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Congrats! was it your preferred option?
Original post by ceonuse
Yes. Exeter
Original post by Anonymous
Congrats! was it your preferred option?

Yep! Purely because of William Morris and JRR Tolkien. I know that’s not a good reason to choose a college haha.
Hahaha I think it is a valid reason! Has anyone else heard back already?
Original post by ceonuse
Yep! Purely because of William Morris and JRR Tolkien. I know that’s not a good reason to choose a college haha.
any news on funding?
nope
Original post by Anonymous
any news on funding?
Hey everyone, just discovered gradcafe and this thread today. I was accepted for a socio-legal Mphil. When I interviewed, they told me that there had been over 50 applications for the MPhil, they interviewed the top 8 candidates, and they could make 4 offers for 3 spots. (not sure how that works?) So very selective. Since someone else in the thread said they got an acceptance, it seems 2 of the 4 are here!

I've been allocated to Regent's Park college. Looking forward to starting at Ox next year.
any idea when the funding decisions will be released?
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Original post by Anonymous
any idea when the funding decisions will be released?


Hey there! I'm a MSc in IHRL candidate, so it may be different from the DPhil funding, but I was told halfway through March that I was nominated by the law faculty for the Clarendon and was told yesterday I hadn't made the shortlist, so I'm assuming Clarendon decisions have been sent out.
Original post by mjaekjlg
Hey there! I'm a MSc in IHRL candidate, so it may be different from the DPhil funding, but I was told halfway through March that I was nominated by the law faculty for the Clarendon and was told yesterday I hadn't made the shortlist, so I'm assuming Clarendon decisions have been sent out.

thanks for sharing this, i hope you get another scholarship!

has anyone from other degrees heard of any funding news yet? i’m particularly curious about mphil/dphil.
So, if you're thinking about accepting your offer to the DPhil in Law at Oxford, I wanted to share my experience. Unfortunately, I have to say that I've been pretty disappointed with the program, and I think it's important for others to have all the facts before they accept their offers. This does not apply for MPhils and DPhils in Socio-Legal Studies which might be a completely different experience.

So, about the program itself - it's not very structured. As you know, you only have one mandatory course in legal methods during your first year. After that, you are on your own. You meet with your supervisor once a month if you're lucky, but it can be as infrequent as once every three months or even once a year. Professors are really busy with their teaching workload, and tend to prioritize BCL and BA students which makes it hard to get the support you need. Remember that Oxford has a tutorial system in which professors are expected to teach one to one tutorials on top of their lectures and sometimes even seminars. On top of that they have to worry about their own research so not a lot of time for PhD students. Of course, this can be different if you have a really wonderful supervisor who goes the extra mile for you but we aware of the structural demands of professors at Ox.

I want to highlight three main issues you should think about before applying. First, every year you have to pass three "tests" to continue with the program ( as you know, these are the QT, confirmation and the final viva). If you fail, you can be downgraded to a Master of Letters (M.Litt) or not allowed to continue the program at all. The problem is that there are no clear indications of what makes a "good" research proposal, which can be really stressful so keep this in mind. Think basically that after 1, 2 or 3 years you can be downgraded to an M.Litt and not being able to continue with your doctorate- and yes sadly this happens- after that you will not get any fees back of course for your "lost" years. I still think that the majority of the students pass these exams and are allowed to graduate, or I hope at least.

Second, the program is too expensive in my opinion, especially if you're an international student for what you get in return. Even with scholarships, living in Oxford is very expensive. The quality of supervision and courses for DPhil students is basically not existent- we don't even get an office and you are always hearing that the Law Faculty doesn't have money for DPhil students. There's also a myth that graduating from Oxford will allow you to work in top universities around the world as an academic, but I would take that with a grain of salt. Many go back to practicing law because the job prospects in legal academia are very limited right now. Some work at Oxford temporarily, but the pay for post-docs and professors is really low. (There was an article on The Economist about this that you could look at titled Oxford Diversity Crisis, I think)

Finally, there's no impartial mechanism for complaints about supervisors. This creates a lot of arbitrariness in an already unequal power relationship, and it's easy for supervisors to get away with neglect and bad supervision. I have heard horror stories, and basically there are not any accountability mechanism for supervisors doing a bad job. You should check with current DPhil students about potential supervisors but to be honest nobody is going to tell you that they have a terrible supervisor because at the end of the day we depend on our supervisors (for letters of recommendations, etc.) and it is not good practice to talk bad about our boss. My advise would be to try to be strategic and smart asking for information about potential supervisors. (I tried to post here some information about names that I have heard are good and bad for supervision but that infringes the community rules of TSR so sadly I am not allowed to share this information)

A few final tips - take a look at the current DPhil theses in Law and ask yourself if they're interesting to you, and do the same for the publications of the professors you want to work with. If you're an international student, be realistic about the costs and funding. Oxford's funding is scarce, so look for programs that offer full scholarships where you don't have to pay tuition in the UK, or even programs in continental Europe, like France, Germany, etc., that offer PhD programs in English.

I don't want to discourage anyone, but I hope this information is helpful to anyone considering accepting their offers. Finally, remember that your worth as a person or as an academic does not depend on being tied to prestigious universities or places. I say this because this is a struggle for many PhD students who put themselves in bad situations financially and emotionally just to have "an elite school" title attached to their names and in my view it is not worthy at the end of the day :smile:
Original post by Anonymous
So, if you're thinking about accepting your offer to the DPhil in Law at Oxford, I wanted to share my experience. Unfortunately, I have to say that I've been pretty disappointed with the program, and I think it's important for others to have all the facts before they accept their offers. This does not apply for MPhils and DPhils in Socio-Legal Studies which might be a completely different experience.

So, about the program itself - it's not very structured. As you know, you only have one mandatory course in legal methods during your first year. After that, you are on your own. You meet with your supervisor once a month if you're lucky, but it can be as infrequent as once every three months or even once a year. Professors are really busy with their teaching workload, and tend to prioritize BCL and BA students which makes it hard to get the support you need. Remember that Oxford has a tutorial system in which professors are expected to teach one to one tutorials on top of their lectures and sometimes even seminars. On top of that they have to worry about their own research so not a lot of time for PhD students. Of course, this can be different if you have a really wonderful supervisor who goes the extra mile for you but we aware of the structural demands of professors at Ox.

I want to highlight three main issues you should think about before applying. First, every year you have to pass three "tests" to continue with the program ( as you know, these are the QT, confirmation and the final viva). If you fail, you can be downgraded to a Master of Letters (M.Litt) or not allowed to continue the program at all. The problem is that there are no clear indications of what makes a "good" research proposal, which can be really stressful so keep this in mind. Think basically that after 1, 2 or 3 years you can be downgraded to an M.Litt and not being able to continue with your doctorate- and yes sadly this happens- after that you will not get any fees back of course for your "lost" years. I still think that the majority of the students pass these exams and are allowed to graduate, or I hope at least.

Second, the program is too expensive in my opinion, especially if you're an international student for what you get in return. Even with scholarships, living in Oxford is very expensive. The quality of supervision and courses for DPhil students is basically not existent- we don't even get an office and you are always hearing that the Law Faculty doesn't have money for DPhil students. There's also a myth that graduating from Oxford will allow you to work in top universities around the world as an academic, but I would take that with a grain of salt. Many go back to practicing law because the job prospects in legal academia are very limited right now. Some work at Oxford temporarily, but the pay for post-docs and professors is really low. (There was an article on The Economist about this that you could look at titled Oxford Diversity Crisis, I think)

Finally, there's no impartial mechanism for complaints about supervisors. This creates a lot of arbitrariness in an already unequal power relationship, and it's easy for supervisors to get away with neglect and bad supervision. I have heard horror stories, and basically there are not any accountability mechanism for supervisors doing a bad job. You should check with current DPhil students about potential supervisors but to be honest nobody is going to tell you that they have a terrible supervisor because at the end of the day we depend on our supervisors (for letters of recommendations, etc.) and it is not good practice to talk bad about our boss. My advise would be to try to be strategic and smart asking for information about potential supervisors. (I tried to post here some information about names that I have heard are good and bad for supervision but that infringes the community rules of TSR so sadly I am not allowed to share this information)

A few final tips - take a look at the current DPhil theses in Law and ask yourself if they're interesting to you, and do the same for the publications of the professors you want to work with. If you're an international student, be realistic about the costs and funding. Oxford's funding is scarce, so look for programs that offer full scholarships where you don't have to pay tuition in the UK, or even programs in continental Europe, like France, Germany, etc., that offer PhD programs in English.

I don't want to discourage anyone, but I hope this information is helpful to anyone considering accepting their offers. Finally, remember that your worth as a person or as an academic does not depend on being tied to prestigious universities or places. I say this because this is a struggle for many PhD students who put themselves in bad situations financially and emotionally just to have "an elite school" title attached to their names and in my view it is not worthy at the end of the day :smile:


asking out of curiosity: what kind of structure could they provide for the cohort as a whole? at the end of the day it’s a research degree and everyone has their own agenda, distinct doctoral projects and tailored needs to achieve these. inevitably students depend on their supervisor and i feel that wherever you go similar issues will arise. if you could point out to what you would suggest as a better alternative i think it would be more helpful for future applicants in their research on phd programmes and managing their expectations.
any funding news?
Original post by Anonymous
asking out of curiosity: what kind of structure could they provide for the cohort as a whole? at the end of the day it’s a research degree and everyone has their own agenda, distinct doctoral projects and tailored needs to achieve these. inevitably students depend on their supervisor and i feel that wherever you go similar issues will arise. if you could point out to what you would suggest as a better alternative i think it would be more helpful for future applicants in their research on phd programmes and managing their expectations.


Sure! Specific training for Law PhD students could be one thing, I know that LSE has seminars in which PhD students present their ongoing work and they receive feedback from Faculty and students. Oxford doesn't have anything like this specifically for DPhils. The methods course is for MPhils and DPhils from Socio-Legal, Criminology and it is taught in a large auditorium so it becomes like an introductory lecture instead of a more tailored course to improve the research of DPhil students. At the end of the course you do have a chance to present your research but you don't get really any feedback from Faculty and at least in my year nobody payed attention to others presentation (because of the large number of people that were just waiting their turn to present). An option would be to "improve" the methods course separating students by research topic/area for a more tailored support.

This is to "improve" Oxford, but other universities have also seminars from leading academics in their fields in which PhD students can see what "good" research looks like in their field. That is, they have some pointers of what to aspire to.

Also remember that Oxford accepts about 40 students and about 30 accept their offers each year (DPhil in law) so it is a very large cohort which might be the reason why it is harder for create seminars or other type of resources for DPhil students in contrast to other PhDs like LSE or Kent's or Toronto's or Yale's where they admit I think 3-4 students fully funded students per year.

In the end I just think that is good to know what to expect. I just think that for the price (25.000 pounds per year) for international students I am basically just having access to the library and some minimum support from my supervisors) remember also that my experience is just one experience and if you have a great supervisor thing can and hopefully will be better for you :smile:
Original post by Anonymous
asking out of curiosity: what kind of structure could they provide for the cohort as a whole? at the end of the day it’s a research degree and everyone has their own agenda, distinct doctoral projects and tailored needs to achieve these. inevitably students depend on their supervisor and i feel that wherever you go similar issues will arise. if you could point out to what you would suggest as a better alternative i think it would be more helpful for future applicants in their research on phd programmes and managing their expectations.


p.s: we don't even have an office or designated spaces in the library of the Law Faculty, but some colleges do have spaces and shared offices for DPhil students that you can apply to (I know Wolfston has this system)
Original post by Anonymous #14
So, if you're thinking about accepting your offer to the DPhil in Law at Oxford, I wanted to share my experience. Unfortunately, I have to say that I've been pretty disappointed with the program, and I think it's important for others to have all the facts before they accept their offers. This does not apply for MPhils and DPhils in Socio-Legal Studies which might be a completely different experience.

So, about the program itself - it's not very structured. As you know, you only have one mandatory course in legal methods during your first year. After that, you are on your own. You meet with your supervisor once a month if you're lucky, but it can be as infrequent as once every three months or even once a year. Professors are really busy with their teaching workload, and tend to prioritize BCL and BA students which makes it hard to get the support you need. Remember that Oxford has a tutorial system in which professors are expected to teach one to one tutorials on top of their lectures and sometimes even seminars. On top of that they have to worry about their own research so not a lot of time for PhD students. Of course, this can be different if you have a really wonderful supervisor who goes the extra mile for you but we aware of the structural demands of professors at Ox.

I want to highlight three main issues you should think about before applying. First, every year you have to pass three "tests" to continue with the program ( as you know, these are the QT, confirmation and the final viva). If you fail, you can be downgraded to a Master of Letters (M.Litt) or not allowed to continue the program at all. The problem is that there are no clear indications of what makes a "good" research proposal, which can be really stressful so keep this in mind. Think basically that after 1, 2 or 3 years you can be downgraded to an M.Litt and not being able to continue with your doctorate- and yes sadly this happens- after that you will not get any fees back of course for your "lost" years. I still think that the majority of the students pass these exams and are allowed to graduate, or I hope at least.

Second, the program is too expensive in my opinion, especially if you're an international student for what you get in return. Even with scholarships, living in Oxford is very expensive. The quality of supervision and courses for DPhil students is basically not existent- we don't even get an office and you are always hearing that the Law Faculty doesn't have money for DPhil students. There's also a myth that graduating from Oxford will allow you to work in top universities around the world as an academic, but I would take that with a grain of salt. Many go back to practicing law because the job prospects in legal academia are very limited right now. Some work at Oxford temporarily, but the pay for post-docs and professors is really low. (There was an article on The Economist about this that you could look at titled Oxford Diversity Crisis, I think)

Finally, there's no impartial mechanism for complaints about supervisors. This creates a lot of arbitrariness in an already unequal power relationship, and it's easy for supervisors to get away with neglect and bad supervision. I have heard horror stories, and basically there are not any accountability mechanism for supervisors doing a bad job. You should check with current DPhil students about potential supervisors but to be honest nobody is going to tell you that they have a terrible supervisor because at the end of the day we depend on our supervisors (for letters of recommendations, etc.) and it is not good practice to talk bad about our boss. My advise would be to try to be strategic and smart asking for information about potential supervisors. (I tried to post here some information about names that I have heard are good and bad for supervision but that infringes the community rules of TSR so sadly I am not allowed to share this information)

A few final tips - take a look at the current DPhil theses in Law and ask yourself if they're interesting to you, and do the same for the publications of the professors you want to work with. If you're an international student, be realistic about the costs and funding. Oxford's funding is scarce, so look for programs that offer full scholarships where you don't have to pay tuition in the UK, or even programs in continental Europe, like France, Germany, etc., that offer PhD programs in English.

I don't want to discourage anyone, but I hope this information is helpful to anyone considering accepting their offers. Finally, remember that your worth as a person or as an academic does not depend on being tied to prestigious universities or places. I say this because this is a struggle for many PhD students who put themselves in bad situations financially and emotionally just to have "an elite school" title attached to their names and in my view it is not worthy at the end of the day :smile:

I’m sorry but even as someone doing a DPhil who questions and complains about so much I can can unequivocally say this is the most hyperbolic cabal message I have ever seen. To all looking for guidance on the DPhil I would stay clear of such a message. The research is on you inherently so the onus to need specific structures in place demonstrates an internal structural issue. The QT, confirmation processes are nowhere near as dramatic as this message comes across. If you’ve ever worked in other fields (non academic) the DPhil pressure won’t be too hard to get used to. Please don’t listen to the fear mongering and pursue advance studies at one of the best if not thee best institution in the world!
Wondering if anyone has applied for the 2024 MPhil in Socio-Legal Research? Maybe a new forum page somehwere I haven't seen since the deadline is at the end of the week Friday 19th?
Original post by Anonymous #16
Wondering if anyone has applied for the 2024 MPhil in Socio-Legal Research? Maybe a new forum page somehwere I haven't seen since the deadline is at the end of the week Friday 19th?
I have applied for the DPhil in Law for 2024 entry, but would be great to have a forum!
Hello! I have been waitlisted for both Dphil Law and Mphil Law 2024. Can someone please share the fate of the waitlisted applicant's from the previous years' experiences? Do I stand any chance? Thanks.

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