TSR Med Students' Society Part IV

Cheers for all the great links! (including the Bodies thread - I somehow missed that programme completely, but enjoying it now)

How's it feel to have your exam out of the way man? I guess there's still the OSCE to go, have you got long to wait?

NP If you find Series 2, hook me up!

Feels great. Sun's shining, I'm doing some OSCE reading and TSRing. Positively gleeful graduation is like four months away.

Good stuff man Yeah it's a beautiful day - got my laptop out on the balcony to enjoy it

Ultra competent graduates? I haven't seen a lot of research saying much other than "at least as good as" or "equally competent".

You don't massively change a patient's treatment if the evidence says: drug A is just as good as drug B, just the patient with drug B has to go to the willow tree and derive it themselves!

The evidence I've seen has claimed things like "better clinical reasoning" and greater long-term "knowledge retention". How these things've been measured and exactly what has been measured I'm going to be interested in reading.

From what i have read recently differences between the outcomes of medical curricular are unlikely to be statistically significant, as it is argued that the students selected for medical courses are all academically high preforming, making them homogenous. Therefore, little if any difference would be noted in outcomes.

As for the long-term effects, iv yet to see anything substantial.

I don't think it's not just long-term effects. It seems to me to be all effects.

I feel like PBL could be useful in clinical years or on graduate entry courses where the core base knowledge has already ideally been achieved and things become more application-focussed. To use it as a method of acquiring the fundamentals seems illogical to me. It's slow, inefficient and more laborious. I'm not convinced it really makes you better at teamwork, communicating or helps retention of knowledge, either.

Ultimately, I don't think the evidence around it warranted such a drastic change in the way we train doctors. Though I will read more about this over the summer and may change my mind.

Having said this, I don't think lectures are a good way to deliver material either.

But realistically PBL is not used to acquire knowledge, just to consolidate it once obtained and to direct clinical learning better. We only really use the PBL issues to identify the clinical medicine we need to cover for each unit.

The fundamental basic science learning outcomes are covered elsewhere in the course and in the life sciences study guide for us.

Is this not the same for you guys?

Someone's having some luxurious student years

**** me, I'm bored ****less of revising.

Positively gleeful graduation is like four months away.

So I celebrated my sixth year anniversary with a trip to a musical (I hate musicals but did it for her) and then a delightful talk about giving her more space. We never see each other anymore as it is 'cause neither of us have ****ing time.

I have no idea how to deal with this ****, can't wait for this term to ****ing end.

Damn. ****ty bro.

Know much about newport?

So I celebrated my sixth year anniversary with a trip to a musical (I hate musicals but did it for her) and then a delightful talk about giving her more space. We never see each other anymore as it is 'cause neither of us have ****ing time.

I have no idea how to deal with this ****, can't wait for this term to ****ing end.

Yeah, I'm from quite near there. It's about as ****ty as my relationship status. It's an alright night out as long as you know well in advance it's a dive and expect nothing else from it. The people are normally scummy as **** as well. Why?

Aww mate didn't see your post.

Daymn that sucks.

You'll pull through I'm sure...

Just watching a show on it! http://www.channel4.com/programmes/bouncers/4od

Meh, it'll go two ways. Either she'll realise she doesn't care about me and isn't bothered when we don't speak or she'll miss it and come back. I figure I'll realise the state of play in two weeks or so. She's on tour in a week though so I'm not holding my breath. What a ****ing waste of time.

Meh, it'll go two ways. Either she'll realise she doesn't care about me and isn't bothered when we don't speak or she'll miss it and come back. I figure I'll realise the state of play in two weeks or so. She's on tour in a week though so I'm not holding my breath. What a ****ing waste of time.



Oh Jesus, please don't base your opinion of the Welsh/where I'm from on that. I haven't watched it yet but I've heard there's some storming one liners on there. Might watch it now, got bugger all else to do.

Meh, it'll go two ways. Either she'll realise she doesn't care about me and isn't bothered when we don't speak or she'll miss it and come back. I figure I'll realise the state of play in two weeks or so. She's on tour in a week though so I'm not holding my breath. What a ****ing waste of time.