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Reply 41
Original post by Anonymous
If you were in my position, you'll understand that there comes a point in every guy's life when he just can't take rejection any more. So then he needs to approach the issue by using anger, frustration, hatred and jealousy to guide him. And seeing as I can't show any of those sides of my personality to a girl (she would run away instantly), I take out all of those emotions on an escort and come back feeling renewed. Which is why I definitely need to go and have angry sex this weekend before I can "work my rejection muscle" again.

All muscles get tired eventually, and I haven't been promised any land by anyone - so how do I know I will reach it? :smile:


Dont do something stupid...just because girls don't like you. In my opinion I'm nor sure if your looking for your type. If your into the ones who slap on 5inches of make-up and the thick blonde ones. Then forget it. I don't understand where your so desperate for an intimate relationship. I mean I'm 20 and i could not care less, i rather complete my studies first.

I know the above won't solve your problem, but you just need to pick yourself back up and move on. Life doesn't just end if people don't like you.

PM me if theres anything i could help you with:smile:

P.S This might sound stupid but what type of girls are you after?
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Lol about the escort...
yeah I would just be patient, have you tried getting a secure job, and then signing up for legit local dating sites?
Reply 43
Sounds like me, except I haven't asked a girl out because of worries in the first place. Closing off from girls is something it seems I've done automatically
Reply 44
Original post by redferry
No. I don't know what kind of weird scool you go to, but the bit in italics just doesn't happen.

Why does the fact he is happy single make him oblivious? You are obviously just needy and desperate, which is probably why you cant get a girlfriend, seems to me you are the oblivious one.


Original post by redferry
The thing is I am in OPs shoes, no-ones interested in me. And my best friend even more so, he is 23 and never had a gf, he doesn't care. OP needs to get over it and get on and enjoy his life.

It wasn't my brother, I just took issue with the fact because I am happily single and in no way oblivious. Not needing anyone else to be happy is a good thing.


I never meant to cause any offence by saying your brother is oblivious - I meant it in the nicest possible way. Maybe I should have phrased it better - what I meant was that I envy him for being happy without a girlfriend. I would love to be happy as a single man, but it's becoming clear more and more that I can't be.

Frankly, there's no need for you to go on the offensive like that. It's very easy for you to say "get over it", but you're not a man like I am so you don't know how important a genuine relationship is to me. And if you're so happy being single, how can you claim to be in my shoes?

You obviously didn't read my OP carefully enough - I am at uni, not school. There is a massive culture of guys drinking themselves into the ground and girls finding this so attractive. I'm in a department where loads of guys are good with the ladies just because they drink heavily and/or play sports, even though some of them treat the girls so badly. Obviously these guys don't go out with 2-3 girls at the same time, but I have seen friends of mine being extremely flirty with several girls in the first few weeks of term and end up dating many of them in turn, one after the other, within about 6 weeks. It might not happen where you come from, but it certainly does here.

So as you claim to be in my shoes, you tell me - why are guys/girls like you and me always rejected when others can attract the opposite sex so easily?
Reply 45
Original post by Umer786
Dont do something stupid...just because girls don't like you. In my opinion I'm nor sure if your looking for your type. If your into the ones who slap on 5inches of make-up and the thick blonde ones. Then forget it. I don't understand where your so desperate for an intimate relationship. I mean I'm 20 and i could not care less, i rather complete my studies first.

I know the above won't solve your problem, but you just need to pick yourself back up and move on. Life doesn't just end if people don't like you.

PM me if theres anything i could help you with:smile:

P.S This might sound stupid but what type of girls are you after?



You're assuming that I always ask out the wrong type of girl, but believe me - that's definitely not the case. I have only ever asked out intelligent, beautiful (without ****-loads of make-up), thoughtful, self-respecting and fun-loving girls. Plus I'm not attracted to girls who hide behind layers of make-up and party every night of the week - I like a girl who always has a respectable appearance. I'm generally very self-confident with my friends (male or female), so there's nothing wrong on that front.

I really respect you for putting your studies first and not caring much about girls. I wish I could have that attitude, as it would help my depression so much. Maybe I'm desperate to have a relationship because I'm expected to get married in the next 10-15 years and I don't want to have my parents set up an arranged marriage for me, just because I couldn't find a girl who would genuinely love me. I can either experience a real relationship and get married out of love, or spend the rest of my life with a partner I don't know very well.

And I'm not looking for a relationship just to have sex with a girl - I feel that I'm not loved enough by my family and friends, so I need some form of contact that I can call more than friendship. They will never understand what it's like to come home every night and withdraw into myself, getting distressed that I've never experienced anything involving more than friendship. The anger, frustration and jealousy just makes my sexual urges as a man so much greater - so I have to pay women for sex before I go mad. It's just a vicious cycle, which will either end up with me overcoming rejection and being happy, or descending into a nightmare.

Thank you for your advice, I really appreciate your help. I will PM you for some more discussion very soon in the future. :smile:
Reply 46
Original post by Medic1992
It's all about confidence mate. I was never popular at college, all the girls at my college only talked to the fit boys. At uni I'm friends with so many pretty girls on my course. Also alto of people at uni are so obsessed with going to the gym...


In my experience, fit doesn't necessarily mean confident. I don't work out but I eat well and have a good build. I have a confident voice, posture and attitude to others which enables me to make friends with so many people so easily. But beyond that, everything fails because the girls at my uni are so obsessed with guys who play sport and work out. And yet I've seen girls hook up with other guys who are 7 inches shorter than me because they've worked out from stupidly young ages, and who are never ever as bold as I am. Fit seems to be more important to these girls than confident.

Original post by Misery
Question - These 'great friends' that you've made, are they the same girls that take three months to respond to you?


Yes, these are the same girls I consider to be my good friends. I get on very well with many girls in the workplace and go out with big groups of guys and girls, but anything beyond that just does not happen. They don't make it apparent when we talk in person, but none of these girls who are my good friends, believe I'm worthy of even 2 minutes of attention (just to reply to my messages) if I speak to them individually. The issue seems to be that every single girl I know has subconsciously (some maybe unintentionally) labelled me as the guy not to go out with. And I can't understand why - I don't behave in a homosexual way, I'm very masculine and carry myself in a way that makes it perfectly obvious that I am straight. So why do girls become such good friends with me and then forget about me completely when we're not together?

Original post by TheQue
There are 3 billion woman on this earth, one day you will be in luck.



I know you mean well, but 1 in 3 billion does not sound like great odds. If I'm ever going to get lucky with one of these 3 billion women, I will have to ask out millions of girls every day for the rest of my life. And if my recent experiences continue, when will I ever get lucky?
Reply 47
Original post by dgeorge
He MAY be needy - but thats because there's so much pressure and he see's so many people in relationships and he'd just like to have ONE but somehow seems impossible!

All I can say is, if you were a guy in OP's shoes, then you would probably understand.

For a male, your ability to attract a woman is a HUGE part of your makeup/psyche. The fact that he hasn't been able to get ONE girl to at least admit that she's interested is eating him alive. I know it did it to me.

Sure after I grew up I realised that being in a relationship wasn't that important....but there's so much pressure on a guy to be able to "pull" that you wouldn't believe it, ESPECIALLY when he's never been in a relationship.

There were literally times that I'd PRAY just to be able to get a girlfriend. He's needy, and he probably knows it. It's great that your brother doesn't feel the pressure to not be in a relationship. However, for most guys, its not easy, and I think you're seriously underestimating how bad it FEELS for a guy in his late teens/early 20's to have never had a relationship, or even a girl professing her feelings for him



Thank you for being so sympathetic and understanding (unlike some). :smile:

I just feel like I will never be loved by anyone who is not related to me. It's all very good having plenty of support from family and friends, but sometimes we need more than that. It does put immense pressure on me now as I'm starting to sense that some guys treat me differently just because I've never had a proper relationship and I don't drink. No-one is able to accept me for who I truly am, unless it fits with their idea of "normal".

So for everyone here who has encouraged me to "relax" and "just be myself": how can I do that, if it's the reason I'm being rejected in the first place? I don't see anything wrong with myself, and there's no difference between myself and the guys who go out with lots of girls. Why should they have relationships and I be rejected? If you ask me about some of the girls who have rejected me in favour of other guys who are (let's face it) idiots, it's such an injustice.

I don't think I'll ever be able to match my own (and other peoples') expectations of me getting at least one date in the next few years while I'm at uni. And because I've taken so much rejection, my chances are getting smaller all the time. I don't know who or what to take inspiration from, because I've tried so many methods and they've all failed. I'm truly at breaking point now.

Again, thank you for your advice. Much appreciated. :smile:
Reply 48
I guess some guys just have a way about them. Even though you ask girls out, you are not a player in the slightest. You probably lack the skills needed to get one interested in you, as do I long term. Some guys just have that way about them.

I've had girls I've thought may be interested in me, but this then turns to them quickly going off me, and suddenly feel awkward around them because I'm not sure how to respond/be around them anymore.

But I believe I'm different in the regard of how I carry myself. A lot of my work mates thought I was gay, and that does play on the mind; Especially since potential girls may feel the same after meeting me.

dgeorge has a great point, and put it so well. I feel exactly like that, but just can't do much about it.
Reply 49
Original post by Anonymous
I never meant to cause any offence by saying your brother is oblivious - I meant it in the nicest possible way. Maybe I should have phrased it better - what I meant was that I envy him for being happy without a girlfriend. I would love to be happy as a single man, but it's becoming clear more and more that I can't be.

Frankly, there's no need for you to go on the offensive like that. It's very easy for you to say "get over it", but you're not a man like I am so you don't know how important a genuine relationship is to me. And if you're so happy being single, how can you claim to be in my shoes?

You obviously didn't read my OP carefully enough - I am at uni, not school. There is a massive culture of guys drinking themselves into the ground and girls finding this so attractive. I'm in a department where loads of guys are good with the ladies just because they drink heavily and/or play sports, even though some of them treat the girls so badly. Obviously these guys don't go out with 2-3 girls at the same time, but I have seen friends of mine being extremely flirty with several girls in the first few weeks of term and end up dating many of them in turn, one after the other, within about 6 weeks. It might not happen where you come from, but it certainly does here.

So as you claim to be in my shoes, you tell me - why are guys/girls like you and me always rejected when others can attract the opposite sex so easily?


Well my best mate has got over it and he is a guy. I used to crave a relationship until I realised how ridiculous it was to rely on others for your happiness, Just go out and have fun, seems to me that you've got it pretty good. The majority of relationships are very overrated anyway.

Well no-one is interested in me because I am one of the lads pretty much. I am loud, intimidating and pretty crude. Guys want a girly needy vulnerable girl and I am far too independent and don't put up with ****. But that's fine, I'm not about to change myself just to get laid. Dont change yourself for a relationship, it wont last.
Reply 50
Original post by Kage
I guess some guys just have a way about them. Even though you ask girls out, you are not a player in the slightest. You probably lack the skills needed to get one interested in you, as do I long term. Some guys just have that way about them.

I've had girls I've thought may be interested in me, but this then turns to them quickly going off me, and suddenly feel awkward around them because I'm not sure how to respond/be around them anymore.

But I believe I'm different in the regard of how I carry myself. A lot of my work mates thought I was gay, and that does play on the mind; Especially since potential girls may feel the same after meeting me.

dgeorge has a great point, and put it so well. I feel exactly like that, but just can't do much about it.



Thanks for sharing that with us. I understand where you're coming from. However, I disagree with your point about not having the skills to attract girls. I know for a fact there is nothing wrong with the way I carry myself or my attitudes to girls. I'm not going to be forced to criticise myself just because every girl I know can't see what's in front of them. Call me arrogant, but the girls who reject us are the ones who are so narrow-minded in that they always go for the typical ****hole of a guy who treats them so badly when they could have hooked up with guys like us who might not be experienced (nor the type who works out every day and plays sports) but will certainly treat them like ladies.

Personally, I think the only way I can get around this is to achieve something unheard of, so at least some girls will realise what they missed out on and have an idea of what it feels like to be jealous. Being rejected so many times has spurred me on to achieve my ultimate ambitions - probably the only good thing ever to come out of it - so one day I will be in a position to turn the other cheek and say that everyone who has ever rejected me is stupid. :smile:

Girls know for a fact that I'm not gay. Like I mentioned before, I don't behave in a homosexual way and I'm extremely masculine. When I look at myself, I can't see anything that would not appeal to girls. So they're the ones in the wrong, not me.
Original post by Anonymous
I just can't understand why this keeps happening. Please advise. :smile:

Here's the story: I'm in my first year of uni now and I'm loving every minute of it. I'm studying an amazing course and made several great friends, most of whom are female.... I have to accept that girls are just not interested in me like they are in other guys, and it's killing me inside.

Last year, on my gap year, I asked a few girls out and was rejected every time....

After every rejection, I've taken a step back and looked at what went wrong. ...It's not my attitude or appearance, as I try my best to come over as smooth, I take care of myself and I treat girls with the utmost respect. So then I really can't understand why they choose to go for the guys who, compared to me, are idiots (don't want to sound arrogant, but it's true).

I'm concerned about falling into depression (despite having plenty of friends and emotional support) because being more than just friends with a girl is so important to me, and I haven't kissed a girl in 7 years. Some would call me a social recluse because I don't drink, but I still go out regularly and enjoy myself in restaurants/bars/cinemas/whatever with my friends. I'm expected to drink myself silly to show others I can have a good time, which girls find attractive. It seems like girls only want to go out with me if we're with a group of other people - never ever alone with me. I'm always putting on a brave face, like I don't care about having a girlfriend, but in reality it's making me more and more miserable.

That's not the end of it: there seems to be a deep-rooted problem with the way girls are treating me at the moment.....They ask me something, I reply, then silence. Each girl takes about 3 months to reply to a text or phone call - unless I speak to them in person or they need something, in which case they will send me another message and the cycle starts again.

I'm starting to accept that I will be alone for the rest of my life, and no girl will ever see anything attractive in me in the way they do with other guys.

You want to know the worst part? I've never got past the kissing stage with a girl. I lost my virginity to a 35-year old escort last year.

PS. Cue neg reps! Haters gonna hate - but you will never understand.


At least you took action. It might help a little.

But your problem is right here "It's not my personality as many girls have told me I'm really sweet and special to them."

It IS your personality. You are obsessing about this. To the degree of preparing like a white knight should. This shows you are afraid of the process. You are DESPERATE and DATELESS and THEY KNOW IT.

Sad to say, nothing else matters.

Girls won't "realize what they missed out on." There are no scales of justice in this matter. Evolution is NOT FAIR.

Girls will tell you you're a "great guy" "great friend" "make some lucky girl a great [whipping post] one day..." etc. etc. Or they'll just avoid you as much as possible which is what's happening on FB it seems.

It is cruel to you because you believe them at face value, not in the instinctive, comforting way they intend these white lies to be read.

Fact: if they don't want you - OTHER GIRLS DON'T EITHER.

FWIW I remember feeling a little like that, aeons ago. Then I took the bull by the horns and followed my own path. It requires a radical rethink and some serious chutzpah becayse you're going to have to run uphill against a lot of hypocrisy. But it's totally worth it.

You say: "It's not my attitude or appearance, as I try my best to come over as smooth, I take care of myself and I treat girls with the utmost respect.

No, you don't. You expect them to be naive enough to believe the manufactured "you" with the romantic playbook in hand.

Get real, dude. I get women because they know I respect them. That means, not that I believe or spout any hypocrisy about romance...as you should know by now.

They respect me because I treat them as women who know their minds. They know I call them on their BS, they can't manipulate me, and I can f- the s- out of them. They can't pull the control freakery...because I have other mistresses. The girls just knowing this means I don't get 95% of the bs that I read about here and that you're experiencing now.

You don't. Be a man. Grow some balls. Do your own thing and stop trying to be "smooth" and "sweet." Treat women as women, with all their flaws and beauty, and enjoy them.

Edit to add: the first step is to cultivate a real skill. A deep, professional skill. It doesn't matter what - even nerdy things can work. Girls want a guy who KNOWS things, not in his own mind, but as validated by other experts. That gives him status in their eyes. It's quite similar to the concept of girls wanting men that other girls "have" and not so much caring about what, or why, they are attractive. You will gain confidence in multiple spheres and it will show.
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Reply 52
Original post by masterfulprof
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Sound advice. He needs to be real with them.

The OP basically has a bad case of 'nice guy syndrome'. It's not unusual, and it's not terminal.

Check out what that is, start to understand what the flaws are in the way you interact with women, and you should be on the right path.

OP, you can overcome this, and it's got nothing to do with drinking or being on the rowing team.
well I'm spending all my time right now furious that boys in my uni never seem to ask girls out- because 'we just don't do that'.. its not british or something- it drives me so insane!!!

so well done you for having the balls and bravery to take that chance

firstly- the main difference between you and a lot of people is you have tried and failed- a lot of people haven't tried- I have never seriously tried asking a boy out but I have abysmal luck when I try making the first move- part of why I've never had a boyfriend- and I completely share your pain- I am finding it really hard to cope with rejection- part of the up side of being a girl is that boys are more likely than girls to ask you out (so there might have been girls who liked you but they would generally think it was out of the question to ask you out...) I have been asked out a few times- but I can only think of one person who asked me out who I liked back and I was too scared to talk to him so I rejected him!

of the other people- boys have been friends and then shown they liked me... and I've had 'things' with people which is mainly sex... and very short-lived.... .. only twice in my life I ever told a boy I really liked him- both times blind drunk- one of those times again I was too scared and it ended up with him plucking up the courage to confess he liked me and I treated him appallingly (again out of fear)-and the other time- lucky for us we liked each other and it lasted about a week and we both mutually lost interest (so extremely lucky.. but in the end not much came of that!)

now im in a position where I am desperate for a boyfriend and very lonely...and I feel like I'm in love with this boy I barely know... and I can't ask him out because he doesn't believe in having a girlfriend unless he's going to marry her.... and aside from that there are boys I like but I either don't know them/I'd be awkward/ their taken- and I think to myself surely there is someeeoonee male who feels the same way I do who is normal and interesting etc..


so just my little case study for you :wink: you're not alone! (and I may well come across as confident and attractive and intimidating so don't be fouled about girls' appearances!)

as to you- what comes across is that you are extremely unusually thoughtful and sensitive for a guy- I found boys like that very hard to deal with and still do- lots of people are very hard and cold in school because its the only way they can cope... and even at university people are still quite immature and want to dodge responsibility.. just wana get drunk and not think about something (this is at cambridge I'm talking about)....so write off all your school experiences straight away- school is brutal and the kinds of people who do 'well' are often the most unpleasant ... it can be a really barbaric, negative, phobic, horrible environment ... and the first year of uni everyone is just settling in- I'm only beginning to see changes to people in third year!

I think try to make the whole experience fun and playful for the girl- so that even if she does feel you could never appeal to her she feels attractive and flattered and has gained a friend.. and you never know she might even change her mind! I think the issue with asking out girls is there's something very definite and final about it- people like to be able to make their mind up when it suits them and not be scrutinised... its can be a bit pressurising when you feel that saying yes or giving any encouragement feels like some sort of a commitment in itself... my experience with men is when they want to do something fun and come across as playful and jokey... (I hung out with one boy in first year who flirted with me like crazy and kept saying how beautiful he thought I was- but he only came out and asked me what was going on and lost his patience after I let this go on for 8 weeks!... ) I know its not the most mature characteristic to just want to be flattered but give them that incentive then it gives you the chance to get to know them- in any case we should all be interested in the kind of person someone is so get to know them as a friend ... see what you feel after a while...

I'm not exactly a success case myself so I clearly don't have the answer but I hope this helps!
also I have to agree with masterfoulproof 2 posts above mine...

I personally hate it when men seem to act like I can do no wrong- it either means they're stupid and don't understand me, or they're going to find out I'm not all that and be pissed off at me... (both has occured)

respecting women means holding them to a high standard and expecting they can meet it (same with men really...) think critically about someone- are you a good judge of people's character? part of that initial being taken with a girl is that its superficial- nothing wrong with that, but girls can see right through you if you are just basing your desire on her physical appearance and charm
Original post by hennessybubbles
also I have to agree with masterfoulproof 2 posts above mine...

I personally hate it when men seem to act like I can do no wrong- it either means they're stupid and don't understand me, or they're going to find out I'm not all that and be pissed off at me... (both has occured)

respecting women means holding them to a high standard and expecting they can meet it (same with men really...) think critically about someone- are you a good judge of people's character? part of that initial being taken with a girl is that its superficial- nothing wrong with that, but girls can see right through you if you are just basing your desire on her physical appearance and charm


hennessy, be careful...agreeing with me in public sentences you to the stocks!
Hahaha!

But it means you're a woman of your own mind, at least, because you aren't saying this to be popular or to worship conventional ideology.

You are right, and you don't have the answer. No girl can ever understand the depths of the OP's despair because out there in the real world she doesn't have to...if she lowers her standards a little, something will happen. That's not true for the males, on whom the burdens of approach and risk of rejection are normally placed. Rejection is hideous and intolerable and it's why girls won't make themselves do this. Remember the quote from Norah Vincent's book.

Now, the OP isn't going to understand yet because he's in whiteknight mode at the moment. It takes some males into their mid-20s to move past this. Learning is painful and sucky and requires contravening some deep-rooted ideologies.

At the moment, he wants to establish a relationship by finding our what "pleases" girls. This phase is deeply counterproductive and until he becomes his own man, literally, there's nothing to be done.

Part of the attraction IS based on physical appearance and charm, but the OP must add the intangibles to that. Not the whiteknight mechanicals, which are so patronizing to real women, but the real deal.

Ah...all boys should encounter TigerGirls at an early age.... to prepare them for what they are eventually going to want more than anything.
Reply 56
Original post by masterfulprof
At least you took action. It might help a little.

But your problem is right here "It's not my personality as many girls have told me I'm really sweet and special to them."

It IS your personality. You are obsessing about this. To the degree of preparing like a white knight should. This shows you are afraid of the process. You are DESPERATE and DATELESS and THEY KNOW IT.

Sad to say, nothing else matters.

Girls won't "realize what they missed out on." There are no scales of justice in this matter. Evolution is NOT FAIR.

Girls will tell you you're a "great guy" "great friend" "make some lucky girl a great [whipping post] one day..." etc. etc. Or they'll just avoid you as much as possible which is what's happening on FB it seems.

It is cruel to you because you believe them at face value, not in the instinctive, comforting way they intend these white lies to be read.

Fact: if they don't want you - OTHER GIRLS DON'T EITHER.

FWIW I remember feeling a little like that, aeons ago. Then I took the bull by the horns and followed my own path. It requires a radical rethink and some serious chutzpah becayse you're going to have to run uphill against a lot of hypocrisy. But it's totally worth it.

You say: "It's not my attitude or appearance, as I try my best to come over as smooth, I take care of myself and I treat girls with the utmost respect.

No, you don't. You expect them to be naive enough to believe the manufactured "you" with the romantic playbook in hand.

Get real, dude. I get women because they know I respect them. That means, not that I believe or spout any hypocrisy about romance...as you should know by now.

They respect me because I treat them as women who know their minds. They know I call them on their BS, they can't manipulate me, and I can f- the s- out of them. They can't pull the control freakery...because I have other mistresses. The girls just knowing this means I don't get 95% of the bs that I read about here and that you're experiencing now.

You don't. Be a man. Grow some balls. Do your own thing and stop trying to be "smooth" and "sweet." Treat women as women, with all their flaws and beauty, and enjoy them.

Edit to add: the first step is to cultivate a real skill. A deep, professional skill. It doesn't matter what - even nerdy things can work. Girls want a guy who KNOWS things, not in his own mind, but as validated by other experts. That gives him status in their eyes. It's quite similar to the concept of girls wanting men that other girls "have" and not so much caring about what, or why, they are attractive. You will gain confidence in multiple spheres and it will show.


Thank you for your advice. :smile:

However, I have to say that, frankly, you sound incredibly patronising and condescending. There's absolutely no reason for you to go on the offensive and call me "DESPERATE and DATELESS". How do you think that makes me feel? It's very easy for you to take the higher ground and lecture me on how to attract women, but please don't act like you're better than me just because you've turned your experiences with women around. I am someone who thinks deeply about everything they see and do - so if you don't like me speculating on reasons why girls are not interested in me then please don't write anything here.

Still, I probably do need to hear some harsh words because this is obviously all my fault. I am clearly only able to get along with girls as friends and nothing else, because I'm different to all the other guys who are dating girls left, right and centre. I'm pleased that you are successful with women, because some men have to be.
Reply 57
Original post by hennessybubbles
also I have to agree with masterfoulproof 2 posts above mine...

I personally hate it when men seem to act like I can do no wrong- it either means they're stupid and don't understand me, or they're going to find out I'm not all that and be pissed off at me... (both has occured)

respecting women means holding them to a high standard and expecting they can meet it (same with men really...) think critically about someone- are you a good judge of people's character? part of that initial being taken with a girl is that its superficial- nothing wrong with that, but girls can see right through you if you are just basing your desire on her physical appearance and charm


You're assuming that I don't have a realistic view of every woman I ask out. Let me reiterate again that I do not base my feelings for women only on physical appearance. Every girl who has rejected me is someone who I knew for at least 6 months beforehand. I'm attracted to a good personality, sensible behaviour and intelligence in a girl as well as physical appearance, which does not play as big a part as you think. I put a lot of thought into whether I even want to ask a girl out because I'm often in 2 minds about whether to go for it or not. I'm sorry you find it patronising if a guy thinks the world of you, but it's that kind of view that has completely put me off asking any girl out again. I've already accepted that I will either be alone for the rest of my life or be forced to marry someone I don't know very well.

What I have learned from my few short relationships is that being successful with a woman means accepting that she's not perfect. And every time I've asked a girl out since then, I am fully aware of what she is and is not. I'd say that's already being quite critical before I've even asked a girl out - so you tell me where the problem is.

Original post by masterfulprof
hennessy, be careful...agreeing with me in public sentences you to the stocks!
Hahaha!


Why would you say something like that? You're obviously too self-righteous and proud to give any compassionate or constructive advice to someone who's not in the same position as you. If you don't have anything to add that's not directly rude or offensive like you have been in this comment, please don't bother.
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If you don't intend to give any constructive advice, please do not read on. I'm not in the mood to be ripped apart by patronising comments from a select few users. And before anyone accuses me of attention-seeking: I am not a troll.

In the last 2 months since I wrote here, the situation has not improved. I'm getting increasingly jealous whenever I see couples together, so much so that I have to physically walk away from any of my friends who are in relationships, if they start talking about their partners. That really upsets me as I enjoy being friends with many people and socialising. But as soon as I see any signs of affection between two people of the opposite sex - whether I know them or not - I feel my blood boiling and have to move quickly before I snap. I know a few guys and girls on my course who are going out with each other already and it's even increased their popularity, because all their friends can start asking them how their relationship is going.

It's worsened by the fact that my neighbour in student halls now has a girlfriend, whom he is always bringing back to his room for long periods of time. I'm happy for them as they are both genuinely lovely people and great friends with me, but whenever I see the two of them together I feel sick. Wondering what they're doing in his room alone together makes me feel like punching a wall, and I've noticed that I do get very agitated while I'm on my own and I know they're together. I've got my very own personality clash going on in my own head - one side of me is completely optimistic and knows that I will find love one day. Meet someone, grow to love and trust them, get married, have children and be happy. But the other side is intensely depressed, jealous and hates all women for rejecting me. I'm seriously worried about myself as I'm suffering in silence and I don't know anyone who genuinely understands what it's like to crave companionship. All my male friends have currently got girlfriends or have at least been in a proper relationship before. My parents are being quite indifferent whenever I try to talk to them about it - they want me to meet a respectable and successful girl who I may eventually marry, but at the same time they always tell me that I'm forbidden to have a girlfriend at university. All my short-lived relationships at school were kept in secret from my parents, who still don't know about those girls. They want me to leave all relationship worries until after my degree, but that really irritates me because they know full well just how much effort goes into sustaining a friendship and making the step from friend to partner. It's almost like they know I'm not suitable for anyone and that I should just give up while I'm still young.

As I've mentioned before, I have to physically stop myself from expressing my desires to any girl I'm attracted to. In particular, one girl I'm particularly good friends with and whom I want to ask out - but I have to literally bite my fist to force myself not to say anything to her because I get the feeling she will be just the same as every other girl and immediately reject me. I've noticed that I even start developing tics in front of beautiful women because my self-confidence with women is so low - small things that I never do in front of anyone else and would feel like an idiot if I did in front of a girl, such as laughing loudly, forgetting simple sentences and generally looking like a fool. If I watched myself and how I talk to beautiful women, I would never be attracted to that. And that just makes me feel miserable.

Especially as I'm studying at a university in a very student-friendly city, where guys and girls my age go out partying every night of the week and hook up regularly, I just feel lost. Women don't see me as being worth anything more than a good friend, even though I have so much to offer them. I'm at the lowest I've been for ages.
Reply 59
Taking it all a bit too seriously, OP? Loosen up, tease the girls a little, get them laughing and curious about you. That's one of the first ways you can gain interest.

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