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Reply 380
Angelil
Not sure if there's anyone still around who's willing/able to respond to this, but here goes.

I've been trying to break into journalism now for a couple of years (freelance, since I live overseas and the French, being French, are unlikely to employ anyone but a French national who's done their three-year requisite journalism course here :rolleyes: ) but have had little or no luck.

This is despite having not one but two good degrees (2.1 in English & Classics from Exeter, Master's in Linguistics from Oxford), and a truckload of experience (at multiple IPC publications, as well as three years straight at Exeter's student paper and blogging for nearly 3 years now in association with a large American beauty website, which has brought me loads of good PR contacts). I just don't know what to do now as everything I do gets knocked back (my emails are either ignored, or I'm talked down to, or I'm led up the garden path and then dropped unceremoniously, or people hang up on me or are rude to me on the phone).

The closest I've come to getting anything published is having an idea for a regular FT feature being put on the pile for when he next needs one (but how likely is that to actually happen?) and having an article being accepted for review at Intelligent Life (but he seems to be taking a very long time to tell me if he actually wants it or not - I sent it in in October, emailed again in November, was told it was still on the list for consideration, sent an email again to the editor to say happy new year to them and the team in the hope of eliciting a further response - I know, vomit - but it didn't work). Understandably this doesn't make me feel great, hehe.

So beyond knowing if there's anything that it sounds like I could do better, I've also been looking into distance NCTJs, which seem to be good value for money, but I'm hesitant to sign right up as I really don't know how much benefit these bring.

Any words of advice would be much appreciated :smile: Cheers folks :smile:


Hi Angelil

Wow, that is a difficult situation.

Freelancing is very hard to crack even for the best of journalists, with the best experience, at the best of times. Five years into my own career and I am not confident that I could make it as a freelance if I wanted to. I know people who have, and even with years of experience and journalism qualifications it's a bit of a roll of the dice. Sadly, it seems to come more down to fortune than anything else.

It sounds like you're doing the right things, you're writing regularly, you're in contact with people, you have projects going on even if they aren't breaking you through just yet.

I don't think I would advise you to go down the qualifications route. It's just not as relevant to freelance work - freelancers tend to be more proven journalists already. They would get the qualifications in order to get a job in which they prove themselves and use that success to build a freelance career. I think the only way an English journalism qualification would help you is to get you a full-time job, which would require you returning to an English-speaking country to work.

And also, it is a tough time for freelancers. A lot of publications, mine included, have had budgets slashed and had to cut back on freelancers - they are the first thing to go in time of need.

I don't mean to make it all doom and gloom - you may well get picked up tomorrow and have yourself the perfect gig. I guess I'm just saying that you already seem to be doing everything you can.
Reply 381
I can't believe it's been nearly five years!!

Apologies to anyone whose questions I haven't been around to answer for yonks. But to be honest it's now five years since I graduated (ouch!) and I imagine journalism degrees and NCTJ courses have changed quite a lot in that time. There seem to be a lot more specialist and NCTJ-accredited university degrees around these days.

You will probably find that the advice from other people in this thread is more relevant for the academic side of things these days anyway.

I'm still working in journalism, although online journalism now - apparently it's the future! That's an area that this thread doesn't seem to have covered, so I'll offer whatever help I can there. I've been an editor on a news-based website of an established magazine brand for the last couple of years.

Like I said, I'm certainly no expert on university-based things these days, but I frequently see people on work experience and have been responsible for hiring a couple so hopefully I can still be some use when it comes to getting a job.

There must be a lot of people out there right now finding it difficult to break into journalism. It is an industry that has shrunk with the recession. Everyone has cut back, there are fewer jobs out there and a lot more experienced journalists looking for them. But at the same time, online journalism is booming and people will always need good writers.

I will try to remember to check this thread, but if you want to ask something to me specifically, either send me a PM or an email (think there's a button for that) because then I get an email telling me you've got in touch.
Reply 382
Zurich - thanks for your reply!
I know budget is a big problem and it's something that's been cited more than once to me in the past year. However, when I say that the experience and exposure is more what I'm after at the moment, and that I'd therefore (for the moment) be happy to write for free (!) I get told to not start offering to write for free, since it sets a bad precedent :rolleyes: I can see their point, but when they were the ones who brought up the bloody budget...! I'd rather they just told me straight out to go away rather than coming up with an excuse that they think sounds plausible.
Reply 383
Anyone here interested in or does gonzo journalism?
Reply 384
Had never heard of it so had to look it up! Can't say it appeals to me, though. Hope you find other like-minded people :smile:
Hi,

I'm starting a course in Journalism and Criminology in September and in the meantime am looking to get ahead on shorthand.

Can anyone recommend a "teach yourself" book to get me started? Bearing in mind shorthand is all very new to me! I've looked on Amazon briefly but I don't really know where to start.

Thanks
gravityisamyth
Hi,

I'm starting a course in Journalism and Criminology in September and in the meantime am looking to get ahead on shorthand.

Can anyone recommend a "teach yourself" book to get me started? Bearing in mind shorthand is all very new to me! I've looked on Amazon briefly but I don't really know where to start.

Thanks


I would say Teeline Fast by Ann Dix is a good shorthand book to get started with. I assume by your post that shorthand is going to be taught on your course? But it's good idea to get familiar with the easier outlines now.

:smile:
Aky786UK
I would say Teeline Fast by Ann Dix is a good shorthand book to get started with. I assume by your post that shorthand is going to be taught on your course? But it's good idea to get familiar with the easier outlines now.

:smile:


Thank you, I'm going to look for it now. :smile: Yeah it says so in the description on the Uni website. I just thought it would make things easier!
Not sure if this question has already been covered because there was sooooo much to go through that i couldnt possibly read it all...but you said you did your NCTJ course straight after A-level and this is something I am interested in although i'm not really sure how to go about it could you give me some more information please?

But thankyou for everyting you wrote on this thread it has been extremely helpful!
Reply 389
In response to the shorthand question, I'm afraid I've long since forgotten exactly which book I used when I started tee line. To be honest, if you're just looking to get started on the basics as a precursor to a course that will teach you it anyway, any of the tee line for beginners type books will probably be right up your street.

Hi Alexandra, I replied to your PM, but in case anyone else wonders the same thing. I did the one-year NCTJ course straight out of sixth form, but this was back in 2000/01 and before universities had really started linking up with NCTJ accreditation, so it wasn't as available in unis back then.

The short answer is that I don't know whether you can still do it that way. I would advise to go down the uni first route, particularly if you're doing a non-journalism degree, and taking the NCTJ as a post-grad. But if you really want to do it before/instead of university, I'm sure the information will be contained somewhere on www.nctj.com. There's a contact number there and they must be able to help you more than I can!

Good luck!
Reply 390
Randomly, I've just been contacted by the head of marketing and communications for the NCTJ, who is about to kick off a media campaign designed to inform prospective journalism students about NCTJ-accredited courses vs undergrad and non-accredited courses etc

He says: "We get a lot of calls here from students who spent a lot of time and wasted a lot of money completing degrees at the University of middle England or such-like who now find they cannot get a job and are thousands of pounds in debt."

....which I know is a question/problem frequently raised by people here. I have made him aware of this discussion, so he might find a way to make y'all aware of the campaign. Or if not, I will pass on details of the campaign and/or any advice if and when I see any of it...
Aky786UK
I'm hoping to have another crack at my shorthand after leaving it since I finished Uni last year.

I don't have the money to spend on a course as such but have the Tee Line book by Ann Dix and know the basic grasp of it but am nowhere near the 100wpm requirement.

So, what can I be doing in my own tuition to improve and possibly, what extra tools (books etc) might help?

Cheers

:smile:



I just passed my 100wpm and all I can say is special forms special forms special forms! That and write small, you won't believe the different it makes
Reply 392
Does anyone know anything about the International Journalism MA at City?
AlexandraRose2010
Not sure if this question has already been covered because there was sooooo much to go through that i couldnt possibly read it all...but you said you did your NCTJ course straight after A-level and this is something I am interested in although i'm not really sure how to go about it could you give me some more information please?

But thankyou for everyting you wrote on this thread it has been extremely helpful!


I know I'm about a hundred years late on this one and you've probably already sorted this out. But I did exactly that, finished my A-Levels in June 2008 and started my NCTJ course in September 2008.

Let me know if you want some info and/or advice.
HereFishyFishy
Hello,

Sorry you're having such a hard time. That does sound like quite a confidence knocker.

I'm not entirely sure why you're having such bad luck, but as I'm sure you know, you're by no means alone. It is currently the worst time to try and break into the media industry. Newspapers and magazines - both local and national - have cut back on their freelance employment given the industry's uncertain and, in some respects, dying nature right now. You'll find that most publications are sticking to the freelancers they know are trustworthy, talented and will stick to deadline. A lot hold the attitude that a risky investment - i.e. an unknown writer - really isn't worth it right now.

I'm afraid that while your degrees are impressive, they don't hold much in the media industry. It's about quality writing, being able to interview, being capable of sniffing out a good story and, importantly, making good contacts.

I could be wrong, but from your post you seem quite isolated. Have you made many media contacts in France? Have you taken on some some work experience, perhaps when you're back in the UK? It is key that you meet some of the right people and demonstrate your capabilities in a 'full time' media environment.

Freelance is a really tough job to tackle even when you have the contacts and it's a bit chicken and egg: you need to be respected to get the work, but how do you get the work without being respected? The best thing you can probably do, if you're really set on this career (do you have another source of income?) is to get some work experience when you're back, impress, make contacts and start from there.

By the way, I wouldn't do a distance NCTJ. I always think a journalism course should be about meeting people and making future contacts as much as it is the formal training (i.e. shorthand, media law) which, to be fair, you can learn yourself.


More about contacts than anything else.

The actual talent will come once you accumulate quality experience, I'm not necessarily a fan of qualifications either especially since most of the people I've met don't have loads of them or even a journalism qualification (old and young - I've seen it from both sides in the media since I'm still employed on a casual term).

However, freelance is not a sustainable life, it essentially means you make no money unless you already have a rockstar reputation behind you which most graduates cannot have.

I do wonder how the media will expect to gain its new talent if current organizations just tend to kick the ladder away and stop younger talent climbing up it. Its still probably one of the best careers in the world but unpaid internships are just pure and simply - exploitation.
Reply 395
Thanks u.d. - that's very helpful :smile: I especially agree with your last part - had a very snooty response from the BBC recently dismissing my experience due to it being mostly online (even though it's PAID WORK like any other). If they can't see that this is how the world's going now then perhaps they're the ones in trouble, not me :p:
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Reply 397
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Hey, bit of advice needed here.

I graduated with my Journalism degree last year but since then haven't done much with it. Mostly being down to the way every industry has been affected with the economic downturn. Since then, I've been trying to do the odd voluntary writing here and there and working full time to earn abit of money.

At a recent interview which I didn't get (was a marketing position), it just started to bring into focus what my next step is. I definitely harbour hopes of becoming a journalist but I just would like advice as to what the next move would be in terms of maybe getting more qualifications (NCTJ perhaps? Towards the end of my course, we were getting prepared for taking the NCTJ's but doubt I will remember most of that stuff and I'm guessing the Law revision has changed abit). Or I was thinking of doing a post grad course but I don't feel like adding more debt to what I have already.

Any thoughts?

Cheers

:smile:
Aky786UK
Hey, bit of advice needed here.

I graduated with my Journalism degree last year but since then haven't done much with it. Mostly being down to the way every industry has been affected with the economic downturn. Since then, I've been trying to do the odd voluntary writing here and there and working full time to earn abit of money.

At a recent interview which I didn't get (was a marketing position), it just started to bring into focus what my next step is. I definitely harbour hopes of becoming a journalist but I just would like advice as to what the next move would be in terms of maybe getting more qualifications (NCTJ perhaps? Towards the end of my course, we were getting prepared for taking the NCTJ's but doubt I will remember most of that stuff and I'm guessing the Law revision has changed abit). Or I was thinking of doing a post grad course but I don't feel like adding more debt to what I have already.

Any thoughts?

Cheers

:smile:


How much work experience have you got??? I just finished a few days at a local paper this week and I learnt so much. I've got a degree in English Lit, but no prior journalism experience until recently. I now realise that journalism is what I want to do. People told me at the local paper to get as much work experience as possible, so you can prove you do the job. If you impress at work experience, then you're more than likely be offered a job there if one comes up. I'm going to keep getting work experience and then do an NCTJ, if i can't find a paper that will train me on the job as a reporter.

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