there and assuming they have bought/aquired the rights to show the movie, you could simply claim that you assumed the person streaming had the right to stream.

You're thinking Swedish law. In the UK both ends are culpable.

Streaming is downloading, just temporarily. The file still enters your system and sits there for a lil bit, and thus you've infringed copyright/data distribution laws.

Reply 67

aliasunknown

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Original post by Tommyjw

Nothing will happen. The reason it's such a grey area is because there is no real designated law there, as far as i am aware, all i have seen is that it 'may or may not be illegal', showing there have been no real cases there.

yeah, i just want to be certain that its not against any defined law and nothing will happen. I dont think there are any designated laws but im hoping someone on here will prove for definate either way within a few days.

Reply 68

Original post by Blazara

You're thinking Swedish law. In the UK both ends are culpable.

Streaming is downloading, just temporarily. The file still enters your system and sits there for a lil bit, and thus you've infringed copyright/data distribution laws.

Not neccessarily. Downloading is only defined as that when you have atleast a cached copy of something, streaming something 'normally' will not give this and well.. it's not possible to really tell whether you have a cache etc of something unless your computer is searched, website records etc won't show it. P2P streaming will probably be illegal though.

Reply 69

Original post by Tommyjw

Not neccessarily. Downloading is only defined as that when you have atleast a cached copy of something, streaming something 'normally' will not give this and well.. it's not possible to really tell whether you have a cache etc of something unless your computer is searched, website records etc won't show it. P2P streaming will probably be illegal though.

All files enter your cache/temporary files for however long. If it ain't on the system, how are you viewing it?

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Reply 70

freedom1

Legal or not they won't do anything about it.

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Original post by Blazara

All files enter your cache/temporary files for however long. If it ain't on the system, how are you viewing it?

Except that isn't downloaded., you cannot then view the film directly from those files.

If you are so sure it's illegal, find the law on it.

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Original post by Tommyjw

Except that isn't downloaded., you cannot then view the film directly from those files.

If you are so sure it's illegal, find the law on it.

Tell me, how are you viewing this website? The issue isn't whether you can independently view the files - they are downloaded onto your system. Regardless of the timeframe of this. By doing so, you are breaking copyright law by being in possession of something protected by copyright without permission.

Section 7 - http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law

'Copying the work'. Guess what downloading is?

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Reply 73

Original post by Blazara

Tell me, how are you viewing this website? The issue isn't whether you can independently view the files - they are downloaded onto your system. Regardless of the timeframe of this. By doing so, you are breaking copyright law by being in possession of something protected by copyright without permission.

No youa re not, and you are yet to prove it. Stop acting like it is fact when it is not.

The issue IS whether you can view the files, because that is the point. It's illegal once you have a copy downloaded, it's illegal once you start P2P etc etc because it is about distribution and handling. Not about streaming.

Section 7 - http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law

'Copying the work'. Guess what downloading is?

/yawn.

Nothing about streaming, streaming is not downloading. They are different things.

Shall ask again, find me the law.

Reply 74

Original post by Tommyjw

/yawn.

Nothing about streaming, streaming is not downloading. They are different things.

Shall ask again, find me the law.

I can't understand how you can not have understood the most fundamental action of the internet. Every page, everything you look at is on your system. Even for only a second. When you stream, the data is on your machine. It has to be, else it can't play. I don't know how many times I have to iterate it, and it's not my fault if you don't understand how an internet browser/the internet works.

Once that is established, the law is there. You have downloaded it/placed it upon your system which counts as making a copy.

The entire debate is redundant because they don't look into it yet. It's realistically too difficult to ascertain, and certainly not worth it economically.

Reply 75

T.I.

OP

Streaming and downloading are different, other wise everytime you watch a video on youtube you are brekaing the law.

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