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Why would someone wants to be a doctor?

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Original post by Dalek1099
Doctors don't really get paid much more they get a good starting wage(£22,636)


No one starts on that after banding. Average junior doctor pay is around £30,000, which is a pretty excellent salary.

Original post by HandmadeTurnip
By keeping people alive for longer, and subsequently contributing to unsustainable population growth, aren't they kind of doing the opposite?


Medicine in the developed world is becoming like that. The aspects that focus on pre-retirees do save loads of money though - getting people back to work quicker, not losing years of training by unnecessary death, preventing disability (especially neurodisability - the burden of brain damaged population following diseases like malaria on developing countries is huge yet entirely preventable).

Original post by Nottie
Because medicine students actually want to help people and find human body interesting?

I hate all the people who when they find out I do medicine say "that's great at least you will have a lot of money". I don't care about money, I would do medicine even if it wasn't a paid job.


:thumbsup: Considered working in developing countries at all?

Contrary to the vibe of this thread, my experience was that most people doing medicine do genuinely do it so that they can personally help people. Most young people do not care about money - they barely understand it until they start needing to support a family/see their banker friends rolling it and get jealous.

Original post by reallydontknow
Take any random doctor I've doubt they've saved many (if any) lives. The scientists that made clean water possible, that discovered penicillin or other great discoveries have saved millions if not billions ]


Equally, take any random scientist, and its highly improbable they've done anything of impact either.

Penicillin was discovered by multiple people. The person most often given credit, Flemming, stumbled on it by pure accident and then despite the huge potential of what he discovered, failed to get it developed further, costing millions of lives.

I agree with an overall notion of saving lives not being just the realm of doctors though. Medicine is dependent on scientists, support staff, drug manufacturers, a functioning economy... any major contribution to our society saves lives indirectly. If you want to save the most lives, becoming as rich as you can be then donating all of your money to malaria charities would be the best way, not becoming a doctor OR scientist.

Original post by reallydontknow

Tbh apps are getting so good there's some that you out all your symptoms in and it can work out pretty accurately what's wrong with you.


Lol - have you actually tried those apps? Technology really isn't there yet.

I think of all professions, the one LEAST likely to be able to be replaced by machines in the next 30 years is the doctor. Literally every other profession is easier to replace. Medicine just involves too much humanity.
Original post by TheTechN1304
No idea tbh. My dad's a doctor and gets paid a very high salary (I doubt I'd ever be able to earn that much lol) but I still wouldn't want to be a doctor. He's out of the house from 7am - 9pm everyday, spends all day at home on the weekends working, and doesn't really seem to do anything else. Very unattractive lifestyle. I think it's bs that people do it because they love 'helping people'. There are lots of other jobs that allow you to help people, but because doctors have the potential to earn a lot, that's why people go for medicine.


Let's say it takes an hour to get to work (No idea how long it ACTUALLY takes your dad ofc.. ) Let's say he actually works from 8am - 8pm. That's 12 hours/day! Or 60 hours/week

Yeah your dad might be "highly paid" but is he really? ie: what is the salary amount per hour? You can most definitely get paid a lot better in other jobs

For a private doctor, yeah I agree, there is a LOT of money in being a doctor, but for NHS doctors, they don't get paid as much as people think they get paid.
Original post by Baby Milo
There's no serious money to be made by being a doctor. You start off on a fairly low salary, you have to train for years and years before reaching a much higher salary, at which point you'll be fairly old yourself and the cost of living will have increased at a higher rate than the wage itself anyway. The ones who make a lot of money are those that go on, like lawyers, to set up their own partnerships. In that case they're not only a doctor but they're also a director or possibly a managing director.

If you want to make serious money in this world you run your own business. I'm not saying doctors don't make good money but its not as good as people make out considering the hours they are expected to put in as well as the additional paperwork. To me there are three reasons why people want to become a doctor and they are status, opportunity and wanting to help others. Doctors are respected for what they do and rightly so. Doctors want to help others, even if that is minimal, they still do want to do that. If they didn't, they wouldn't get out of bed and put in the hours they do. In terms of opportunity, being a doctor opens up most of the world to you in terms of job prospects so you can go elsewhere in the world, especially if you're a specialist and make ridiculous amounts of money.


This. In other industries people start from a pretty modest salary of around 20-25K and boom 4-6 years later, they're on 65K+ car + private health care....

I've also been told that a doctor is essentially working every second of the day that they're awake ie: if they're out and about, and someone collapses,it's their duty to help that person (without pay)

Someone I know regularly carries a stethoscope with him, because as he puts it "In an emergency, people will listen to the guy with the stethoscope" (even if he doesn't need it) which makes a lot of sense.
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Original post by nexttime

I think of all professions, the one LEAST likely to be able to be replaced by machines in the next 30 years is the doctor. Literally every other profession is easier to replace. Medicine just involves too much humanity.


Quite surprisingly, the industry that is also one of the LEAST likely to be replaced by machines is IT. It's kinda funny in a way

See:

http://www.futuretech.ox.ac.uk/sites/futuretech.ox.ac.uk/files/The_Future_of_Employment_OMS_Working_Paper_1.pdf

But I guess that's because IT is working with the machines and not against them - Also, IT people need to preserve their jobs some way and bull**** a reason to HR :tongue:
Original post by HandmadeTurnip
By keeping people alive for longer, and subsequently contributing to unsustainable population growth, aren't they kind of doing the opposite?


Only true for developing countries
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Because people enjoy that job and enjoy helping people and making a difference. life isn't just about money.
Original post by xylas

Name one.


Law.
Not everyone who wants to have a career in the medical industry does it because of 'money' I think people over look that!!! Don't you actually think that some people might want to be a doctor or nurse because of the care and compassion that they hold?? Really, think about that, not everyone wants money, some people just want a career that they find fulfilling! I myself am hoping to be a nurse, for the fact of what it gives back to the community! The thought of caring for individuals, helping individuals and being an amazing nurse substitutes for the long hours and the low pay! I don't care about pay as high or as low as it is, that's not what will fulfil me in life, but nursing is something that will!

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Original post by Gaiaphage
Sounds like OP just got rejected from medschool and is a little butthurt


Lol exactly . sounds like his dream of becoming a doc have been shuttered

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Original post by Baby Milo
To be honest, I don't regard a 5 figure salary of any kind as excellent. In today's world where globalisation is continuously happening and setting up your own business is pretty easy if you put the hours in, a 6 figure salary within a few to several years is a real possibility. Even if only your turnover was 6 figures but profit was 5 figure I'd rather be the owner of an asset turning over 6 figures per annum than someone being salaried by someone else. With most things in life, the more you put into something, the more you get out. Generally speaking, the ones who do the best out of their degrees are the ones who take the knowledge and skills they've obtained and use that to start their own business. Lawyers go and form partnerships. Doctors go and set up private practices. Accountants set up their own firms. Very few people get rich by lining the pocket of someone else and that is essentially what you're doing when you're salaried and employed by someone else.


This is quite fair... Tbh, I reckon Id be quite happy with 45K tbh. Also RE: business, it's about getting the right clients, setting up the business, knowing exactly how to run it etc... Sure, that's quite easy, with a small little shop, but not if you want to earn more than how much you were salaried at...


Original post by Baby Milo

You may think that is an excellent salary but for the hours doctors put in, many people think it isn't excellent. You can earn a lot more in other areas and have a better work/life balance. The only doctors I know who are happy are those running their own practices in the private sector. Those in the public sector are more often than not moaning about overzealous bureaucracy.


This. Ive been told that if I bothered to pursue ACTUAL certifications (As opposed to just experience and the uni name), then a recruiter could bag me another 5K, pushing starting earnings to.... £30-320000 doing less hours, and in a less stressful environment

Yeah I've been on placement, but doctors are on placement from day one. I was on placement in the middle of my uni degree

Also, you can get a lot of bureaucracy any where tbh. The only difference is in private companies, there are varying levels of bureaucracy, from company to company, but in the public sector, there's only so many "companies" and if you're a doctor, you're hardly going to be working for Lloyds bank (Tax payer owned still??)
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Original post by The_Internet
Let's say it takes an hour to get to work (No idea how long it ACTUALLY takes your dad ofc.. ) Let's say he actually works from 8am - 8pm. That's 12 hours/day! Or 60 hours/week

Yeah your dad might be "highly paid" but is he really? ie: what is the salary amount per hour? You can most definitely get paid a lot better in other jobs

For a private doctor, yeah I agree, there is a LOT of money in being a doctor, but for NHS doctors, they don't get paid as much as people think they get paid.


60hrs per week as well as pretty much of all Saturday and Sunday spent working. I have no idea what his salary per hour is, but is that relevant? He has two salaries: NHS salary which is quite low (£100k) plus private practice salary
Original post by The_Internet

I've also been told that a doctor is essentially working every second of the day that they're awake ie: if they're out and about, and someone collapses,it's their duty to help that person (without pay)


Arguably moral duty yes, but legally its only your duty if you are a GP and you are in the catchment area of your current job.


Someone I know regularly carries a stethoscope with him, because as he puts it "In an emergency, people will listen to the guy with the stethoscope" (even if he doesn't need it) which makes a lot of sense.


Would i carry a stethoscope? No. A pair of gloves +/- apron, goggles and a full hazmat suit? **** yes.
Original post by trustmeimlying1
1) True...I mean maybe computer science/investment but them aside...

2) Yep

3) haha true.

4) Hmm status....security....money...

5) Still the hours would kill me mentally...I want to have the freedom to do outside of work things too.

So yeh all high paid high security jobs like medicine are gonna be tough but personally Id rather do nursing or pharmacy or teaching or whatnot. Time is priceless in this world not money.


Are you sure about nursing? I heard nursing is very stressful job with little pay. Could be wrong on that though.
It's well known, very respected and pays pretty well. Lol at the discussions about money though. If you're capable of getting an offer for medicine, you would have been more than capable of landing a back office banking role, and even that pays more than being a doctor... less hours too.
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Original post by TheTechN1304
60hrs per week as well as pretty much of all Saturday and Sunday spent working. I have no idea what his salary per hour is, but is that relevant? He has two salaries: NHS salary which is quite low (£100k) plus private practice salary


£100K isn't low at all..

And wow. So that's mor like... 72 hours!!! Almost double what most workers do normally, in terms of hours. £100K is more like... 50K elsewhere then, if he's doing that many hours

What I was getting at is, sure he is getting paid a really nice wage, but then at the same time, it's not LOADS of money, considering he's working that many hours and he works at a private practise as well

For me, if I was working absolutely every single day of the week, I couldn't do that. You could pay me £1,000,000/year and I couldnt do that (Well I could retire early eventually I guess) But let's say I am earning 1 million/year. What's the point of earning that much and not really being able to do any thing with your money because you're always working?

Sorry if it sounds like Im attacking your dad. Im really not. I just dont understand the appeal. I mean it's great, that you earn x, but then when you don't even have the time to actually SPEND x, then it's like what's the point?
Original post by nexttime
Arguably moral duty yes, but legally its only your duty if you are a GP and you are in the catchment area of your current job.




Would i carry a stethoscope? No. A pair of gloves +/- apron, goggles and a full hazmat suit? **** yes.


Yeah course!

He didnt say that he definitely had to had to had to do it,but it's sorta...expected of him
Original post by xylas
Wow time to put some balance to this thread.

1) Yes doctors work hard, but so does every other high-paying profession. If you disagree, name one.



IT, engineering, aviation etc... All do around 40 hours/week, with less stress etc...

Quite a few of these are less stressful than being a doctor as well:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2868911/Best-paid-UK-jobs-2014-Compare-pay-national-average.html

Maybe not for the "brokers" and the like, but for quite a lot of them, you do incur less stress. In the private sector, you also tend to get nice extras like "bonuses" and/or a company car and/or private healthcare and/or certain benefits ie: 25% off all brand new Vauxhall vehicles like at my last job, childcare vouchers etc...
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Original post by Baby Milo
There's no serious money to be made by being a doctor. You start off on a fairly low salary, you have to train for years and years before reaching a much higher salary, at which point you'll be fairly old yourself and the cost of living will have increased at a higher rate than the wage itself anyway. The ones who make a lot of money are those that go on, like lawyers, to set up their own partnerships. In that case they're not only a doctor but they're also a director or possibly a managing director.

If you want to make serious money in this world you run your own business. I'm not saying doctors don't make good money but its not as good as people make out considering the hours they are expected to put in as well as the additional paperwork. To me there are three reasons why people want to become a doctor and they are status, opportunity and wanting to help others. Doctors are respected for what they do and rightly so. Doctors want to help others, even if that is minimal, they still do want to do that. If they didn't, they wouldn't get out of bed and put in the hours they do. In terms of opportunity, being a doctor opens up most of the world to you in terms of job prospects so you can go elsewhere in the world, especially if you're a specialist and make ridiculous amounts of money.


Agreed. Add to that the extra years of study and training required and the academic record needed to study medicine in the first place, and you really have to conclude that from a purely financial standpoint it makes little sense. It has to be a matter of interest and other factors including prestige and job security. In opening your own practice, you trade that security for income.
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It's something they want.
It's something they enjoy.
It's something to make a lot of money with.
It is a noble profession.
It gives you social prestige.
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but of course there are many reasons why not to become a doctor.
Original post by Baby Milo

You may think that is an excellent salary but for the hours doctors put in, many people think it isn't excellent. You can earn a lot more in other areas and have a better work/life balance. The only doctors I know who are happy are those running their own practices in the private sector. Those in the public sector are more often than not moaning about overzealous bureaucracy.


Your expectations are way off mark for most people.

I agree if you want to be a billionaire/millionaire then obv medicine is not the way to go. However, it gets you a salary that from day 1 is 25% more than the national average, increasing at a rate of around 20% per year at first up to a basic wage that puts you in the top 1% of earners. That's excellent. Perhaps not to you, but to 99% of the population it very much is. That's with no job searching, no uncertainty, no failed business (like most startups do). The stability is unrivalled. Even if the government goes ahead with its plans for a huge pay slash, it will still be an amazing deal.

Original post by The_Internet
This is quite fair... Tbh, I reckon Id be quite happy with 45K tbh.


Average pay of a part-time GP working 3 days a week is almost exactly 45K :wink:

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