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Should I work for a Big 4 firm?

Is it worth it? Because I really don't know if I like the culture there.

This might sound a bit strange but I'm looking for more non-toxic and transparent firms to work with during my placement year.

Btw I'm not yet an undergraduate, I'm in Year 12 looking to become a chartered accountant and hopefully, work for charities or in the public sector.
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You could try smaller accounting firms?
Original post by Mr T 999
You could try smaller accounting firms?

Definitely! However, I'm afraid that I'll be viewed as 'lesser than' because I didn't join the big 4.
There is so much hype around them despite all of the scandals.
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Original post by Oceanwater
Definitely! However, I'm afraid that I'll be viewed as 'lesser than' because I didn't join the big 4.
There is so much hype around them despite all of the scandals.


It's because their reputation carrys some weight on your CV. Smaller firms tend to have better culture and its more close-knit so you build better bonds with your co-workers which is difficult at a bigger firm.
Original post by Mr T 999
It's because their reputation carrys some weight on your CV. Smaller firms tend to have better culture and its more close-knit so you build better bonds with your co-workers which is difficult at a bigger firm.

Another issue is that I want to join the PwC Flying start degree programme but of course, that's with PwC and I'll usually be on placement during the busy season. However, it'll help me become a chartered accountant faster.
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Original post by Oceanwater
Another issue is that I want to join the PwC Flying start degree programme but of course, that's with PwC and I'll usually be on placement during the busy season. However, it'll help me become a chartered accountant faster.


You should consider working at a big 4 firm for your placement and then once you graduate go work for a smaller firm.
Original post by Mr T 999
You should consider working at a big 4 firm for your placement and then once you graduate go work for a smaller firm.

Thanks! I think I'll put 2 flying start programmes and 3 normal accounting degrees down for UCAS this year.
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Original post by Oceanwater
Is it worth it? Because I really don't know if I like the culture there.

This might sound a bit strange but I'm looking for more non-toxic and transparent firms to work with during my placement year.

Btw I'm not yet an undergraduate, I'm in Year 12 looking to become a chartered accountant and hopefully, work for charities or in the public sector.

If you want to work in the public sector, then you should aim to work for Grant Thornton. They're the firm with the biggest book of public sector work.

However, otherwise I would just say the Big 4 are not toxic environments to work in. The real culture from my own experience of working at Deloitte is that they tend to be very young because most of the leg work is done by trainees more than half of whom leave after a year or two of qualifying. However, the general youth of these organisations can sometimes be a bad thing - there was a drug culture in my office amongst trainees and I always felt like a bit of an outsider. However, that was nearly 20 years ago now and I think all the Big 4 firms would crack down hard on that now.
Original post by AW_1983
If you want to work in the public sector, then you should aim to work for Grant Thornton. They're the firm with the biggest book of public sector work.

However, otherwise I would just say the Big 4 are not toxic environments to work in. The real culture from my own experience of working at Deloitte is that they tend to be very young because most of the leg work is done by trainees more than half of whom leave after a year or two of qualifying. However, the general youth of these organisations can sometimes be a bad thing - there was a drug culture in my office amongst trainees and I always felt like a bit of an outsider. However, that was nearly 20 years ago now and I think all the Big 4 firms would crack down hard on that now.

Yeah, I no longer want to be an accountant.
Original post by Oceanwater
Yeah, I no longer want to be an accountant.

woah please do not make a decision so quickly based off one post - although very insightful
Like the above person mentioned that was 20 years ago and you should be joining PwC's talent network where they always have events on to showcase the culture, work and the latest things they are up to
I am doing an internship with them and honestly they are super attractive to work with! They have flexible working both at home or at work, they have a 'dress for your day' policy which means you wear whatever you find comfortable, everyone you work with is young and new to the Big4 just like you! I really do not think working with a big4 is toxic in anyway especially since they hire from personality and not just grades. So you will be meeting people from a range of backgrounds, universities, schools and there will definitely be people you get along with! Do apply to attend virtual events that always take place to get a feel for them - they can be done via signing up to PwC's talent pool
Original post by alphabet1012
woah please do not make a decision so quickly based off one post - although very insightful
Like the above person mentioned that was 20 years ago and you should be joining PwC's talent network where they always have events on to showcase the culture, work and the latest things they are up to
I am doing an internship with them and honestly they are super attractive to work with! They have flexible working both at home or at work, they have a 'dress for your day' policy which means you wear whatever you find comfortable, everyone you work with is young and new to the Big4 just like you! I really do not think working with a big4 is toxic in anyway especially since they hire from personality and not just grades. So you will be meeting people from a range of backgrounds, universities, schools and there will definitely be people you get along with! Do apply to attend virtual events that always take place to get a feel for them - they can be done via signing up to PwC's talent pool

Don't worry I didn't base it off of this post, I decided this long ago. I just don't want to be an accountant, it's not something for me. I'll still do an accounting and finance degree, I just have a different path in mind.
Original post by Oceanwater
Yeah, I no longer want to be an accountant.


Sorry, I didn't mean to put you off. Whilst true, it was a flippant remark and not representative of my experience of dealing with auditors over the past 20 years. I shouldn't have said it and it was unprofessional to do so.

Most of the auditors I meet are very young because the fieldwork does tend to be done by new graduates (typical structure is graduates do the fieldwork, one recently qualified person - so still normally young - is with you to supervise the fieldwork and then the seniors tend to be back at the office managing multiple audits and will come out to the office you are working in once a week. For the very big FTSE 100 audits I suspect it's a bit different but I specialised in fund companies so they tended to be quite small team audits. I did part of an audit of a big construction company but that was still just me and a supervisor in the client office most of the time). The drug culture was very much localised to my office and not apparent when I was sent on secondments.

Accounting is a great career with lots of opportunities. There are also similar professions such as Tax Advisor, Treasurer and my own profession of company secretarial which are also really rewarding.

If you want an interesting career in the public sector I would highly recommend Grant Thornton to you though. GT took over the largest book of work from the National Audit Office when it was outsourced so although the Big 4 all have a piece of it, it's GT that has the best programme for public sector trainees in my opinion.

In terms of profile, employers will know GT too. Outside the Big 4, GT and BDO were traditionally fifth and sixth although RSM, Mazars and Baker Tilly are also close in terms of size and I think GT is seventh by revenue at the moment.
What do you mean by toxic culture? What aspects are you trying to avoid?
Are the school leaver programmes at big 4 worth your consideration since you're applying for pwc flying start? So 5 years employed at big 4 whilst completing chartered accounting qualification. Not degree though but you can move onto other things after 5 years.
Original post by rainbowcolours1
Are the school leaver programmes at big 4 worth your consideration since you're applying for pwc flying start? So 5 years employed at big 4 whilst completing chartered accounting qualification. Not degree though but you can move onto other things after 5 years.

I'm no longer interested in becoming an accountant.
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Original post by username5701862
Is it worth it? Because I really don't know if I like the culture there.

This might sound a bit strange but I'm looking for more non-toxic and transparent firms to work with during my placement year.

Btw I'm not yet an undergraduate, I'm in Year 12 looking to become a chartered accountant and hopefully, work for charities or in the public sector.

Is it worth joining Big 4? Deloitte vs KPMG vs PwC vs Ernst & Young

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