Lazy people annoy me

Vanity aside....Do you feel any difference in your confidence/self esteem/energy levels since you began exercising?

Saying all that is very well, but when you feel that lifting weights makes you more useful as a person and think that suggesting someone doesn't lift works as a counter-argument it's all rather hollow isn't it?

Wrong.

And, assuming that you've made progress since lifting/exercising, have you noticed any changes in yourself?

Yep. Firmer all round. Developing nice biceps, bum's tauter.

how's that being vain! You asked! And yeah definitely (:

Those aren't contradictory goals.

So Hellz_Bellz has made improvements to herself in general through exercise/training (and I congratulate her and hope she continues). This is an example of someone becoming more useful.

Ok first of all...I'm fully aware that not everyone in the world is interested in "building muscle", "increasing VO2 max", "getting ripped" or whatever other fitness goals there is out there. It just so happens that we live in a world where there is much to do, and many things to take interest in and there is limited time to do it in.

However...everyone knows, on some level, that the gym and becoming generally healthier and fitter is a very good thing to commit to. People must understand that a stronger person is a more useful person. It should be common sense that someone who can do HIIT or run for long distances will have more energy in general, and be less bothered about routine tasks. It should also be obvious that people who eat decent, well-balanced meals will have more focus and a better feeling in general than someone who eats crap every day.

Personally, I don't really care if I get validation from other people or not. And it's not like I'd enjoy a crowd of people watching me set a new PB. It's not like that. But what I don't get is why people have to make snide comments about the fact you go to the gym? Or the fact they try and convince you to not even bother? Or they give you advice, knowing full-well they don't know what they're talking about. Seriously...if you're not interested in lifting then just don't lift, and don't speak of it. No need to try and talk down to people who do just to make yourself feel better.

It begs the question also. If they're feeling so self-conscious around people who take their health seriously...then why don't they do something about it? If it doesn't matter to them, then why do they always bring it up? Why can't they just live and let live and let people do their own thing?

Just can't wait for the day when people accept that this is what your about and just respectfully just let you get on with it. I'm guessing that doesn't happen until you're a certain size/BF%, lol.

/rant

I think you've confused being beneficial to oneself with being useful. Having a tauter bum is nice for the person with the tauter bum. It doesn't make her a more valuable or useful individual than someone with a less taut bum.

It's also rather distasteful to play the sycophant in order to try to drag someone else onto your side and draw this all out.

I think you've confused being beneficial to oneself with being useful. Having a tauter bum is nice for the person with the tauter bum. It doesn't make her a more valuable or useful individual than someone with a less taut bum.

It's also rather distasteful to play the sycophant in order to try to drag someone else onto your side and draw this all out.

Nice barrel scraping. Lmfao.

This talk of "sides" makes you sound rather childish, my friend.

An increased self confidence from being happier in your appearence can only make you perfrom better at things like work or education. So really, it is useful, in a way.

That's true actually, though something like that feels indirect enough that the claim that a person who exercises is more useful than a person who doesn't still feels a step too far.

The more I think about it, it could also go the other way, the increased confidence could lead to cockyness, arrogance, god complex. This could screw up your work rate etc.

We are all doomed.

This is all getting rather tiring and I suspect at least some of this is down to your apparent annoyance at my making a joke at your expense in another thread. If you consider it of importance, feel free to interpret this as a victory.

Not everyone does regular exercise, not everyone sticks to a macrobiotic diet, and not everyone is toned, ripped and a size 8.

But if they're not morbidly obese and costing the NHS millions of pounds a year for treatment for CHD, diabetes, etc, then why does it bother you so much?

I think maybe you should get off your high horse... I get sick of fitness buffs who think they're better than everyone.

None of these people lift/exercise, I'll wager.

I go to the gym 3 times a week for an hour session each. I also cycle as my primary means of transport and partake in frequent recreational rock-climbing.

Not as smart as you thought you were, are you?

You're qualifying yourself to a stranger over the internet.

But good job on hitting the gym 3 times week.

And you're psycho-analysing strangers over the internet.