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Could someone help show me how to derive the equations and when they are used:

ax=-(2pif)^2x
x=Acos(2pift)

thanks.
Reply 1
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Original post by Zenarthra
Could someone help show me how to derive the equations and when they are used:

ax=-(2pif)^2x
x=Acos(2pift)

thanks.


It might help if you use Latex for equations so that they are more readable.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/LaTeX

Alternatively, use your Windows character map to find the Greek letters
αβγδεζηθλμπρφω for example
and other useful characters such as squared ² and half ½ .

Or use the superscript and subscript buttons in the word processing window you type your message in. On mine they are directly under the bold and italic buttons. If they are not there you will find the option in your TSR account settings.

Is the first equation meant to be
ax=(2πf)2xa_x=-(2\pi f)^2 x
?
(done using Latex)

or
ax = -(2πf)2x
(using the subscript superscript buttons.)

To see how it's done reply to my post using the quote button and take a look at my post.

In answer to your question, the 1st formula isn't derived it's the definition of SHM except that the constant in the defining equation is ω² and ω is by definition 2πf

The 2nd equation is obtained by integrating the first one twice.
However, at A level in physics it's normally shown to be true by differentiating it twice to obtain the 1st equation.
(edited 10 years ago)
Reply 3
Original post by Stonebridge
It might help if you use Latex for equations so that they are more readable.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/LaTeX

Alternatively, use your Windows character map to find the Greek letters
αβγδεζηθλμπρφω for example
and other useful characters such as squared ² and half ½ .

Or use the superscript and subscript buttons in the word processing window you type your message in. On mine they are directly under the bold and italic buttons. If they are not there you will find the option in your TSR account settings.

Is the first equation meant to be
ax=(2πf)2xa_x=-(2\pi f)^2 x
?
(done using Latex)

or
ax = -(2πf)2x
(using the subscript superscript buttons.)

To see how it's done reply to my post using the quote button and take a look at my post.

In answer to your question, the 1st formula isn't derived it's the definition of SHM except that the constant in the defining equation is ω² and ω is by definition 2πf

The 2nd equation is obtained by integrating the first one twice.
However, at A level in physics it's normally shown to be true by differentiating it twice to obtain the 1st equation.


Oh, why is it Cos(ω)?
Original post by Zenarthra
Oh, why is it Cos(ω)?


It's A cos(ωt) in the example.
This formula for displacement can be either
x=Asin(ωt) or x=Acos(ωt) depending on where you consider time starts.
If it starts when the object is at maximum displacement from equilibrium you can use cos. If you consider it starts from the equilibrium position, where x=0, then you can use sin. It just depends where the object is when t=0
(edited 10 years ago)
Original post by Zenarthra
Could someone help show me how to derive the equations and when they are used:

ax=-(2pif)^2x
x=Acos(2pift)

thanks.


Just in case you wanted to know how the expression for the displacement of an object moving in simple harmonic motion is derived:

a=ω2xa = -\omega^2 x

Acceleration is a function of displacement, so a=vdvdxa = v \dfrac{dv}{dx}

vdvdx=ω2xv \dfrac{dv}{dx} = -\omega^2 x

v dv=ω2x dx\displaystyle \int v \ dv = -\omega^2 \int x \ dx

12v2=12ω2x2+C\dfrac{1}{2} v^2 = - \dfrac{1}{2} \omega^2 x^2 + C

We know that when the velocity of the object is 0, it is on the point of turning around and has therefore reached maximum displacement from the equilibrium position. This displacement is called the amplitude, aa. In other words:

v=0    x=av = 0 \iff x = a

12ω2a2=C  12v2=12ω2(a2x2) v2=ω2(a2x2) v=±ωa2x2\begin{aligned} \therefore \dfrac{1}{2} \omega^2 a^2 = C & \ \Rightarrow \ \dfrac{1}{2} v^2 = \dfrac{1}{2} \omega^2 (a^2 - x^2) \\ & \ \Rightarrow v^2 = \omega^2 (a^2 - x^2) \\ & \ \Rightarrow v = \pm \omega \sqrt{a^2 - x^2} \end{aligned}

Since velocity is the rate of change of displacement.

dxdt=±ωa2x2\dfrac{dx}{dt} = \pm \omega \sqrt{a^2 - x^2}

This integration can be performed by the separation of the variables:

1a2x2 dx=±ωdt\displaystyle \int \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}}\ dx = \pm \omega \int dt

A substitution cracks the integral on the LHS and the RHS is easy as π\pi

Let x=asinθdxdθ=acosθLet \ x = a \sin \theta \Rightarrow \dfrac{dx}{d\theta} = a \cos \theta

asinθa2(1sin2θ) dθ=±ωdt\displaystyle \int \dfrac{a \sin \theta}{\sqrt{a^2 (1-\sin^2 \theta)}}\ d\theta = \pm \omega \int dt

dθ=±ωdt\displaystyle \int d\theta = \pm \omega \int dt

θ=±ωt+C\theta = \pm \omega t + C

From the substitution, θ=arcsin(xa)\theta = \arcsin \left( \dfrac{x}{a} \right)

arcsin(xa)=±ωt+C\arcsin \left( \dfrac{x}{a} \right) = \pm \omega t + C

xa=sin(ωt+C)\dfrac{x}{a} = \sin (\omega t + C)

x=asin(ωt+C)x = a \sin (\omega t + C)
Reply 6
Original post by Stonebridge
It's A cos(ωt) in the example.
This formula for displacement can be either
x=Asin(ωt) or x=Acos(ωt) depending on where you consider time starts.
If it starts when the object is at maximum displacement from equilibrium you can use cos. If you consider it starts from the equilibrium position, where x=0, then you can use sin. It just depends where the object is when t=0


Oh, how is ωt related to theta?
Reply 7
Original post by Khallil
Just in case you wanted to know how the expression for the displacement of an object moving in simple harmonic motion is derived:

a=ω2xa = -\omega^2 x

Acceleration is a function of displacement, so a=vdvdxa = v \dfrac{dv}{dx}

vdvdx=ω2xv \dfrac{dv}{dx} = -\omega^2 x

v dv=ω2x dx\displaystyle \int v \ dv = -\omega^2 \int x \ dx

12v2=12ω2x2+C\dfrac{1}{2} v^2 = - \dfrac{1}{2} \omega^2 x^2 + C

We know that when the velocity of the object is 0, it is on the point of turning around and has therefore reached maximum displacement from the equilibrium position. This displacement is called the amplitude, aa. In other words:

v=0    x=av = 0 \iff x = a

12ω2a2=C  12v2=12ω2(a2x2) v2=ω2(a2x2) v=±ωa2x2\begin{aligned} \therefore \dfrac{1}{2} \omega^2 a^2 = C & \ \Rightarrow \ \dfrac{1}{2} v^2 = \dfrac{1}{2} \omega^2 (a^2 - x^2) \\ & \ \Rightarrow v^2 = \omega^2 (a^2 - x^2) \\ & \ \Rightarrow v = \pm \omega \sqrt{a^2 - x^2} \end{aligned}

Since velocity is the rate of change of displacement.

dxdt=±ωa2x2\dfrac{dx}{dt} = \pm \omega \sqrt{a^2 - x^2}

This integration can be performed by the separation of the variables:

1a2x2 dx=±ωdt\displaystyle \int \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}}\ dx = \pm \omega \int dt

A substitution cracks the integral on the LHS and the RHS is easy as π\pi

Let x=asinθdxdθ=acosθLet \ x = a \sin \theta \Rightarrow \dfrac{dx}{d\theta} = a \cos \theta

asinθa2(1sin2θ) dθ=±ωdt\displaystyle \int \dfrac{a \sin \theta}{\sqrt{a^2 (1-\sin^2 \theta)}}\ d\theta = \pm \omega \int dt

dθ=±ωdt\displaystyle \int d\theta = \pm \omega \int dt

θ=±ωt+C\theta = \pm \omega t + C

From the substitution, θ=arcsin(xa)\theta = \arcsin \left( \dfrac{x}{a} \right)

arcsin(xa)=±ωt+C\arcsin \left( \dfrac{x}{a} \right) = \pm \omega t + C

xa=sin(ωt+C)\dfrac{x}{a} = \sin (\omega t + C)

x=asin(ωt+C)x = a \sin (\omega t + C)


hey, i just wanted to ask since v=-2pifASin(omegat)
how does it simplify to just 2pifA?

Thanks
Original post by Zenarthra
Oh, how is ωt related to theta?


theta = ωt
It's the angular equivalent of s = vt
Reply 9
Original post by Stonebridge
theta = ωt
It's the angular equivalent of s = vt


oh ok, x=Asin(ωt) how do i find the max velocity from this?
And then max acceleration.

thanks
Original post by Zenarthra
oh ok, x=Asin(ωt) how do i find the max velocity from this?
And then max acceleration.

thanks


There is a bunch of formulas for SHM which give such things as max velocity and max acceleration.
If you differentiate that expression wrt time you have velocity.
The maximum velocity occurs when the cosine = 1
So you should be able to work out what that becomes.
The max acceleration comes from the defining equation and occurs at maximum displacement where the restoring force is maximum. When x = amplitude.
Reply 11
Original post by Stonebridge
There is a bunch of formulas for SHM which give such things as max velocity and max acceleration.
If you differentiate that expression wrt time you have velocity.
The maximum velocity occurs when the cosine = 1
So you should be able to work out what that becomes.
The max acceleration comes from the defining equation and occurs at maximum displacement where the restoring force is maximum. When x = amplitude.



if a is max when x=A then why isn't it this:

amax=ω2Aamax = -\omega^2 A
Original post by Zenarthra
if a is max when x=A then why isn't it this:

amax=ω2Aamax = -\omega^2 A


What do you mean? Isn't this?

The defining equation is
a=ω2xa = -\omega^2 x
So the maximum value of a occurs when x is equal to the amplitude. The maximum value of x.

So what are you asking?
(edited 10 years ago)
Reply 13
Original post by Stonebridge
What do you mean? Isn't this?

The defining equation is
a=ω2xa = -\omega^2 x
So the maximum value of a occurs when x is equal to the amplitude. The maximum value of x.

So what are you asking?


amax=ω2xamax = \omega^2 x

Why did they miss out the -?
Is it so that acceleration points towards the equilibrium position?
"Max" is generally taken to be the largest magnitude.

The minus sign is used to indicate direction so it isn't needed here.
Original post by Zenarthra
amax=ω2xamax = \omega^2 x

Why did they miss out the -?
Is it so that acceleration points towards the equilibrium position?


Who missed it out? Where?
In all your posts before #14 there has been a minus sign.
Reply 16
Original post by Stonebridge
Who missed it out? Where?
In all your posts before #14 there has been a minus sign.


ahh ok sorry for confusion

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