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Original post by Shengis14
God how little clinical exposure do you get? I only get 8 days of placement in second year.
But it's all changed at St Andrews this year, everybody seems to hate Edinburgh and all the "gunners" seem to be applying to Glasgow or Aberdeen, it'll probably be the first year when people get sent to Edinburgh who didn't put it as their first choice.

And I'll probably go to Glasgow, closer to home and the widest selection of placements. Plus the largest teaching hospital in Europe, so thats probably a plus.


None at all in first year (unless you count cpr and measuring BP as clinical skills), and then a couple of hours at a GP per week in second year learning basic examination of the main systems and also a few more clinical skills (Venepuncture, urinalysis etc). Don't you have an Osce in first year? :eek:

Glasgow would be a good choice, yep. How many people try and gun for Oxbridge or something?

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Original post by Asklepios
None at all in first year (unless you count cpr and measuring BP as clinical skills), and then a couple of hours at a GP per week in second year learning basic examination of the main systems and also a few more clinical skills (Venepuncture, urinalysis etc). Don't you have an Osce in first year? :eek:

Glasgow would be a good choice, yep. How many people try and gun for Oxbridge or something?

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Yeah but its basic stuff, BLS, BP, upper and lower limb neuro exams, urinalysis mainly, with a couple of extra ones thrown in there. In second year we do the main systems exams, like CVS, resp, abdo exams, and we will learn venepuncture next year I think.

And I think one or two normally try for Cambridge, I find it strange that Cambridge chuck out some of their preclin students but then take some from StA. I already know whos going to go for it, we've got one guy who wrote a paper in the summer of first year
Original post by purplefrog
It eventually all sinks and then you can do lots of interesting things with your understanding of basic function once you start throwing in lesions (damage) to different places :smile:

I found sticking to the basics helped - so just perhaps learn the main sensory and motor pathways and the surface anatomy of the cerebral cortex. The brainstem and cerebellar parts are the most complex (especially cerebellar histology). But once again with the brainstem, just focus on knowing the motor and sensory pathways and then everything else later. I found learning a pathway at a time more helpful than learning everything at a certain level as the latter is too disjointed.


Thank you! Taken today off doing any neuroanatomy so gonna be more systematic tomorrow and hope it starts to sink in! Need everything to click together.
Original post by noregrets
Thank you! Taken today off doing any neuroanatomy so gonna be more systematic tomorrow and hope it starts to sink in! Need everything to click together.


You'll probably need to review the content several times and take it in steps. It's one of those things that you need to rote learn first before you can properly start playing around with (kinda like gastro physiology imo).
I can't remember who it was, but somebody here posted a PDF a while back listing the 'top 5s' for a lot of clinical things... anybody know who/what I'm talking about and able to help out? :redface:
have a friend who's a third year med student
she was being an idiot and took a picture in anatomy lab
She was caught and awaits her fate...

Any ideas what will happen to her? a strong warning?
Original post by Cold Phoenix
have a friend who's a third year med student
she was being an idiot and took a picture in anatomy lab
She was caught and awaits her fate...

Any ideas what will happen to her? a strong warning?


I'm quite it's a breach of the law (Human Tissue Act?) to photograph in rooms protected by the law unless a special licence has been obtained. Potentially will be more than a strong wording. Photographic devises aren't allowed full stop. Not sure if people might be more lenient if it emerges the photos taken weren't of any of the donated tissues/cadavers..

Edit: Found this on a donor form from Newcastle medical school:
"The taking and displaying of images (including photographs, films and electronic images) is outside the scope of the Human Tissue Act 2004". Might just be a telling off in that case, and maybe a note put on their file depending on medical school protocol.
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Does anyone have any good methods of learning all of the origins/insertions/functions of the forearm muscles? Currently dying trying to learn them... :frown:
Original post by joeymr
Does anyone have any good methods of learning all of the origins/insertions/functions of the forearm muscles? Currently dying trying to learn them... :frown:


Most of the flexors are from the medial epicondyle (minus the pollicis etc) - and the clue is in their name e.g. flexor carpi ulnaris - Its a flexor so medial epicondyle in origin, carpi means the wrist so it's going to insert into the wrist (pisiform). And it says its a flexor so it is going to flex the wrist, but you can also think that because its attaching right on the outside of the palm too it can also adduct the wrist. Does that make sense?

Most the extensors are from the lateral epicondyle too!

The forearm isn't too bad. Just act out the actions for the functions while you are learning and even draw them on yourself! It really helps.
Original post by lcsurfer
Most of the flexors are from the medial epicondyle (minus the pollicis etc) - and the clue is in their name e.g. flexor carpi ulnaris - Its a flexor so medial epicondyle in origin, carpi means the wrist so it's going to insert into the wrist (pisiform). And it says its a flexor so it is going to flex the wrist, but you can also think that because its attaching right on the outside of the palm too it can also adduct the wrist. Does that make sense?

Most the extensors are from the lateral epicondyle too!

The forearm isn't too bad. Just act out the actions for the functions while you are learning and even draw them on yourself! It really helps.


Thank you! Yeah I'm just flashcarding them atm and noticing that most of the tend to come from the lateral/medial epichondyles so hopefully that will make my life a bit easier :smile:

The forearm isn't too bad?! Are you telling me it gets worse than this? :eek::colonhash:
Original post by joeymr
Thank you! Yeah I'm just flashcarding them atm and noticing that most of the tend to come from the lateral/medial epichondyles so hopefully that will make my life a bit easier :smile:

The forearm isn't too bad?! Are you telling me it gets worse than this? :eek::colonhash:


haha I had to all anatomy/physiology in one year... Physiology was my nemesis!
Anatomy wise I found the head and neck the worst, maybe neuroanatomy pips the post for worst anatomy!
Original post by purplefrog


Edit: Found this on a donor form from Newcastle medical school:
"The taking and displaying of images (including photographs, films and electronic images) is outside the scope of the Human Tissue Act 2004". Might just be a telling off in that case, and maybe a note put on their file depending on medical school protocol.


Does "outside the scope of" not essentially mean "forbidden by" in that context? I thought that statement supported what you originally said, not contradicted it...
Original post by Shengis14
I already know whos going to go for it, we've got one guy who wrote a paper in the summer of first year


Wut.

I briefly considering trying for it until I realised they look at extracurriculars and all I do in my spare time is watch crap films and eat popcorn.
Original post by joeymr
Thank you! Yeah I'm just flashcarding them atm and noticing that most of the tend to come from the lateral/medial epichondyles so hopefully that will make my life a bit easier :smile:

The forearm isn't too bad?! Are you telling me it gets worse than this? :eek::colonhash:



The braaaaaaaaaaaain. And cranial nerves.
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Original post by TattyBoJangles
Wut.

I briefly considering trying for it until I realised they look at extracurriculars and all I do in my spare time is watch crap films and eat popcorn.


You just need to spin that into EC's...
Film club? Appreciation of the fine arts (Orange is the new black has won some awards! so totally counts)
I managed to spin socialising and drinking with friends to a book club... Because we all technically read books, and occasionally talk about books, normally with a lot of wine.
Also a connoisseur of fine baking- aka I eat a lot of greggs
Original post by purplefrog
I can't remember who it was, but somebody here posted a PDF a while back listing the 'top 5s' for a lot of clinical things... anybody know who/what I'm talking about and able to help out? :redface:


hi wasn't me who posted but I have attached the pdf I have of the Top 5 for surgery and will send another pm with medicine... are these what you meant?

E.
Original post by purplefrog
I can't remember who it was, but somebody here posted a PDF a while back listing the 'top 5s' for a lot of clinical things... anybody know who/what I'm talking about and able to help out? :redface:


can you pm me your email. medicine top 5 is too big to post or pm here.
Original post by sweetchilli
hi wasn't me who posted but I have attached the pdf I have of the Top 5 for surgery and will send another pm with medicine... are these what you meant?

E.


That looks awesome, could I have the medicine one too? :smile:
Original post by xXxBaby-BooxXx
That looks awesome, could I have the medicine one too? :smile:


too big to post apparently so pm me your email and I'll forward it. :wink:
Original post by lcsurfer
You just need to spin that into EC's...
Film club? Appreciation of the fine arts (Orange is the new black has won some awards! so totally counts)
I managed to spin socialising and drinking with friends to a book club... Because we all technically read books, and occasionally talk about books, normally with a lot of wine.
Also a connoisseur of fine baking- aka I eat a lot of greggs


I like your style.

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