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Are nurses jealous of us?

Its how British people are in general, inverted snobbery, people tend to look down their noses at people more qualified/better paid/higher ranking/higher class/better looking/more power et cetra et cetra.

There seems to be a fixation on other people rather than being the best you can be and bettering ones self.

Reply 21

fuzzybear

12

Original post by Seher

Just to throw this out there... why is it that doctors/med students are supposed to be so carefully humble about their profession? I understand that they shouldn't be arrogant or rude about their salary etc. but surely in a personal sense anybody who chooses ANY career and is as motivated to pursue it as doctors have to be these days (not unlike other top paid professions) WOULD believe that other professionals have reason to be jealous of them because they think their job is the best out there, if they didn't they would've picked something else?

I'd expect the same from top class city lawyers, etc or anyone who's worked exceptionally hard to get where - they think its something amazing and that's why they choose it! in their eyes it is the best. I see it all the time that it's "allowed" for other science students or pharmacists to knock medics for various things, but when they do it back (in a banter sort of way) it's automatically arrogant? Why shouldn't nurses be a bit more humble too rather than just dare a med student to say the slightest thing so they can chew them up about it?

Not sure if I've explained this well lol I'm sleepy :tongue:

No, because if they managed to make it to become a corporate high flyer or whatever, then they should have the brain power to work out that people aren't homogenous beings with the same desires and aspirations. On the bit about why doctors are expected to be humble, that probably comes down to the belief that they should be understanding individuals with a great sense of empathy - such characteristics that aren't associated with the self-loving-egotistical type.

Reply 22

wheelspin

OP

Original post by mogambo

Hmmm I think it works both ways though....I've met some really awful matrons! Snobbish as hell....with their noses in the air towards everyone as well as docs who completely ignore you and think that they own certain wards.

I work as a HCA at the mo and I was asked if I'd like to do an assistant practitioner course (it's like 2 years with a GNVQ ETC... I did consider it but I cba :tongue:

) to which I replied no at that point and that I would actually like to do medicine....the nurse gave me some very dodgy looks indeed...followed by asking me about my academic info and upon finding out that I'm already a graduate.... more dodgy looks followed with some snide remark about how everyone only goes into medicine because of the prestige & money and that the people that care for patients are actually the nurses, HCA's etc...and that doctors just sign forms & are late for everything!!! I did not know what to say to her without going mad...at which point I had to attend a patient so I was kind of relieved but I can't believe some people like her have that attitude.

this..lol

Reply 23

wheelspin

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Original post by Seher

of course they are. I'm just saying that other professionals are "allowed" knock someone who makes more money than them of whatever, but it's automatically seen as arrogant and egoistical the other way round. Of course there's a line and you shouldn't be rude, but in terms of banter - why can't a doctor think doctors are better than nurses, nurses think the vice versa, and they all just agree to disagree cos let's face it - it's THEIR job, THEY love it.

don't u think they would rather be docs :wink:

Reply 24

ilickbatteries

15

I imagine some are.

When you're working around someone who is (or is going to be) much more qualified, and earn a lot more money, it'd be hard not to be.

I work in a pharmacy and it's hard not to be jealous of pharmacists who do surprisingly little work for the amount of money they get. Though, of course, part of that large wage is a huge weight of responsibility.

Reply 25

Miss_Scarlett

15

Dude, I get on with nurses just fine.

All they want is a little respect. Which sometimes I guess they dont always get from Doctors or Med students.

Edit: Oh and the sentiment that "people go into medicine for the money" well yeh, the fools might do so, but the astute amongst us will recognise there are a lot easier ways to make dollar.

(edited 12 years ago)

Reply 26

abc:)

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Original post by Seher

I don't mean only high earners should be proud of their jobs, just that they should be allowed some bragging rights too. Nurses are "allowed" (it's seen as socially acceptabe) to go on about how incompetent doctors are, but a doctor isn't even allowed to think that nurses have a reason to be jealous of doctors?

Maybe in the profession... I'm not in the profession and I wouldn't see this as acceptable at all :s-smilie:

Reply 27

fuzzybear

12

Original post by Miss_Scarlett

Dude, I get on with nurses just fine.

All they want is a little respect. Which sometimes I guess they dont always get from Doctors or Med students.

Edit: Oh and the sentiment that "people go into medicine for the money" well yeh, the fools might do so, but the astute amongst us will recognise there are a lot easier ways to make dollar.

such as....? :rolleyes:

Reply 28

Friar Chris

19

Original post by fuzzybear

such as....? :rolleyes:

1. Join the [Labour/Conservative] party.

2. Charm party officials, be put in safe seat and elected.

3. Agree with everything the party leadership ever says; soon a cabinet position.

4. General Election or 2.

5. ???

6. Profit

:biggrin:

Reply 29

fuzzybear

12

Original post by Friar Chris

1. Join the [Labour/Conservative] party.

2. Charm party officials, be put in safe seat and elected.

3. Agree with everything the party leadership ever says; soon a cabinet position.

4. General Election or 2.

5. ???

6. Profit

:biggrin:

not bad i guess, only one flaw - the odds of succeeding this way are about 1 in 100000000

Reply 30

Helenia

20

The relationship between nurses and doctors is very complex and couldn't simply be summed up as "jealousy" or any single other emotion. The relationships do also vary quite significantly depending on the sex of both parties involved. Whatever it is, all you can do is try your best to work with them, which is what the patients need.

Reply 31

kidoo

14

Medicine is not the route to making big bucks....Sure you'll probably have a comfortable life but not extravagant.

If you want the dollar go into IB / stocks

Reply 32

Friar Chris

19

Original post by fuzzybear

not bad i guess, only one flaw - the odds of succeeding this way are about 1 in 100000000

Far less genuine talent and effort than is required to be a good physician, though :tongue:

.

Reply 33

Miss_Scarlett

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Original post by fuzzybear

such as....? :rolleyes:

lol anything that doesn't involve 5 years of training, FY1 FY2...Plus the crap load of student fees one will owe as a result.

Dont roll your eyes atme its annoying when people think MEDICINE= MONEY. It does not, or if it does you have to train for 10-12 years before you get into the dizzy heights.

Reply 34

GodspeedGehenna

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Original post by wheelspin

don't u think they would rather be docs :wink:

Smarmy little scrote.

Reply 35

graemematt

12

It's so true, just to reflect what other people have said...there are some arrogant medical students who genuinely beliueve that having a steth around their necks makes them superior to everyone on the ward who isn't a doctor, and it ruins the doctor-nurse relationship for the rest of us. Sad. I'm fairly sure that the specialist nurse in IBD, for example, knows more about IBD than the gastro SHO, and maybe even on a par with the gastro registrar (or near enough...)!

All I know is that, on day one of being a doctor, I'm marching onto my ward and making friends with all the nurses I can find. It'll make my life 100x easier, without a shadow of a doubt :biggrin:

Reply 36

graemematt

12

Original post by wheelspin

don't u think they would rather be docs :wink:

No way! Nurses get breaks on rotas, they see patients more often than doctors (to administer drugs/set up drips etc etc), they "generally" have less clinical responsibility, and short of being a consultant/GP, they get paid something near to doctors during the first 5-10 years of postgraduate training.

I think they're quite happy being nurses really...

Reply 37

TattyBoJangles

19

When I was on work experience, it seemed that everyone got on really well and there was no real conflict between doctors and nurses. The ward sister did say to me, "When you qualify, don't turn onto 'the arse'." :lol:

So I suppose they have had some experiences.

I'm friends with about 3/4 nurses, and they all say that they "could never" be a doctor. The more senior one says he is happy to help student doctors out and likes helping them learn, although if someone's arrogant / cocky, this feeling quickly disappears.

In short, if you're not "the arse", I'd imagine it's not *that* bad. Although I suppose you'll always get a bit of conflict.

Reply 38

hali0112

15

I spoke to someone that told me that many senior doctors treat the nurses badly so the stress and pressure needs to be released somewhere. so they take it out on the medical students/junior doctors who are at the bottom of the pecking order. I am a first year medic. when I was working as a receptionist in a nursing home during my gap year, the nurses were at the 'top' of the rank. some treated the HCAs and me like we were worthless and knew nothing. like we weren't even worthy of their attention. we had doctors visits once a week when the doctor would come in and see the patients. then the nurses were all 'yes doctor' , 'no doctor'. they were so respectful and treated him like he was a king or something. also when I was having a jab done I mentioned to the nurse that I was a medical student. I could see the anger and hatred in her eyes. I seemed to have redeemed myself and she was really nice to me. but initially I could see that she wasn't happy. but having said that I love nurses. when my grandfather died they were very good and really made a difference. they also know a lot. they many not have the same amount of scientifc training as us but they have so much practical experience and they are often liked more by patients than doctors because they are so good with people. I've spoken to so many people who have said that their doctor lacks people skills.

(edited 12 years ago)

Reply 39

MJHERBZ

7

When I was on my work experience (hopeful medic) most of the nurses were nice and friendly though some could be a little condescending. They seemed to enjoy mocking more junior doctors, criticizing the fact they looked so young. They even went as far as to laugh at the new registrar, commenting that they thought he was a medical student. I don't think it was meant maliciously, but it often seemed a little unprofessional.

But that said, 80% of the nurses which I encountered were lovely towards me, even though they probably detested the fact I was eagerly following doctors. Nurses in clinic seemed particularly friendly, I only sensed a little bitterness on the wards.

Though one particular nurse was horrible to me for no apparent reason. I turned up at the time I was instructed to by a doctor and found they were a little way into ward rounds. The nurse then started telling me off for being late and saying how I don't have a real enthusiasm for it etc etc. Which all seemed totally uncalled for. ¬¬

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