'Abandon Christianity, convert to Islam, or suffer the consequences.'

In every religion, there are people who go to extremes. Correct? Al-Qaeda is a terrorist organisation that has gone to extremes, so far, that by Islamic standards, they have strayed from the original religion of Islam. A person is not a believer in his own religion anymore if he takes religious matters into his own hands and start making his own "fatwas"/"doctrines". When this happens, when a person has been misguided about a certain point in an article, then he is enroute to deviating from the original path. This is what Al-Qaeda have done. Im sure the vast majority of Muslims around the globe would object to wat Al-Qaeda have to stand for. I certainly do. It is a sorry fact that many of the values of the original religion have been masked by the activites of that group.
Okay, also, what do most terrorist organisations want? Does Al-Qaeda want money? I somehow dotn think so. I dont see them robbign banks. There must be some fanatics out there who are crazy enough to fund these lackeys. Okay, so do Al-Qaeda want Publicity? I would safely say that they would. They want the world to know that they are around. That they are bringing judgement day to the non-muslims. They want the world to know their sick ways. They like to release tapes of their violence. Al-Qaesa also probably want "mass-conversion" of the human race. I somehow dont think I see this happening anytime soon. They are a society that have mixed up falsehood with Islam. The point Im trying to make is, that if your brother ate the last cookie in the cookie jar, that doesnt mean that you should be blamed for it? A feeble argument, yes, and slighlty clichéd but it gets the point through. What Al-Qaeda stands for is nothing compared to what the real Islam stands for. Islam shouldnt be labelled as a terrorist religion for the actions of others.

Here we go again...

1) Who speaks for the "original religion" of Islam?

2) If it's such a peaceful religion, how come so many people are reading so correctly into it as to get a violent message out of it?

3) Why is there a noticeable lack of "moderate" Muslims actively condemning the attrocities that the Muslims of the world are guilty of?

Simply put, thousands of Muslims go out on the streets condemning Israel for killing a few thousand Muslims (in a denfensive war, but that's not the point) and yet when Muslims kill each other, where's the condemnation?

Nowhere, that's where. Even when Muslims kill non-Muslims, the MCB and MAB all say the same thing; "Stop alienating Islam!", yet they refuse to stop alienating the Western world by demanding Sharia law to become applicable in Muslim dominated areas, and call for cartoons oftheir prophet to be banned because they are offended!

Im sorry, did I miss anything?

I speak for the original religion of Islam, I dont go around threatening people with a sword and saying convert in the name of Islam. I get your sort of comments all the time, but I take it on the chin. Because I know that I condemn them.

Pardon Me? I dont think you understand what Im trying to say. SO MANY PEOPLE ARE READING INTO TO IT INCORRECTLY? Im afraid that statement is wrong. Al-Qaeda are the only people who are reading into it wrong. Your local muslim could be a terrorist, but he could be a regular? The vast majority of people around the world reject the ideas of the fanatics! Jeez, youre making it sound like a disgusting religion? Howabout I relate to the christian crusades in history? The barbaris acts and murders that were said in the name of christianity just to reclaim some land in the middle east?? If the world took that stance, Im afraid we would be set in another dark ages.

Noticeable lack? I speak for myself and my religion. What else do you want me to do? Go tell it to the tom dick and harry (that are muslim) down the road. Muslims of the world? Guilty? Dont talk rubbish, you blaming all muslims for september 11? You blaming all muslims for the bombing of the S.S. Cole? You blaming all Muslims for the bali bombing in indonesia? You blaming the muslims of the world for the bombing of an embassy in africa? You blaming the MUSLIMS OF THE GODAMN WORLD for what the extremeist minorites do in their spare time? How narrow minded of you!

Im afraid that is the point.

They can ask for sharia law, but they will never be given it. I say that we live in another country, so follow the rules. And I dont exactly understand your last paragraph, what exactly are you trying to prove?

Whats wrong with issuing threats unless we all convert...you work it out, I don't think you need to be told.

Christians don't, as a rule, go around threatening people with physical harm unless they themselves become Christians.

you christians spend 2 much money to lure poor,so called "pagans " to embrace your faith and how much is that better from the threat of al-queda?
your prophet hugs a lamb before the masses and after the masses depart he kills it and eats it. you ppl sell poisoned bread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFXD_GUY6y8

This demonstrates my point rather well.

I'm sorry, but are you mental?

I'm sorry, but are you mental?

were not most of african tribesmen converted to christianity by the missionaries?what is their fate today?are they not dying?

Ah Ok......I see where you are coming from....You trying to tell me that i am wrong? In following my religion?

And I agree with you, many islamic groups ARE guilty of double standards. But it looks like you are bent on the idea that Islam is a terrorists religion, okay, every one to their own opinion, I respect that. But tell me, wat other millitant islamic organisation other than al-qaeda are there? Prove it! I dont think there are....

And yor point, "what gives me the authority to speak for Islam?" OMG...well....Im a muslim, so I have a say in it....duh!

No, and btw, we are not responsible....if so, then youre responsible for the crusades that happend 800 years ago?

Anyway, to end on a lighter note, this heated argument stays in THIS thread, and I wont, and I hope you wont judge me outside of this thread?

Yes, there are moderate Muslims, but at the moment they seem to be in a minority, and if they DO condemn the attacks on innocent people, they aren't very good at vocalising it.
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3) Why is there a noticeable lack of "moderate" Muslims actively condemning the attrocities that the Muslims of the world are guilty of?

I speak for the original religion of Islam.

Pardon Me? I dont think you understand what Im trying to say. SO MANY PEOPLE ARE READING INTO TO IT INCORRECTLY? Im afraid that statement is wrong. Al-Qaeda are the only people who are reading into it wrong. Your local muslim could be a terrorist, but he could be a regular? The vast majority of people around the world reject the ideas of the fanatics! Jeez, youre making it sound like a disgusting religion? Howabout I relate to the christian crusades in history? The barbaris acts and murders that were said in the name of christianity just to reclaim some land in the middle east?? If the world took that stance, Im afraid we would be set in another dark ages.

Oh yeh, and btw, you and your people dael with posts like this regualrly eh? So posting "crap" by your standards is a sin? Youre making it sound like my post is full of sh*t....

What makes your interpretation more valid than theirs? They've probably read more of the Quran than you and spent more time studying it, yet you claim that they are wrong, and they will claim the same thing about you. Saying something like "They don't speak for real Islam" means nothing, at all.

Al Queda isn't the only militant Islamic group killing hundreds of innocent people you know? They do it all the time, and there is a much bigger proportion of militant groups killing people in Islam than in any other mainstream religion. I wonder why that is....

And yes, the crusades were part of militant Christianity, but that was 800 years ago. Islam is still killing innocents to this present day.

What gives you the authority to speak for Islam? Oh right, you don't have any. As a religion/cult/group etc etc you are responsible for what your members do, you are lumped in with them. Yes, there are moderate Muslims, but at the moment they seem to be in a minority, and if they DO condemn the attacks on innocent people, they aren't very good at vocalising it.

Yes it is, where is the condemnation when Muslims kill each other, and lets get this straight, Muslims kill more of each other than Jews, Christian's and Atheists have over the past 50 years. No condemnation.

you christians spend 2 much money to lure poor,so called "pagans " to embrace your faith and how much is that better from the threat of al-queda?

your prophet hugs a lamb before the masses and after the masses depart he kills it and eats it. you ppl sell poisoned bread.

were not most of african tribesmen converted to christianity by the missionaries?what is their fate today?are they not dying?

Having had the experience of living in both of these countries i would like to inform you, though i strongly suspected your bigoted ego would find it difficult to digest, that the 'majority' are indeed law-abiding, god-feeling 'moderates', the frankly disgusting name you westerners give to any professed muslim bereft of a cloak, beard and hook.

lol, i'm sorry this is frankly farcical and really does a grave discredit to an otherwise reasonably sustained argument. You really should put down your copy of The Daily Mail and take a look at the wider world around you; that said even the Daily Mail occasionally back-up there assertions with the occasional fact or figure. I note with some despair such glaring ignorance from someone who would no-doubt flatter himself with the labels 'educated' and 'wordly'.

I wonder if i may ask by dint of what reasoning, source and logic you have arrived at such a laughable conclusion? May i perhaps direct your attention to the millions of muslims living peacefully in countries like indonesia, turkey, iran and saudia arabia. At the mention of those last two countries i imagine a knowing smirk will pass across your lips as you recall, perhaps with a hint of indignation, all the univocal alarmist propaganda you have been fed over the years by your western media. Having had the experience of living in both of these countries i would like to inform you, though i strongly suspected your bigoted ego would find it difficult to digest, that the 'majority' are indeed law-abiding, god-feeling 'moderates', the frankly disgusting name you westerners give to any professed muslim bereft of a cloak, beard and hook.

To understand a religion you have to understand the people and culture which gave rise to. The message of these cultures was never one of hostility. Over the years, and under western influence, cracks began to appear in these cultures and the agression you see today, shown by extremist fringe groups, was made manifest.

You asked why the lack of condemnation, perhaps you failed to hear the united condemnation expressed by the heads of every arab state after the 9/11 attacks? Or did your media not relay this message to you?

I don't want to pontificate i just feel it such a shame that people like you, who have access to such a plethora of resources, fail to make the smallest effort possible before launching into a diatribe against a religion you barely even know.