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200,000 strong Islamic Mob - "Hang Atheists"

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Original post by Steevee


What a thoughtful reply :rolleyes:


Thank you. I always try to impress people over the Internet with mad debating skills without knowing what i'm talking about.
Original post by lucaf
unless you consider a Christian country to be a country run by Christian law (in which case asking people to provide one not run by Christian law is by definition impossible) then I think being overwhelmingly populated by Christians is as good a measure as any.

and no, they cannot be compared. which is why when they disagree with the government Americans protest, and Bangladeshis riot and call for hangings.

What's a riot as opposed to a protest?
A Christian country, in my opinion (since you did ask for it, indirectly), is one which is heavily populated with practicing Christians. The USA doesn't fit.
Original post by Scumbaggio
It is in Bangladesh though, a country which the world would not miss if it suddenly disappeared without a trace.

Give them facebook, sports, SKY tv, alcohol and pornography and they wouldn't give a **** about Islam.


What? Are you asking for the extermination of the Bangladeshi people? It's not OK if you said something like Israel (especially Israel), or the Ukraine, or Burma etc... but it's suddenly OK to say that because it's Bangladesh?

Need I remind you, that the world didn't really even care for England for centuries...
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Original post by originaltitle
Innocent indeed? If you say a person who goes around insulting another's beliefs to fulfill no purpose whatsoever but does it out of sheer spite and does it only to satisfy himself that he has the upper hand and that his 'freedom of speech' is not marred is not calling for trouble, then I suppose they were innocent and deserved no punishment.

How do you know they were insulting the beliefs of others, rather than just not believing in outdated fairytales? And even if they did insult anyones beliefs, this doesn't mean their lives should be forfeit; I think lives are more important than delusions :smile:
Reply 64
Original post by getoom
Thank you. I always try to impress people over the Internet with mad debating skills without knowing what i'm talking about.


Apologies, I thought we were in a debate forum, a forum specifically set up for the purpose of debate. Silly me :rolleyes:
Reply 65
Original post by originaltitle
What's a riot as opposed to a protest?
A Christian country, in my opinion (since you did ask for it, indirectly), is one which is heavily populated with practicing Christians. The USA doesn't fit.


a riot involves more breaking things.

the USA is over three quarters Christian. if it doesn't fit your definition now it certainly did a couple of generations back, and so was still a Christian country governed by non christian laws. it certainly never had a blasphemy law.
Original post by originaltitle
Does it irk you that a misunderstood people have an eloquent friend by their side, maestro? Also, it was 'presumptuous insect' and 'impudent rascal'; don't mix the one with the other (it doesn't have the same ring to it).


It is an honour and a privilege, sir. I would say that I have never heard moral obscenity and wrongheadedness expressed so delightfully, but I have after all read Carlyle on Mill.
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Original post by Steevee
Dear me, you're as bad as that Fatihah guy, or whatever his name is. I'm going to spell this out for you, if you fail to understand after this, I'll not reply again as I have exam work to be doing.

Your contention is that if these Islamists could simply kill these Atheists themselves, they would have no reason to attempt to make the government change the law. Now, imagine a country where there was no rubbish collection, and I could take my own rubbish to a landfill. Could you think of a reason why I would still lobby the government to have some sort of refuse collection system? Obviously, the issue at hand is far more emotive for these Islamists, some have already taken the law into their own hands, but they wish to make blasphemy a crime. Another example, to really spell it out. Imagine rape was not illegal, sure we could go around and kill rapists, but do you not think we'd want rape made illegal aswell?


Gosh, your pertinacity is laughable. Why would one want to brand a crime a crime when it would be the same to him and to everybody else, one way or another, namely: that the culprit would be punished. And I'm sure Bangladeshis are acquainted with the inefficiency of their government, if so it may be called, to waste much time, money and muscle over something they know will yield nothing.
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Original post by originaltitle
Gosh, your pertinacity is laughable. Why would one want to brand a crime a crime when it would be the same to him and to everybody else, one way or another, namely: that the culprit would be punished. And I'm sure Bangladeshis are acquainted with the inefficiency of their government, if so it may be called, to waste much time, money and muscle over something they know will yield nothing.


So you honestly have no idea why one would want something branded a crime rather than deal with every instance of it them self?

Derp'ing hard bro :lolwut:
Reply 69
Original post by originaltitle
Gosh, your pertinacity is laughable. Why would one want to brand a crime a crime when it would be the same to him and to everybody else, one way or another, namely: that the culprit would be punished. And I'm sure Bangladeshis are acquainted with the inefficiency of their government, if so it may be called, to waste much time, money and muscle over something they know will yield nothing.


well I guess we may as well go legalize murder and rape then. we all know it is wrong, so why have the government recognize and punish it as such right? :rolleyes:
Original post by Steevee
Apologies, I thought we were in a debate forum, a forum specifically set up for the purpose of debate. Silly me :rolleyes:


Yeah, we are, i just like to keep this in mind

"Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience"


Takes me a while to remember it though.
Original post by Steevee
So you honestly have no idea why one would want something branded a crime rather than deal with every instance of it them self?

Derp'ing hard bro :lolwut:

Original post by lucaf
well I guess we may as well go legalize murder and rape then. we all know it is wrong, so why have the government recognize and punish it as such right? :rolleyes:

Why indeed, when we have a perfectly capable group of miscreants to deal with all the rapists in the proper way (by killing them). That way justice would be served and by the correct people (the relatives). Besides, there's nothing to guarantee that the government will punish them to the satisfaction of those who are calling for the government to punish, now is there.
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Reply 72
Original post by DeathGuardElite
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Original post by Dinghy
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Original post by Blackburn_Allen
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Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish
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In Islam, all legal punishments need to go through an authentic court of law. Islam does not allow such wild mob justice surely?

I don't even know much about this to be honest.

Islamically, there is no punishment in being an atheist whatsoever. Unless ofcourse the atheist begins to vilely insult Islamic figures, spread rife corruption ? But a peaceful atheist who rationally argues their point of view, is allowed to stay that way?

Muhammed pbuh had debates with atheists ... muslims today have plenty of debates with atheists, and we invite them to our own mosques/centers and treat them with respect.

The Holy Quran makes it clear:

Holy Quran:"There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing."


Holy Quran: "And say: The truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve..."

God even says in the Quran:
Noble Verses 10:99-100"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand."

The Quran clearly states, if God had wanted everyone would believe, so will muslims force belief upon people?(it shuns this)
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Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish
It is an honour and a privilege, sir. I would say that I have never heard moral obscenity and wrongheadedness expressed so delightfully, but I have after all read Carlyle on Mill.

Perhaps I will succeed in luring you on to our side and in the future any battles to be fought shall be done so together.
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Original post by getoom
Yeah, we are, i just like to keep this in mind



Takes me a while to remember it though.


That's cute.


Original post by originaltitle
Why indeed, when we have a perfectly capable group of miscreants to deal with all the rapists in the proper way (by killing them). That way justice would be served and by the correct people (the relatives). Besides, there's nothing to guarantee that the government will punish them to the satisfaction of those who are calling for the government to punish, now is there.


Right, so you believe in total vigilante justice? :lolwut:
Reply 75
Original post by originaltitle
Why indeed, when we have a perfectly capable group of miscreants to deal with all the rapists in the proper way (by killing them). That way justice would be served and by the correct people (the relatives). Besides, there's nothing to guarantee that the government will punish them to the satisfaction of those who are calling for the government to punish, now is there.


I actually cannot tell if this is a joke or not, but I will assume it isn't: because vigilante justice is a ****ing retarded way to run a country. I shouldn't even need to deign that with an explanation, so I won't.
Reply 76
None of that is an excuse for killing innocent atheists.


The political situation in Bangladesh is very complex. To be honest, most people who are actually being killed are the protestors. The police report that 27 have been killed by the police. The reality is likely to be much higher. (government imposed media blackout, no one knows for sure)

Religion is a very small dimension of the greater reason for these protests; a banner to unite more than anything else.

One thing that does surprise me is how the world is turning a blind eye to what the government is doing there. There is a very real chance of civil war breaking out here.

To those who argue it 'serves them right for wanting to kill atheists'. You are denying real issue considered problematic throughout humanity: corruption. How do you expect people to be 'educated' when the money for schools is siphoned by the political elite?

...I suppose it's better for this to be talked about since the media seems not to care, even if it was simply the OPs intention to simply divide people.
Reply 77
Original post by theserene
The political situation in Bangladesh is very complex. To be honest, most people who are actually being killed are the protestors. The police report that 27 have been killed by the police. The reality is likely to be much higher. (government imposed media blackout, no one knows for sure)

Religion is a very small dimension of the greater reason for these protests; a banner to unite more than anything else.

One thing that does surprise me is how the world is turning a blind eye to what the government is doing there. There is a very real chance of civil war breaking out here.

To those who argue it 'serves them right for wanting to kill atheists'. You are denying real issue considered problematic throughout humanity: corruption. How do you expect people to be 'educated' when the money for schools is siphoned by the political elite?

...I suppose it's better for this to be talked about since the media seems not to care, even if it was simply the OPs intention to simply divide people.


Umm, this entire 200,000 strong protest was in the name of the Quran and implementing stricter Islamic law based on the Quran, so that doesn't really ring true I'm afraid.
Reply 78
Original post by Blackburn_Allen
Again, this is no excuse for hanging innocent people. You are trying to defend murder - don't.


I'm defending the right for expression and the right to protest...........and going against the governments heavy handed approach which led to many deaths.


Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish
The fact that they are Muslims is not incidental to this. It is not a mob of people who just happen to be Muslims protesting and/or rioting about something unrelated. They were rioting in support of a greater incorporation of Islam into the country's law. That makes it appropriate to refer to it as an 'Islamic mob.'


The majority of Bangladesh is Muslim..........the protests from before this issue was done by 2 parties one of which is based on Islam, yet they weren't called "Islamic". Another thing is who says what they say is Islam............and again I point to my original point, people jump at protesting against the government, as successive governments are corrupted and have done nothing for the people generally. Especially where it involves a opportunity to attack security forces.
Reply 79
Original post by Steevee
Umm, this entire 200,000 strong protest was in the name of the Quran and implementing stricter Islamic law based on the Quran, so that doesn't really ring true I'm afraid.


Do you really think 200,000 people would come out just for religion? It's corruption.

There are two opposition factions, the 'islamists' and the BNP (I think). I can't remember the people in power. In terms of supporters, think of the 'islamists' as lib dem compared to the BNP and ruling party as labour/conservative. (i.e. the minority support the islamsits) Because of the police brutality, they have attempted a sort of joint opposition to the ruling party. Does that help clear it up?

Hmmm...maybe the media is avoiding it because it's too complicated situation? If people on TSR don't get it then :sigh:

And like I said before, if you want to educate people so the don't want to murder atheists, getting rid of corruption is perhaps the most efficient method. But this is my economics degree seeing corruption as the bane of civilisation and economic growth, so if you can purpose a lasting alternative to education, I'd love to hear it.

(and above poster said, no matter which party is in power, they're always corrupt, secular or not)
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