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Why are doctors seemingly so incompetent?
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Original post by OU Student
This makes no sense at all. GPs and consultants don't generally have time to explain the ins and outs of medical conditions. Therefore, it makes sense to research them. I was diagnosed with a rare medical condition a few years ago, researched it online and joined a few online groups. This meant I could meet people with this condition.
It makes no sense to you perhaps, but too often we see people doing their own 'research' and then havinga freak out.
The highest hits in google are not usually the best sources of information.
Support groups will tend to have well informed individuals who can impart their knowledge and direct reading.
Whereas if you read online odds are pretty good that you will be told your depression and neurological issues will be made much worse by taking medication and instead you need to surround yourself with blue quartz.
This forum is testament to how crazy claims and theories can be put forward as fact which some will believe as gospel.
Original post by OU Student
Because they made me wait 4 years just to remove teeth. Their reason was they can't do anything due to health and safety as I'd recently had a seizure and they needed to ensure I wasn't going to have another one whilst I was having teeth removed.
It took 2 months to get tested and get the all clear.
It took 2 months to get tested and get the all clear.
health and safety lol. makes it sound like they were looking out for themselves.
You mean they didn't want you to start fitting and clamp your gob own whilst they had surgical instruments in your mouth and bleeding, putting you at a pretty good risk of, you know, dying.
Original post by t0ffee
A variety of long and complex reasons.
Personally I think we should mimic the American system where Medicine is a postgrad course - selecting people who are proven academically and have a bit of time to grow, develop and reflect - rather than selecting a load of mad kids who are pretty much forced into some very grim work experience and arbitrary academic standards when they are very young.
Otherwise perhaps the biggest reason is a lack of consequence for misdiagnosis and a lack of exhaustive diagnosis at most stages of medical treatment.
Personally I think we should mimic the American system where Medicine is a postgrad course - selecting people who are proven academically and have a bit of time to grow, develop and reflect - rather than selecting a load of mad kids who are pretty much forced into some very grim work experience and arbitrary academic standards when they are very young.
Otherwise perhaps the biggest reason is a lack of consequence for misdiagnosis and a lack of exhaustive diagnosis at most stages of medical treatment.
The route to become a consultant in america (attendant) is much quicker than in this country.
So actually the person in charge will have just as much experience regardless.
Original post by RobertWhite
I have a really good GP but the ones at Soton uni are terrible. I had a very strange burning sensation all around my stomach which felt like sunburn and it hurt to walk. The GP basically said there was nothing to look at and just said "Bye". I was like oh... okay... bye? I looked into it and there are so many underlying problems to this such as onset of shingles, anxiety disorder, liver problems etc...
Did you develop shingles or a liver problem..?
Original post by Deeduldum
This is quite an interesting conversation in the light of the BMA's announcement today of doctors' decision to go on strike for all routine procedures on 21st June.
The government is offering them a pension of £68,000.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18254499
The government is offering them a pension of £68,000.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18254499
No, the ones retiring in the next few years will have a pension of £68,000.
Hospital doctors like m who are at the start of our career have no hope in ever getting that.
Original post by Jamie
health and safety lol. makes it sound like they were looking out for themselves.
You mean they didn't want you to start fitting and clamp your gob own whilst they had surgical instruments in your mouth and bleeding, putting you at a pretty good risk of, you know, dying.
You mean they didn't want you to start fitting and clamp your gob own whilst they had surgical instruments in your mouth and bleeding, putting you at a pretty good risk of, you know, dying.
I was given the all clear 2 months after having a single bloody seizure.
It doesn't take 4 years to be tested and then be given the results.
nowadays you get doctors that just memorise the medical book, pass exams, and have no idea how to apply their knowledge. and if they do know how to apply it then they have zero people skills and can't communicate it to their patients. oh and if they find out that they are wrong and you're right, then they'll keep telling you that nothing's wrong and you'll end up worse off.
only advice i can give is keep changing doctors until you find a competent one or ask around your friends and family if they know of any good doctors.
by the way i'm not ranting at all doctors, just some of the incompetent fools passing for doctors these days.
only advice i can give is keep changing doctors until you find a competent one or ask around your friends and family if they know of any good doctors.
by the way i'm not ranting at all doctors, just some of the incompetent fools passing for doctors these days.
Original post by such_a_lady
for eczema, i'm trying to get referred to a dermatologist 
for eczema, i'm trying to get referred to a dermatologist It's worth it if you can get to one!
I know how you feel 
Original post by Benniboi1
my skin got out of hand though about a year ago and as he's not a skin specialist he didn't really know what to do, so he referred me to a dermatologist.
The same happened to me. He knew what it was (pityriasis rosea) and originally gave me some cream and medication to take. After the skin on my knuckles split, (that really hurt!) I went back to see him again. He then said there's another doctor who specialises in skin disorders; so he'll make me an appointment to see him.
Original post by Jamie
The route to become a consultant in america (attendant) is much quicker than in this country.
So actually the person in charge will have just as much experience regardless.
So actually the person in charge will have just as much experience regardless.
You missed the point. Doctors in America are selected for Doctor training when they are more grown up have far more life experience etc. Not that they get taught medicine for longer.
Original post by t0ffee
You missed the point. Doctors in America are selected for Doctor training when they are more grown up have far more life experience etc. Not that they get taught medicine for longer.
Do you think that has any difference 10+ years later when they have finished their training?
It might make a difference at uni but I don't notice any difference in this country between 30 year old doctors who started at 18 and those who start at 23yrs.
Original post by t0ffee
You missed the point. Doctors in America are selected for Doctor training when they are more grown up have far more life experience etc. Not that they get taught medicine for longer.
But in america the doctors in charge of your care are younger than those in the uk. because the training is so much shorter.
hence i don't get your point.
Original post by t0ffee
You missed the point. Doctors in America are selected for Doctor training when they are more grown up have far more life experience etc. Not that they get taught medicine for longer.
He didn't miss the point, you just don't have one. Anyone with an understanding knows this, you're just too ignorant. Not only are cons in America the same age as the ones in the UK the age you start doesn't make a difference.
There are post grads in my year and I was straight from school, even at this stage (second year) I've had my consultants score me higher than post-grads.
Original post by Jamie
Whereas if you read online odds are pretty good that you will be told your depression and neurological issues will be made much worse by taking medication and instead you need to surround yourself with blue quartz.
After having a ridiculously long and circular argument with my father about illness and Christian Science this morning, this cracked me up.
Original post by Jamie
Did you develop shingles or a liver problem..?
Yes I developed shingles a few days later. That isn't the point - a doctor should explore all of the available causes rather than just shrug it off. I hope you're not supporting this doctor with that smart ass comment - she was clearly incompetent and had no respect for me. Just saying "there's nothing I can do, bye" is clearly rude and disrespectful.
Original post by RobertWhite
Yes I developed shingles a few days later. That isn't the point - a doctor should explore all of the available causes rather than just shrug it off. I hope you're not supporting this doctor with that smart ass comment - she was clearly incompetent and had no respect for me. Just saying "there's nothing I can do, bye" is clearly rude and disrespectful.
Wouldn't dream of 'disrespecting' you in such a way!
As a child, my parents kept on taking me to the doctors; as I kept complaining of headaches and would vomit a lot at night. They gave me a CT scan, which apparently showed nothing unusual. They blamed everything on my eyesight.
According to the neurologist I saw last year, I had epilepsy. He was also shocked that they didn't investigate my pionidal sinus.
According to the neurologist I saw last year, I had epilepsy. He was also shocked that they didn't investigate my pionidal sinus.
Original post by Norton1
I think the condition you are actually suffering from is 'hypochondria'
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Original post by OU Student
As a child, my parents kept on taking me to the doctors; as I kept complaining of headaches and would vomit a lot at night. They gave me a CT scan, which apparently showed nothing unusual. They blamed everything on my eyesight.
According to the neurologist I saw last year, I had epilepsy. He was also shocked that they didn't investigate my pionidal sinus.
According to the neurologist I saw last year, I had epilepsy. He was also shocked that they didn't investigate my pionidal sinus.
Why was the neurologist looking at you arse crack?
Unless you are having a lot of problems with a pilonidal sinus the advice is simply to shave your arse.
Original post by Jamie
Why was the neurologist looking at you arse crack?
Unless you are having a lot of problems with a pilonidal sinus the advice is simply to shave your arse.
Unless you are having a lot of problems with a pilonidal sinus the advice is simply to shave your arse.
He wanted to see how it had healed or something. Only had it once, had it drained and have had no problems since.
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