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Which uni will lead to better graduate prospects

I am an international student coming to the uk in fall 24 to study masters in
advanced computer science.

I have 12 offers but the ones I'm seriously considering are University of Manchester,University of Liverpool, University of Nottingham and Qmul. I will save about 15k if i pick liverpool over the other two.

1. Is paying close to 50k overall (for Manchester or qmul) worth it? ( Liverpool will be about 35k overall)
2. Will it lead to better job prospects than if i were to go to Liverpool.
3. How much do employers care about uni rankings and prestige since Manchester
is way higher ranked and prestigious.

I don't mind paying extra if it leads to substantially better career outcomes. Looking desparately for advice since I need to respond to my offers. Also have an offer from Kcl but that's completely unaffordable. How much does faang and big tech companies care about uni rankings. Will I be fine I go to any rg.
Reply 1
Original post by Naviisia
I am an international student coming to the uk in fall 24 to study masters in
advanced computer science.

I have 12 offers but the ones I'm seriously considering are University of Manchester,University of Liverpool, University of Nottingham and Qmul. I will save about 15k if i pick liverpool over the other two.

1. Is paying close to 50k overall (for Manchester or qmul) worth it? ( Liverpool will be about 35k overall)
2. Will it lead to better job prospects than if i were to go to Liverpool.
3. How much do employers care about uni rankings and prestige since Manchester
is way higher ranked and prestigious.

I don't mind paying extra if it leads to substantially better career outcomes. Looking desparately for advice since I need to respond to my offers. Also have an offer from Kcl but that's completely unaffordable. How much does faang and big tech companies care about uni rankings. Will I be fine I go to any rg.

First of all how KCL unaffordable compare to QMUL? Both are London based Uni.
amongst all, I think Manchester has better ranking. Uni ranking definitely play a big role in initial stage of your career but after few years, it's all about experience in the field and your skills.

So go with your own guts and choose the best amongst all if you can afford. Between KCL and QMUL, I would recommend KCL. Amongst all, Manchester
Reply 2
Original post by subodhr
First of all how KCL unaffordable compare to QMUL? Both are London based Uni.
amongst all, I think Manchester has better ranking. Uni ranking definitely play a big role in initial stage of your career but after few years, it's all about experience in the field and your skills.

So go with your own guts and choose the best amongst all if you can afford. Between KCL and QMUL, I would recommend KCL. Amongst all, Manchester

I'm an international so the tuition fee for me is insanely high. Qmul is 28.2k and kcl is 37k, qmul has on campus accomodation which is also much cheaper than the accoms near kcl
Reply 3
Original post by Naviisia
I'm an international so the tuition fee for me is insanely high. Qmul is 28.2k and kcl is 37k, qmul has on campus accomodation which is also much cheaper than the accoms near kcl

Accommodation in London is also MUCH more expensive than Manchester.
And yes, unfortunately international student fees are ridiculously expensive as compared to home student fees, regardless of Uni.

Also, as someone who hires STEM students and graduates for a large corporation, personally I don't care much about the Uni that the candidate graduated from, neither about it's ranking. As long as the course is accredited by a relevant institution you will be fine.

If you're applying for an internship, things I care about:

Your level of education (Bachelors, Masters) and achieved and predicted grades (1st is better of course, but anything above 2:1 is acceptable).

Your project experience at Uni, i.e. evidence of you applying what you learnt in practice.

Any relevant extracurricular activities. For Computer Science that may be some extra coding in your free time, having a GitHub page with commits, some evidence that you're actually passionate about the subject of your degree.

Solid communication skills and career plan driven by your passion towards engineering. In other words ability to sell yourself in an interview to the prospective employer.


If you're applying for a graduate programme or full time position, it's all of the above plus:

Relevant work experience, ideally through an internship, but can be anything else as long as it's relevant to your degree.

Evidence of adding value to the company you worked at in the past, using the skills that you acquired at Uni.

Solid performance in the interview.

Reply 4
Original post by ThatguyAl
Accommodation in London is also MUCH more expensive than Manchester.
And yes, unfortunately international student fees are ridiculously expensive as compared to home student fees, regardless of Uni.

Also, as someone who hires STEM students and graduates for a large corporation, personally I don't care much about the Uni that the candidate graduated from, neither about it's ranking. As long as the course is accredited by a relevant institution you will be fine.

If you're applying for an internship, things I care about:

Your level of education (Bachelors, Masters) and achieved and predicted grades (1st is better of course, but anything above 2:1 is acceptable).

Your project experience at Uni, i.e. evidence of you applying what you learnt in practice.

Any relevant extracurricular activities. For Computer Science that may be some extra coding in your free time, having a GitHub page with commits, some evidence that you're actually passionate about the subject of your degree.

Solid communication skills and career plan driven by your passion towards engineering. In other words ability to sell yourself in an interview to the prospective employer.


If you're applying for a graduate programme or full time position, it's all of the above plus:

Relevant work experience, ideally through an internship, but can be anything else as long as it's relevant to your degree.

Evidence of adding value to the company you worked at in the past, using the skills that you acquired at Uni.

Solid performance in the interview.


Thank you so much for the answer, a few follow up questions. I check all boxes in the first category (I hope) i.e I have a 1st in bsc, many projects including publications, active GitHub/freelance project, pretty decent communication skills. As for the 2nd part, I've done 3 internships as a software engineer intern working in data science, full stack and then backend, but all the internships are back in my home country, so will they add any value according to you or will they be disregarded since it's not uk experience. Your answer has been very helpful and i think I'll go ahead with Notts but I'd really appreciate it if you could answer the internship bit. Thanks :smile:
Reply 5
Original post by ThatguyAl
Accommodation in London is also MUCH more expensive than Manchester.
And yes, unfortunately international student fees are ridiculously expensive as compared to home student fees, regardless of Uni.

Also, as someone who hires STEM students and graduates for a large corporation, personally I don't care much about the Uni that the candidate graduated from, neither about it's ranking. As long as the course is accredited by a relevant institution you will be fine.

If you're applying for an internship, things I care about:

Your level of education (Bachelors, Masters) and achieved and predicted grades (1st is better of course, but anything above 2:1 is acceptable).

Your project experience at Uni, i.e. evidence of you applying what you learnt in practice.

Any relevant extracurricular activities. For Computer Science that may be some extra coding in your free time, having a GitHub page with commits, some evidence that you're actually passionate about the subject of your degree.

Solid communication skills and career plan driven by your passion towards engineering. In other words ability to sell yourself in an interview to the prospective employer.


If you're applying for a graduate programme or full time position, it's all of the above plus:

Relevant work experience, ideally through an internship, but can be anything else as long as it's relevant to your degree.

Evidence of adding value to the company you worked at in the past, using the skills that you acquired at Uni.

Solid performance in the interview.


Also would you care if i applying for the job from a different city i.e will someone studying in Manchester get more preference for applying to a job in Manchester or will I be just fine even if i apply from Leeds/Notts etc
Reply 6
Original post by Naviisia
Thank you so much for the answer, a few follow up questions. I check all boxes in the first category (I hope) i.e I have a 1st in bsc, many projects including publications, active GitHub/freelance project, pretty decent communication skills. As for the 2nd part, I've done 3 internships as a software engineer intern working in data science, full stack and then backend, but all the internships are back in my home country, so will they add any value according to you or will they be disregarded since it's not uk experience. Your answer has been very helpful and i think I'll go ahead with Notts but I'd really appreciate it if you could answer the internship bit. Thanks :smile:

As I like to say - the laws of physics apply everywhere. What I mean by that is a STEM work experience is a STEM work experience. It's not like you studied law or accounting in your home country and now want to do that in another country.
As long as you can provide with evidence of you applying the skills in practice and talk about that in an interview, highlighting your level of expertise and quantifying your impact - that's all I want to see. Granted, some employers are pickier than the others, so when it comes to applying for jobs I strongly suggest applying to as many jobs as you can BUT (!) without compromising the quality of your application. Also, don't get discouraged about getting rejected. In my experience and from experience of people that I know, the average success rate is about 10-20%, meaning if you apply for 30 jobs you will probably end up with 2-3 job offers give or take. It's a game of statistics these days I'm afraid.
And no, it doesn't matter if you're a student from London applying for a job in Scotland or the other way around. Employer expect you to agree to move closer to where their office is unless it's a 100% remote position.

Also, when looking for jobs, I suggest you to apply for internships too as a backup plan in case you can't get a graduate level job. Even though they are tailored for students in their 2nd or 3rd year, they will definitely consider a graduate and you will have an edge over the competition. An internship only lasts 12 months and closer to the end of it you will have very good chances on staying with the company in a permanent role or transition to the internal graduate programme as an option. We do that for our interns who have already graduated, it makes sense for us to do that - save a lot of trouble in looking for graduates and the person who's completed the internship already knows a lot about the company and the products we develop & deliver to our customers.
Original post by Naviisia
I am an international student coming to the uk in fall 24 to study masters in
advanced computer science.

I have 12 offers but the ones I'm seriously considering are University of Manchester,University of Liverpool, University of Nottingham and Qmul. I will save about 15k if i pick liverpool over the other two.

1. Is paying close to 50k overall (for Manchester or qmul) worth it? ( Liverpool will be about 35k overall)
2. Will it lead to better job prospects than if i were to go to Liverpool.
3. How much do employers care about uni rankings and prestige since Manchester
is way higher ranked and prestigious.

I don't mind paying extra if it leads to substantially better career outcomes. Looking desparately for advice since I need to respond to my offers. Also have an offer from Kcl but that's completely unaffordable. How much does faang and big tech companies care about uni rankings. Will I be fine I go to any rg.

So right off the bat I would be inclined to say Manchester because of the strength of its Computer Science department above and beyond the aforementioned names. That being said if you are self-funding your studies you also need to factor in living costs. The best thing to do might be to possibly speak to the Careers Service at each of the above universities to gauge the prospects of those graduating from the programme, or perhaps, go onto LinkedIn and search out graduates from those programmes and universities and see what they are doing now and perhaps reach out to them for advice? Also at a very specialised level such as this you want to do your postgrad in a department and university that will provide adequate networking opportunities and opportunities to further study. Of the ones you mentioned the only one that really ticks all those boxes is Manchester. KCL is a great university in general but isn't immediately noted for the strength of its CompSci department. Neither are Nottingham, Liverpool and QMUL. QMUL is only really boosted by the fact it's based in London.

Manchester is a great university all round and has a world-class CompSci department. Living costs in Manchester will be significantly cheaper in Manchester than in London and probably comparable to Liverpool.
Reply 8
Original post by King_George_Weah
So right off the bat I would be inclined to say Manchester because of the strength of its Computer Science department above and beyond the aforementioned names. That being said if you are self-funding your studies you also need to factor in living costs. The best thing to do might be to possibly speak to the Careers Service at each of the above universities to gauge the prospects of those graduating from the programme, or perhaps, go onto LinkedIn and search out graduates from those programmes and universities and see what they are doing now and perhaps reach out to them for advice? Also at a very specialised level such as this you want to do your postgrad in a department and university that will provide adequate networking opportunities and opportunities to further study. Of the ones you mentioned the only one that really ticks all those boxes is Manchester. KCL is a great university in general but isn't immediately noted for the strength of its CompSci department. Neither are Nottingham, Liverpool and QMUL. QMUL is only really boosted by the fact it's based in London.

Manchester is a great university all round and has a world-class CompSci department. Living costs in Manchester will be significantly cheaper in Manchester than in London and probably comparable to Liverpool.

Thank you so much for the advice. I've already done exactly what you've said. I've talked to many LinkedIn folks, some of whom said save the 15 grand and go to a cheaper uni since they're all rg, and the slight advantage isn't worth the 15k. But then when I look at LinkedIn stats for uni Mcr grads, they are in phenomenal places (like a massive bunch of them) compared to Notts or QMUL, but then some people have made it to the same places from UoN or even non-Rg-unis. I would love to attend mcr, and while applying, I planned to accept their offer blindly in case I got one; still, the recent market condition makes it a big gamble since I'll be taking a loan for the total amount, so if I go to mcr and land the same job that I can from a cheaper uni, it'll be a waste of the 15k. I know no one else can make this decision for me, but I'm just looking for insight, on whether the slight advantage is worth the 15k difference. Thanks again for taking the time to respond. Cheers
Reply 9
Original post by ThatguyAl
As I like to say - the laws of physics apply everywhere. What I mean by that is a STEM work experience is a STEM work experience. It's not like you studied law or accounting in your home country and now want to do that in another country.
As long as you can provide with evidence of you applying the skills in practice and talk about that in an interview, highlighting your level of expertise and quantifying your impact - that's all I want to see. Granted, some employers are pickier than the others, so when it comes to applying for jobs I strongly suggest applying to as many jobs as you can BUT (!) without compromising the quality of your application. Also, don't get discouraged about getting rejected. In my experience and from experience of people that I know, the average success rate is about 10-20%, meaning if you apply for 30 jobs you will probably end up with 2-3 job offers give or take. It's a game of statistics these days I'm afraid.
And no, it doesn't matter if you're a student from London applying for a job in Scotland or the other way around. Employer expect you to agree to move closer to where their office is unless it's a 100% remote position.

Also, when looking for jobs, I suggest you to apply for internships too as a backup plan in case you can't get a graduate level job. Even though they are tailored for students in their 2nd or 3rd year, they will definitely consider a graduate and you will have an edge over the competition. An internship only lasts 12 months and closer to the end of it you will have very good chances on staying with the company in a permanent role or transition to the internal graduate programme as an option. We do that for our interns who have already graduated, it makes sense for us to do that - save a lot of trouble in looking for graduates and the person who's completed the internship already knows a lot about the company and the products we develop & deliver to our customers.

Thank you for the response again; I've seen a bunch of posts on Reddit where people have applied to 400+ places before landing interviews or securing offers, so I'm prepared to do that. I've decided to prepare for interviews, grind LC, etc, till August and start applying for jobs/internships the second I get there. Liverpool does have the option for a placement year where I can get local experience, but I kind of thought, why waste a year being on intern salary when I can make grad salary instead. Plus, I feel that Notts will be a slightly better option at the same cost as Liverpool, but I'd be losing out on the placement year option. However, I think that I can do an internship on the PSW either way, even if I go to Notts and if I'm unable to find a grad job right after. Thank you so much again. I really needed the perspective of someone who is in hiring. Last question: how big of a disadvantage does needing a sponsorship post-PSW put me in the perspective of hiring managers?
Original post by Naviisia
Thank you so much for the advice. I've already done exactly what you've said. I've talked to many LinkedIn folks, some of whom said save the 15 grand and go to a cheaper uni since they're all rg, and the slight advantage isn't worth the 15k. But then when I look at LinkedIn stats for uni Mcr grads, they are in phenomenal places (like a massive bunch of them) compared to Notts or QMUL, but then some people have made it to the same places from UoN or even non-Rg-unis. I would love to attend mcr, and while applying, I planned to accept their offer blindly in case I got one; still, the recent market condition makes it a big gamble since I'll be taking a loan for the total amount, so if I go to mcr and land the same job that I can from a cheaper uni, it'll be a waste of the 15k. I know no one else can make this decision for me, but I'm just looking for insight, on whether the slight advantage is worth the 15k difference. Thanks again for taking the time to respond. Cheers

I'd argue that one of the reasons there are more graduates from higher ranking Unis who get into a more "privileged" career is less to do with the Uni itself but more to do with the personality and commitment of such students.
Higher ranking Unis attract more goal oriented people, which could be one of the reasons. At the same time, someone who doesn't have a career goal wouldn't care much about what Uni they attend (or not attend any Uni at all for that matter) so they go wherever is more convenient for them, usually to a local college or Uni.

Personal example, I graduated with BEng (1st) in EEE from Manchester Metropolitan Uni which is not even close to be in high ranks, yet I was able to get 5+ graduate job offers with companies like GE, Thales, Arup, Nissan and some others I can't remember now. People from my class that I know personally now work for BAE, Siemens and Arup in very good positions too. For a full picture I also must mention that at least half the guys I studied with struggled a lot and barely graduated and I doubt they were able to find any engineering job at all.

Having said that, building relationships at Uni may play a good role in your long term career too. Not right off the bat after you graduate, but say a few years into the industry you realise you want to switch and so you can easily reach out to one of your mates you made friends with at Uni and get an inside view to potentially get fast tracked employed at that company where they work.

Regarding your choices, as you say it's your call to make, but also consider spending money on your education as an investment in yourself, rather than an expense. The investment will return with good profits long term if that makes sense.

Some bits of advise for the future job hunting

Being able to relocate around the country for your graduate job opens up a huge amount of opportunities. You'd be surprised to know how many people don't want to move outside of their home town. We sometimes struggle to find talent because the people we want to hire just don't want to move 😕

Also, remember that every industry needs engineering professionals. That includes healthcare, manufacturing, energy, oil & gas, infrastructure, transport, etc., etc. Don't limit yourself to the big five tech companies only or to the most publicly known ones like Tesla and such. There is a whole lot of opportunities outside of that and the competition is not as dire.



Original post by Naviisia
Thank you for the response again; I've seen a bunch of posts on Reddit where people have applied to 400+ places before landing interviews or securing offers, so I'm prepared to do that. I've decided to prepare for interviews, grind LC, etc, till August and start applying for jobs/internships the second I get there. Liverpool does have the option for a placement year where I can get local experience, but I kind of thought, why waste a year being on intern salary when I can make grad salary instead. Plus, I feel that Notts will be a slightly better option at the same cost as Liverpool, but I'd be losing out on the placement year option. However, I think that I can do an internship on the PSW either way, even if I go to Notts and if I'm unable to find a grad job right after. Thank you so much again. I really needed the perspective of someone who is in hiring. Last question: how big of a disadvantage does needing a sponsorship post-PSW put me in the perspective of hiring managers?

No issue with PSW at all. See for yourself - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/register-of-licensed-sponsors-workers
There are close to 100k companies who are A-tier sponsors for Tier-2 work visa. It's not a big deal and most big companies will financially sponsor the visa applications for you and any dependants (partner, kids, etc.).

Regarding the people on reddit who apply to 400+ jobs - be careful where you get your data from. Only the people who were not successful will complain and write sob stories on the internet. The successful ones are silent and busy working. Sorry if I made it sound condescending, I understand the job market can be harsh, but as I said - don't limit yourself to the big tech companies only and focus on the quality of your application before quantity. Definitely don't send out your generic resume to hundreds of job opportunities, this is unlikely to work.

Regarding the placement year. The only advantage you get from your University including that in your curriculum is that you can stay on your tier-4 student visa while being on the placement. That's it. No other advantages. As well as anyone else you are free to apply for internships regardless if that placement year is integrated in your curriculum or not. I'd suggest don't discard internships completely as they can be a good back up plan in case things go sideways.
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