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TSR Med Students' Society Part V

Out of curiosity which bits do you reckon are better than the current contract? I don't think I've heard anybody express the opinion that the new one is > the old one yet! Of course I think the latest one was >>> all the other offers they made, but I'd see no problem in sticking with the status quo.

Individual guardian-reports about working late > rota monitoring where achieving minimum return rate is a nightmare
Max 8 consecutive shifts > 12 consecutive shifts
Max 5 consecutive nights > 7 consecutive nights
Max whatever the hours cut-off is > working 130 hours in 12 days
Pay for work done > 3 arbitrary pay groupings
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Beska

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Original post by Becca-Sarah

Individual guardian-reports about working late > rota monitoring where achieving minimum return rate is a nightmare
Max 8 consecutive shifts > 12 consecutive shifts
Max 5 consecutive nights > 7 consecutive nights
Max whatever the hours cut-off is > working 130 hours in 12 days
Pay for work done > 3 arbitrary pay groupings
**

This, basically

Reply 9722

lcsurfer

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Original post by MJK91

Failed SAQ paper by 5 marks, kill meeeee. Feel a little better knowing it was 10 mark question on Wernicke-Korsakoff that cost me though (1/10 lol). Bring on resits! :frown:

Sorry

. That's so harsh having 10 mark question on that! I'm sure you will smash the resit :biggrin:

Reply 9723

username1044510

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Original post by Becca-Sarah

Individual guardian-reports about working late > rota monitoring where achieving minimum return rate is a nightmare
Max 8 consecutive shifts > 12 consecutive shifts
Max 5 consecutive nights > 7 consecutive nights
Max whatever the hours cut-off is > working 130 hours in 12 days
Pay for work done > 3 arbitrary pay groupings
**

PRSOM.

As a student, I voted to accept.

With the political climate at the moment, I really don't believe a better option will be presented. I voted on the information and current circumstances.

Reply 9724

username1044510

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Original post by MJK91

Failed SAQ paper by 5 marks, kill meeeee. Feel a little better knowing it was 10 mark question on Wernicke-Korsakoff that cost me though (1/10 lol). Bring on resits! :frown:

Good luck with resits.

Reply 9725

Etomidate

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Original post by Becca-Sarah

Individual guardian-reports about working late > rota monitoring where achieving minimum return rate is a nightmare
Max 8 consecutive shifts > 12 consecutive shifts
Max 5 consecutive nights > 7 consecutive nights
Max whatever the hours cut-off is > working 130 hours in 12 days
Pay for work done > 3 arbitrary pay groupings
**

This, plus a rewording of the clause that previously allowed NHS employers to amend the terms of the contract at any point, at their full discretion.

Reply 9726

Kinkerz

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Original post by seaholme

Out of curiosity which bits do you reckon are better than the current contract? I don't think I've heard anybody express the opinion that the new one is > the old one yet! Of course I think the latest one was >>> all the other offers they made, but I'd see no problem in sticking with the status quo.

Probably because you're in the same echo chamber in which around 58% of the people who voted reside.

Most people:
"Oh, this is a vote on the contract? Haven't the junior doctors been in uproar about this stuff? Pfft, obviously vote no! #weallhatejeremy"*

Disclaimer: this might not actually be you.*

Reply 9727

seaholme

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Original post by Kinkerz

Probably because you're in the same echo chamber in which around 58% of the people who voted reside.

Most people:
"Oh, this is a vote on the contract? Haven't the junior doctors been in uproar about this stuff? Pfft, obviously vote no! #weallhatejeremy"*

Disclaimer: this might not actually be you.*

Re: those above, I can see why you'd consider that better than the current one, but I can't help but feel (personally) that those cut-offs of days and so on will affect relatively few rotas, and in any case be manipulated to mean very little. The sample rotas were entirely uninspiring. I also worry that the guardian role is hazy and easy to fudge - whereas at least the rota monitoring was impartial and created action off the back of it. Although I do think it was worth at least giving the Guardian a go, you can't just claim it won't be impartial and effective; because it might. Anyway I didn't actually reply to start an argument or anything, I just wanted to see which bits people felt were an improvement.

It's a little worrying to think that you i.e. @Kinkerz are of the view people are voting purely out of some kind of spite against JH and by implication not even considering it themselves. I sincerely hope you are wrong and people are thinking about what they're doing! All that stuff about being scientific and evidence-based seems like a load of BS otherwise. And to be fair, people seem to be able to justify their reasons for rejecting it. I think it's a little unfair to imply that the majority who voted to reject it was doing some kind of 'up-yours establishment' Brexit equivalent.

Reply 9728

Democracy

OP

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http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4201194

TSR Med Students' Society Part V

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