What support systems are available for LGBT muslims?

There is no such thing as a completely objective fact. Everything can be proven or disproven depending on your perspective. To me, sexuality is inherent but that is based upon my interpretation of evidence. If something can be proven or back up by evidence it's a fact. but it's still a result of someone's interpretation. Facts are subjective.

I don't understand how evidence backing up a claim can be a result of someone's interpretation? Is the claim that water boils at 100 degrees C just an interpretation? What was the interpretation that led to the claim that the Sun is at the centre of the solar system? Are these really 'subjective' claims?

Facts cannot be subjective. Subjective means mind-dependent, or a matter of opinion. If something is a matter of opinion, like music taste or taste in art, then it is not a matter of fact. Matters of fact are objective.

Not true! Lots of other muslims agree with me and many, because of "culture" are not willing to openly reveal who they are and what they believe. Thats why we can get muslim lesbians marrying men! Its "cultural" pressure and its evil, yes!
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I would agree that it's not racist, but I do think it's colonialist. Of course individual postings on TSR don't have much power, but they are an expression of opinion of an individual in a democracy and part of a general culture which adds up and does amount to real power in terms of which foreign policies are popular and so on. Your comment is just like saying that it's pointless to vote because each vote doesn't have the power to win an election.

I'm not suggesting other cultures are delicate flowers, I'm claiming that we ought not to be culturally insensitive because of the danger inherent in our own culture, as history attests, of being colonialist.

Culutral sensitivity is a good thing, especially given the history you mention. But how do yoou propse handling - say - the knowledge that HIV is spread by sexual intercourse in cultures where it's believed that it is the result of witchcraft? i assume you dont object to telling people in those communities about germ theory and the value of condoms?

Colonialism has left us with a messy legacy. But to suggest we should therefore have a 'no touch' policy is daft. Whether we like it or not, the whole world has been broken open and liberal hand-wringing about colonial guilt will only leave the field open to the really Bad Guys (as well as the powerful elites within those countries themselves) - the evangelical Christians of the US, big oil, big agriculture, big arms sellers, and disaster capitalists.

Back on topic, do you really think 'indigenous' beliefs like social ostracism and the stoning of gay people should be left to sort themselves out?

It's easy to point to examples where our intervention would do good, however my point is that, given our history, it's dangerous to give in to that since we should expect that the proposition that we ought to intervene for the good of others, once justified in our minds, will lead to more harm than good. It's not a proper evaluation for you to simply mention the good we could do, you have to measure that against the negative results of our foreign policy and I think once we think of it like that it's better to just leave people to themselves, yes.

It's easy to point to examples where our intervention would do good, however my point is that, given our history, it's dangerous to give in to that since we should expect that the proposition that we ought to intervene for the good of others, once justified in our minds, will lead to more harm than good. It's not a proper evaluation for you to simply mention the good we could do, you have to measure that against the negative results of our foreign policy and I think once we think of it like that it's better to just leave people to themselves, yes.

It's easy to point to examples where our intervention would do good, however my point is that, given our history, it's dangerous to give in to that since we should expect that the proposition that we ought to intervene for the good of others, once justified in our minds, will lead to more harm than good. It's not a proper evaluation for you to simply mention the good we could do, you have to measure that against the negative results of our foreign policy and I think once we think of it like that it's better to just leave people to themselves, yes.

Yes I do.

You should respect other cultures because otherwise we are in danger of a colonialist mindset. In the west we kill way more people than those cultures do with our foreign policy, which profits in its popular support from colonialist attitudes like yours.

Your purity is high. But in practice, there is no 'safe' option. Your purity simply leaves poor people to the tender mercies of the big oil companies, the arms traders, the forest clearers, the mineral extractors, the grossly corrupt and the rest of the extinction merchants.

Thank you for making me laugh so much! Hahahahahaha.

So you are willing to accept an ideology that kills homosexuals and apostates? Oh please, get in the bin. You respect cannibals? No offense, but are you insane? Just because something exists does not mean it should be respected. If a cannibal ate your mother or someone you cared about, would you go up to the cannibal and say "I respect that"? No.

Rubbish. Respect is always earned and never given freely.

That's the definition of respect which you clearly believe in, I'm suggesting that the world would be a better place if we had a view of respect which didn't involve colonialist attitudes about our cultural supremacy.

No, your talking about tolerance, not respect. We must not tolerate or respect any ideas or actions that aren't worth it. Is not about colonialism, it's about human decency.

Rubbish. Respect is always earned and never given freely.

Your view of human decency is just your culture's view. Thinking that you have a right to impose your culture's view on others is indeed colonialist.

Not necessarily! That's why we have Human rights and Equality law! Otherwise we end up with opinionated circular arguments about how people should be treated or viewed based on dubious "cultural" ideas!