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Anyone else noticed that all these names in the maths books appear on newsrounds interviewee's
Reply 61
ingomania106
Anyone else noticed that all these names in the maths books appear on newsrounds interviewee's


lol good observation, i wouldn't mornally admit it, but i occasioanlly catch newround (its before neighbours!)
I live in London, have to say multiculturalism is doing pretty well here. Every white woman in the neighborhood has a black child, it seems.

Anyway, I have an ethnic name, it's nice to see them in books. If you are black/Asian and have a different name, you will be teased mercilessly. At least having a few mentions in a book is nice.
Reply 63
shady lane
I live in London, have to say multiculturalism is doing pretty well here. Every white woman in the neighborhood has a black child, it seems.


Wouldn't that be multiracialism? i wouldn't assume london was representative of the uk either, considering how many people there are recent immigrants. its like its own little world.

Anyway, I have an ethnic name, it's nice to see them in books. If you are black/Asian and have a different name, you will be teased mercilessly. At least having a few mentions in a book is nice.


Yeah, i agree theres no harm in having an ethnic name in a book. But it becomes sinister when the name is inserted for political rather than literary reasons.
Reply 64
Giliwoo
Patronising according to your definition? It makes a social statement. It reflects society as it is. This makes what were once foreign elements in our society, appear much less alien in the broader social context.

It doesn't reflect society, though. Society in this country is still overwhelmingly white and Anglo-Saxon. The textbooks I was referring to were for Scottish qualifications - a part of the UK that is 98% white; I don't think I ever had anyone who was Black or Asian in my classes in my entire school experience... no, scrub that, I had one who was called Michael.

It is not for bloody maths textbooks to socially engineer the population, they are there to teach mathematics.

Giliwoo
Every law passed is "social engineering": why single out this form as "a bad thing"?

No. I believe you're looking at the law from entirely the wrong angle. We do not socially engineer people not to attack one-another by introducing a crime of assault; what we do in these occasions is apply justice. That is not a social matter. The distinction, while perhaps philosophically blurred, is clear and evident to anybody.
Reply 65
Zebedee
Yeah, i agree theres no harm in having an ethnic name in a book. But it becomes sinister when the name is inserted for political rather than literary reasons.
Get a ****ing life. What is plitical about an occassional Ahmed in a math book? Jeez!
Reply 66
Don Bosco
Get a ****ing life. What is plitical about an occassional Ahmed in a math book? Jeez!


Uhmm... when its put in for political reasons?

If the author of the book choose to use certain names that fine, but when they are chosen and put into educational books with the express purpose of trying to be more "representative, diverse" etc then we have political correctness filtering throughout our lives.

Which is bad, imo. Political correctness is preventing us from confronting some of the real problems we face.
Reply 67
Zebedee
Which is bad, imo. Political correctness is preventing us from confronting some of the real problems we face.
1)Sorry about the swearing, and the insulting tone and content of my previous post.

2)Would you be kind enough to tell me what some of these problems are and the role played by political correctness in preventing their solution?
Reply 68
The immigration debate, the threats posed by parts of the islamic community, a general unwillingness to talk about these devisive issues for fear of being called racist or similar.

If we are to win the "war on terror" we first have to face up to problems at home and throughout europe. Political correctness is standing in the way of this.
Reply 69
shady lane
I live in London, have to say multiculturalism is doing pretty well here. Every white woman in the neighborhood has a black child, it seems.

How many also have black husbands/boyfriends?
Reply 70
Jokerman
How many also have black husbands/boyfriends?

What are you getting at? That black men have got white women pregnant and then run off? I don't think that's a very nice thing to imply, if that is indeed what you are saying.
Reply 71
stereotype, yes. Some truth to it? yes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4409505.stm

No, its not very nice. Does it create a problem for the country? yup.
Worzo
What are you getting at? That black men have got white women pregnant and then run off? I don't think that's a very nice thing to imply, if that is indeed what you are saying.


It's actualy not far from the truth. To be honest most African men think white women are easy, and they can get away with bad behavior with white women that their black women wouldn't stand for. We're talking about GCSE dropout girls who think black guys are "cool" and get pregnant to move up on the list for a council flat, to be honest.

But I do think the concept of multiculturalism in Britain will change in another generation when an increased number of "black" or "Asian" people will actually have one white parent.
Reply 73
Cadre_Of_Storms
i ahve to say the changing of baa baa black sheep was something that really made me gawp at the stupidity of it


I'm going to make a point of hunting these comments down.

The nursery did NOT change the lyrics of the song for politically correct reasons, they changed them as an exercise in expanding the children's vocab.

E.g.

Baa baa rainbow sheep
Baa baa happy sheep

and so on.

Naturally the story was pounced on by people who WANT political correctness to go mad because it gives them something to complain about.
Reply 74
All you people with these PC names are FOOLS , yes FOOLS hahaha

Michael Christopher Paul Jack Simon

These are the names that the people who complain of PC want to see in their maths books. These names arent native to the UK, there native to the Bible, there all prophets in the BIBLE, was the Bible written in the UK

!!NO!!
Reply 75
Political correctness all but ruined my secodary education. I attended a state comp with a high intake of inner-city dwelling students of Afro-Caribbean origin, intimidating little bastards they were too. To cut a long story (several long stories really) short, they were allowed to hurl all kinds of racist absue towards their white peers (e.g. "you can't sit here because you're white"), without any kind of reprimand from teachers, whereas more or less all the white kids had to do was look at a black kid for more than a second and it was deemed racism. It was totally pathetic; the majority of troublemakers in the school were black, but any time a teacher told them off they were automatically 'racist' (it was never because they were told off simply because they were misbehaving). Now, I'm not saying that if you were black you were indefinitely a naughty kid, nor that every bad kid was black. But that was the general pattern, and beacuae the threat of crying 'racism' was so omnipresent, the teachers eventually stopped telling off any distracting black student altogether.

Now, I was brought up in a liberal atmosphere, and like I said before, not every black pupil at my old school was bad news. But when you have to endure that sort of maddening situation every day for seven years, it is very difficult to leave without cursing political correctness, perhaps even feeling slightly intolerant of other races...

Please don't all jump on me and brand me racist, but this is my response to the titular question and I bet if any of you had been in the same position as me you would feel the same.
Reply 76
shady lane
I live in London, have to say multiculturalism is doing pretty well here. Every white woman in the neighborhood has a black child, it seems.

Anyway, I have an ethnic name, it's nice to see them in books. If you are black/Asian and have a different name, you will be teased mercilessly. At least having a few mentions in a book is nice.


Why would you get teased for having a different name? Any factual backing for the seeming assumption all white people are going to gang up on you if you aren't called smith? :rolleyes:.

Many of the kids at my school had Irish names, Indian/Pakistani names, Carribbean names...none of them got bullied 'cause they've a funny name innit bruv...'.
Reply 77
hanby
Political correctness all but ruined my secodary education. I attended a state comp with a high intake of inner-city dwelling students of Afro-Caribbean origin, intimidating little bastards they were too. To cut a long story (several long stories really) short, they were allowed to hurl all kinds of racist absue towards their white peers (e.g. "you can't sit here because you're white"), without any kind of reprimand from teachers, whereas more or less all the white kids had to do was look at a black kid for more than a second and it was deemed racism. It was totally pathetic; the majority of troublemakers in the school were black, but any time a teacher told them off they were automatically 'racist' (it was never because they were told off simply because they were misbehaving). Now, I'm not saying that if you were black you were indefinitely a naughty kid, nor that every bad kid was black. But that was the general pattern, and beacuae the threat of crying 'racism' was so omnipresent, the teachers eventually stopped telling off any distracting black student altogether.

Now, I was brought up in a liberal atmosphere, and like I said before, not every black pupil at my old school was bad news. But when you have to endure that sort of maddening situation every day for seven years, it is very difficult to leave without cursing political correctness, perhaps even feeling slightly intolerant of other races...

Please don't all jump on me and brand me racist, but this is my response to the titular question and I bet if any of you had been in the same position as me you would feel the same.


Thats awfull, i'm going to ask - do you agree with immigration? considering what has put you through?

Its situations like this that make me angry.
Reply 78
I was schooled in the era when PC started to show itself.

Names where changed in text books so that they were not ALL obviously white or names from the Bible. Now, they scatter these books with multiethnic names and if a John, Simon, Judas is show, the PC lot get their mitts on it, complain and have it changed??? why???

Companies were told (around the same time) that they had to employ a certain amount of ethnics in their workplace, regardless of whether or not they were 'right' for qualified for the job. My ex husband was told he had to EMPLOY a black man even though he was unqualified and totally wrong for the job, meaning that a white person missed out

On the school play ground, no one minded if you called them names or played 'British Bulldog'...it was part of school life.Now, you can be arrested for name calling and 'British Bulldog' is classed as assualt..!

Teachers had powers....in general, they were respected because they could haul us out of the class room by our ears and march us to the Head. Teachers today command NO respect as they are no longer allowed to control their classes. If I got a blackboard rubber thrown at me it was because I was being a twit and being distruptive

Schools did not employ Hindu, bengali speaking teachers at the cost to other departments. My daughters old school had to shut its remedial unit to pay for a Hindu speaking teacher and to also pay for chaparones for Islamic girls who were not allowed to be taught by men.....why???

Whole sections of cities were not habitated by Asians, whereas now, Bradford is predomenantly Asian and they even close the streets for their festivals. Blimey, in our day, you could only close your street for the Silver Jubilee. Case in point...Little old white lady in certain street collected pigs. Police told her to remove them from the windowsill of her house as the rest of the community found them offensive. THIS IS PC GONE MAD

Criminals were crimals, they were sentenced and lived in fairly harsh conditons. Why are criminals allowed TV's, radio's, jobs etc...Certain prisons are well known for being plush....if your in prison ..TOUGH

This is just a few examples of PC.........However, a more apt statement to make should be......

READ THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT for this country............The only people with NO rights are MIDDLE CLASS WHITES....

Thats me buggered then!

If I've offended anyone with these comments...my apologies, these are generic statements and not aimed at anyone, any colour
hanby
Political correctness all but ruined my secodary education. I attended a state comp with a high intake of inner-city dwelling students of Afro-Caribbean origin, intimidating little bastards they were too. To cut a long story (several long stories really) short, they were allowed to hurl all kinds of racist absue towards their white peers (e.g. "you can't sit here because you're white"), without any kind of reprimand from teachers, whereas more or less all the white kids had to do was look at a black kid for more than a second and it was deemed racism. It was totally pathetic; the majority of troublemakers in the school were black, but any time a teacher told them off they were automatically 'racist' (it was never because they were told off simply because they were misbehaving). Now, I'm not saying that if you were black you were indefinitely a naughty kid, nor that every bad kid was black. But that was the general pattern, and beacuae the threat of crying 'racism' was so omnipresent, the teachers eventually stopped telling off any distracting black student altogether.

Now, I was brought up in a liberal atmosphere, and like I said before, not every black pupil at my old school was bad news. But when you have to endure that sort of maddening situation every day for seven years, it is very difficult to leave without cursing political correctness, perhaps even feeling slightly intolerant of other races...

Please don't all jump on me and brand me racist, but this is my response to the titular question and I bet if any of you had been in the same position as me you would feel the same.


Replace "Afro-Carribean" for "wee troublemaking ****e (referred to as "ned", or "chav" in England)" and "racism/political correctness" for "social background/ political correctness" and that's my current situation. There is one Head of Year in my Year who takes it seriously, the other's basic approach (and I know this from personal experience) is:

1) Ned assaults pupil/ bullies pupil/ disrupts class/ assaults teacher.

2) Ned is sent to this Head of Year

3) "Now here's a few tickets to Celtic Park, and don't let it happen again."

And they wonder why they repeatedly offend when sent to her :rolleyes:. This opinion is shared by most of the non-neds, i.e. Normal People.

A lot of teachers have said the situation is a joke, or that discipline needs to be improved, etc. On one occasion, I said that I was sick of all the neds, and the fact that they got away with everything, and I was told "How dare you! These people have social problems and must be treated specially. There is no such thing as a ned." *******s. Thankfully quite a few teachers get that they're just cheeky ****es, and luckily it was one of them that found me being held against a wall and headbutted.

Finally, one major thing that pisses me off is:

1) I work my socks off on an assignment, report, project, or just in class in general.

2)Ned doesn't kill someone that week.

3)Ned gets school trip to Alton Towers, or Celtic Park.

4) I get bugger-all.

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