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The GTTR application guide and FAQ thread *please read 1st post*

NOTE: GTTR is used to apply for Postgraduate ITT and and ITE courses at universities and for the SCITT consortia ITT route. It is NOT for undergrad Primary education courses or for Teach First applications.

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THE BASICS

How do I apply?

You apply for a PGCE place via GTTR (Graduate Teacher Training Recruitment) which is operated by UCAS, meaning the application is very similar to UK undergraduate admissions. An exception is the University of the West of Scotland (UWS) who take direct applications, meaning you can apply here plus to two via GTTR.

When do I apply?

Applications open at the beginning of September and are first come, first served. This is the main difference to undergraduate applications universities will begin the interview procedure almost immediately and will give out offers as they see fit. Once they have allocated all of their places and/or have enough interviews arranged to fill their remaining places, the university will stop accepting applications from GTTR. They will be listed as having no vacancies on the GTTR search.

Primary applicants should apply before the 1st December 2010. You can apply after this date but the university can refuse to take your application if they already have enough suitable candidates. Interviews and offers will begin prior to the closing date so applying early means you get an earlier interview slot, which is helpful in terms of reapplying if you are unsuccessful.

Secondary and middle years applicants can apply at any point. However, as with Primary it is first come first served meaning the popular universities/courses will not be accepting applications later into the cycle.

The final deadline for applications is 1st September 2011. After 30th June 2011 all new applications will enter directly into clearing where you have the chance to contact the university directly before formally applying for a place.

What can I apply for? And how many choices do I have?

You can only apply for a maximum of TWO primary courses at one time, although you are allowed to add five courses to your application at once. This can be a mixture of age ranges although be aware that this may make you look uncommitted to any age group.

You MUST place your choices in order of preference. Initially, your application will be sent to the university listed first for them to make a decision. Your application will not be sent to any of your other choices until you have had a decision from this provider.

Applications before 1st December 2010 - training provider has until 20th January 2011 to tell GTTR if they are offering you a place (or putting your application on hold - see further down this thread).

Applications after 1st December 2010 - training provider must tell GTTR within 28 days if they are offering you an interview. They then have another 28 days to interview and return with a decision.

Due to administrative reasons some do not meet these deadlines and universities can ask for extra consideration time. GTTR will send you a letter if your current choice asks for extra time to consider your application. You are able to deny them the right to do this and instead make another choice, or agree to wait.

Be aware that some universities do not hold primary interviews until after the 1st December cut off. This means you may be invited for an interview in October that is not until the New Year.

If you are rejected at any point, GTTR will automatically send your application to your second choice (or later choice) and the process starts again. If your next choice is full by this stage it will be sent to your next option with vacancies, or if you no longer have any choices left, you will be asked to make one. As long as courses are still listed as having vacancies, you are free to apply for them although as each university can have your application for approaching three months you may find that suitable courses are no longer available later in the cycle.

ACADEMIC AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS

What do I need to apply for a PGCE?

You need an undergraduate honours degree from a UK university or equivalent qualification from abroad. Some universities will ask for a 2:ii classification and others will ask for a 2:i, depending on the course.

England and Wales: You also need to have GCSE English and Maths at grade C or above. Primary and middle years applicants also need GCSE Science to the same standard. Equivalent qualifications are also acceptable.

Scotland: Primary applicants need to have SCQF level 6 in English (Higher) and SCQF level 5 in Maths (Standard Grade credit or Int 2) plus an array of subjects that show they are well suited to primary teaching. This is sought with evidence that you have studied at least two of science, social studies, expressive arts, religious and moral education, technology or modern languages.

Secondary applicants in Scotland are only required to have Higher English. Maths is not a requirement, unlike in England.

Am I qualified to teach subject X?

For a secondary PGCE around 50% of your degree needs to be in the subject you wish to teach. Closely related subjects are often accepted, such as linguistics for English and anthropology for geography. Language applicants often need to offer two languages one to degree level and/or fluent standard and one to A level/Higher.

In some subjects a good A level/Higher grade (usually A or B) is all that is required. Some universities in England run subject knowledge enhancement (SKE) courses so that applicants with A levels in high demand subjects can improve to a high enough standard to teach. Language applicants can also attend courses to gain a second or third language. These courses vary in length and depend on your previous qualifications - some are for the summer prior to the PGCE whereas others last the entire academic year before you start. See here for more information.

For general primary, any degree is suitable and applicants may be asked to comment on the relevance of their degree at interview. Most providers offer courses to become MFL specialists and have different requirements. Some ask that applicants have a degree in the language whereas others only ask for GCSE and then provide intensive language training during the PGCE. Most require at least an A level (sometimes AS) or Higher.

What else do I have to provide to fulfil my offer?

As well as providing proof of your academic qualifications you will be asked to complete a medical form that confirms your suitability to teach. This has to be signed by someone in the medical profession and returned to your university. You also need to complete a CRB Enhanced Disclosure/Disclosure Scotland check, for which you have to pay £36. Information on both of these forms will be sent once you have accepted your offer.

You must pass both the CRB check and the health questionnaire to take up your place. If you have any doubt about any of this it would be sensible to contact your PGCE provider at the earliest opportunity.

DECISIONS ON GTTR

What does STOP mean as a GTTR decision on track?

This means your application status has been frozen by the current university. If they did not do this GTTR would automatically put your application as unsuccessful once the deadline has passed and the application would be sent to the next provider. As STOP has been written, the university has requested to be given more time from GTTR to offer you an interview and/or consider the application. You will be sent a letter from GTTR to inform you that this has happened.

What does INTERVIEW mean?

This means you have been given an interview. If you click on the word interview this might provide you with some more information such as the date and time of it. You will also be sent information from GTTR and the university.

How do I know if I have an offer?

Within 2 weeks of your interview the provider will give a reply via GTTR. This will be: unconditional, conditional or unsuccessful. If you are unsuccessful you can ask for feedback on your application and if you wish, GTTR will then send your application elsewhere for consideration. If you have a conditional offer, the terms will be specified on GTTR. It is your responsibility to inform the provider of your degree results and/or other qualifications at the earliest opportunity providing official transcripts. If you have an unconditional offer you have met all of the academic requirements prior to applying.

THE GTTR APPLICATION FORM

What does the application consist of?

The application itself has 6 parts:

1) Educational information all of your school and degree level qualifications to date. This includes each individual module grade you have achieved whilst at university and the percentage this makes up of your overall grade for the year. This is incredibly difficult for Scottish university students and some Scottish providers (certainly Edinburgh and Aberdeen) have additional post application forms to compensate. See here for more information on this section.

You are also advised to include any extra qualifications that are relevant to your application (eg: sign language courses, any disability training etc) or any unmentioned linguistic abilities.

Personal Statement here you need to express why you want to be a teacher of your chosen age group and/or subject and the qualities you believe you possess which make you a suitable candidate for teaching, with evidence. You should include details of specific responsibilities during your work experience as well as evidence of wider educational knowledge. The limits are 4000 characters and/or 47 lines (which ever limit you hit first). For help on your PS see this guide written by xKTx - a PS helper who did a Primary PGCE in 09-10. If you would like help with your PS please post it in the PS Help forum and NOT anywhere else on this site. There are a number of PS helpers who have experience with PGCE applications for primary and secondary.

1) Work Experience you have 15 lines (950 characters) to outline your work experience placements. You need to give the dates, location and an outline of your responsibilities for each one. This will be read in addition to your personal statement so ensure you do not repeat the same information twice.

2) Academic reference A PGCE is an academic, postgraduate level course as well as being vocational. Many providers award 60 Masters level credits on completion of the PGCE year for graduates to convert into a full Masters course (180 credits) in their first few years of teaching. Recent graduates are asked to provide a reference from their university and those who graduated more than 5 years ago are to ask someone who is able to comment on their suitability for teaching. You can also provide a second referee who should be someone from one of your schools but they will only be contacted in special circumstances.

As with the UCAS application, you fill in your part of the form and an email is sent to your chosen referee for them to complete the reference. Unless the reference is shown to you, you will never see it. You can only submit your application form once both parts have been fully completed.

3) Your course choices this has been outlined already in this guide.

6) Declaration and payment here you declare that everything you have provided is correct to your knowledge and pay for your application. It costs £17 to apply.

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I will add to this guide as and when I can with answers to additional questions.

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Reply 1
Claiming the next post for future use :smile:
Well done on the guide!

The link to my PS statement guide doesn't work tho :p: For some reason it has an extra '' at the end!
Reply 3
As so many people come looking for ratings/rankings and allocations, I've provided some links below of what is available:

The tda website provides info on the allocation of places for each subject. They're the pdf files on the right hand side here: http://www.tda.gov.uk/partners/fundi...tions0809.aspx

You can also have a look at Ofsted reports; they are given for the overall PGCE programs by level as well as subject specific. The dates vary, but the most recent ones are there. http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/oxfind/name...&submit=Search

The Good Teacher Training Guide 2009 (most recent league table for ITT - not sure when a new one will be release): http://www.buckingham.ac.uk/educatio...dfs/gttg09.pdf

I hope this helps anyone looking to compare ITT Providers. I found those links useful after I narrowed down my search to an area and the universities in the area that offered my course.
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I will add to this guide as and when I can with answers to additional questions.


hey,
just wondered about the degree subject, some people seem to be putting down each module or is it best to be more general. For example a quarter of my course is philosophy based, and whereas the rest is history there is some literature involved. But I dont think putting "Flavian Poetry" etc... seems very appropriate to a Secondary History application?

Thanks
Is there any chance you could elaborate on what needs to go in Work Experience and what needs to go in Personal Statement. Its difficult to know how not to overlap etc.
Reply 6
mollymustard
Is there any chance you could elaborate on what needs to go in Work Experience and what needs to go in Personal Statement. Its difficult to know how not to overlap etc.

In my work experience section I mentioned the dates of when I did it, which school I was in, the year groups and an overview of exactly what I was doing/what my role was whereas in the PS I discussed a particular aspect of my work experience that interested me in detail, referring to wider educational policy/ideas/theory. This was something I then discussed again at interview in much more detail, referring to other things I'd seen and read. In your actual PS you don't need to mention the name of the school or anything like that, this all goes in the work experience section, just cut to the chase and tell them the interesting parts :smile:
Reply 7
moshing-fairy
hey,
just wondered about the degree subject, some people seem to be putting down each module or is it best to be more general. For example a quarter of my course is philosophy based, and whereas the rest is history there is some literature involved. But I dont think putting "Flavian Poetry" etc... seems very appropriate to a Secondary History application?

Thanks


I think it depends on your course structure. For me, it was impossible to be any more specific than literally the subject names because the Scottish university system isn't really compatible with GTTR which is set up for an English model. Edinburgh and Aberdeen provide applicants with additional sheets to give their full module lists meaning this is something that universities want to know and will go to lengths to find out.

However, if there is room for you to fit everything in then you may as well include them because you might find that as a history teacher, some schools would also expect you to teach a different subject too meaning if you have philosophy and literature you could also offer philosophy/RS and English. It is better to be as detailed as you can because a history degree at one university isn't the same as a history degree at another meaning the universities want to know exactly what you've been doing and how applicable it is to the National Curriculum.
Reply 8
hey i wondered if you could help me out...i'm still really confused about what to put in the degree subject section. It asks for a percentage of time spent and must equal 100, so if i were to list all my 24 modules they'd all only equal about 4% each, does this seem right?

I have a combined law and criminology degree and i'm applying for primary school. Since non of these subjects are national curriculum would it be pointless listing the modules, such as contract law, community and the problem of crime etc which have no relevance?

Basically if i were to list my main subjects it would be law 50% and criminology 50%. Should i just put this or still list the specific module titles?

I'm so confused and really worried about getting it right please any help would be much appreciated. Thanks
Wondered if someone could help me, in the Education section I need to list the University of Bradford but it does not show up in the search no matter what word combination of Bradford University I use.

If the message '0 matches found' is shown, or if the school or college displayed is not the correct one, click on 'My school or college is not listed here' and enter the correct name in the box provided.

However there is no such link or box saying "My School or college is not listed here"

Can someone tell me where exactly this is meant to be?
Reply 10
Hi, just wondering if anyone has replied to Rachel11? I have a very similar query re listing main degree subjects on the application.
Is it best to list all the modules (even if they are not that relevant to teaching) or just put 50% Law and 50% Criminology, for example?
Reply 11
Jade01
Hi, just wondering if anyone has replied to Rachel11? I have a very similar query re listing main degree subjects on the application.
Is it best to list all the modules (even if they are not that relevant to teaching) or just put 50% Law and 50% Criminology, for example?


If I was in this position I would just put 50% Law and 50% Criminology etc.
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I put '100% psychology' for mine and it was fine. If you did any electives (which I didn't) then I would put those in too
Reply 13
I phoned gttr and was told to list all my modules anyway because its always best to give them details of anything you've done. So I listed 24 modules, most were 4% time spent (those that were 15 credits) and some 8% (30 credit modules)
Reply 14
all the posts have been really helpful but it would just be great if someone could clarify whats best to do in terms of what to put down for your degree main subjects...
I have done a physiotherapy degree and over the 3 year course did 24 modules - should I list them all, even though only your 2nd and 3rd year results count towards your degree classification?
Most of my modules were 10 or 20 credits which doesnt work out so nicely when converting to percent, do you think its just ok to round up 2.77 to 3% (10 credits) and down for 5.55 (20 credits)?
Also the percentage is the 'time spent' on that particular module which is confusing as for me a 6 week physiotherapy placement would equal only 3% - or could I make up for this by giving details of my placements in my work experience section?
Also is it best to put lower credit modules as subsidary subjects - or the subjects you feel were less important/relevant to teaching!
Any advice would be fab! thanks
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Reply 15
Would you list first year modules too? I mean they don't count towards the degree so.. how would the percentage of the degree work for that? (For future reference, as only in second year of uni now lol)
Reply 16
Original post by orionmoo

Original post by orionmoo
Would you list first year modules too? I mean they don't count towards the degree so.. how would the percentage of the degree work for that? (For future reference, as only in second year of uni now lol)


When you do the degree percentage only count the bits that actually make up your degree classification. So I guess with you it'd be 50% maths and 50% CS, no?

So I'd studied Spanish and geography in my 1st and 2nd year at uni (Scottish degrees are 4 years, only the final 2 count) so listed them as modules but didn't include them in my overall percentages for my actual degree. It depends on your university structure, basically, the Scottish system is overly complicated so I couldn't properly write all of mine out which is why the Scottish PGDE providers send out additional forms to applicants as GTTR is based on the English model.
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Reply 18
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Hi everyone,
Hope someone can help me as quickly as possible.

I only applied to one university to do a PGCE and found out yesterday that I have sadly not been given an offer. I applied very late in the cycle and thought I would either get a place at that Uni, or, even if I didn't, I presumed it would be too late to apply anywhere else anyway.

However, I have decided I definitely want to do the PGCE course this coming year and there is one other university that I have now also become interested in, which still has places.

My problem is that I wrote my personal statement very much aimed at the university that has rejected me (even naming the uni itself and why I wanted to be there specifically etc, because I did not expect to apply anywhere else).

I cannot see any way to edit my personal statement through GTTR now, seems to be locked info. Can I edit/change my personal statement now that I am applying elsewhere, so that it is not aimed so clearly only at the one university? How do I do this? I considered phoning the number on the GTTR site, but they are probably closed tomorrow.

Any suggestions are useful, as I need to apply asap else there may no longer be places. Please quote me if you reply. Thank you.

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