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Ah I've been thinking of going for a while now, the only thing putting me off is that its impossible to get work beforehand! But from what you said it can be done, did you take any written references or anything like that with you or are they not that bothered generally?
Original post by CherryCherryBoomBoom
I might be wrong (I can't check now because I've deleted a load of my private messages) I think it was you who private messaged me some hospitality agencies some months ago, and I did end up joining all of them. Don't recall getting any contact from them though :sad:. I think the job market in the UK is pretty ****ed no matter what I try :sigh:


Cause you live in London you should try applying to creativents they run bars at diff events, seems like they need a lot more people now and you don't really need previous experience.
Original post by greentea123
Cause you live in London you should try applying to creativents they run bars at diff events, seems like they need a lot more people now and you don't really need previous experience.


Did you mean this site? http://www.creativevents.co.uk/?page_id=6

I couldn't find a relevent site when I Googled that word you wrote.
yeah thats the one I currently casually work for, they're always emailing to get more people to work at the events esp this summer so its worth a try. They do give really long hours sometimes though!
Hey OP, what did you personally use in Oz, a backpack or a suitcase, and for what reason? And what did you see other travellers using? I'm just pondering over which one might be better :beard:
Original post by CherryCherryBoomBoom
Hey OP, what did you personally use in Oz, a backpack or a suitcase, and for what reason? And what did you see other travellers using? I'm just pondering over which one might be better :beard:


I took a backpack. Backpacks are necessary if you're thinking of taking it elsewhere e.g. SE Asia, even for a week. SE Asian pavements are in no way suitable for a wheelie suitcase! If you're only going to be in Australia / NZ / other western countries, then you can get away with a wheelie suitcase (although it will make you look a bit like a tourist!)

If you do decide to buy a backpack, then make sure you buy one in a shop with knowledgeable staff (Cotswold Outdoor, Blacks, that sort of place). Backpacks are a bit like children's shoes - there are a lot of different shapes and sizes, and you need to make sure that you get one that fits you and is adjusted properly for you. If you don't, it has the potential to cause you a lot of pain and misery.

Don't buy a backpack online
Original post by Origami Bullets
I took a backpack. Backpacks are necessary if you're thinking of taking it elsewhere e.g. SE Asia, even for a week. SE Asian pavements are in no way suitable for a wheelie suitcase! If you're only going to be in Australia / NZ / other western countries, then you can get away with a wheelie suitcase (although it will make you look a bit like a tourist!)

If you do decide to buy a backpack, then make sure you buy one in a shop with knowledgeable staff (Cotswold Outdoor, Blacks, that sort of place). Backpacks are a bit like children's shoes - there are a lot of different shapes and sizes, and you need to make sure that you get one that fits you and is adjusted properly for you. If you don't, it has the potential to cause you a lot of pain and misery.

Don't buy a backpack online


Ok, thanks for the tips. When I was Googling this topic, some people on another forum said that backpacks can be annoying because apparently you have to empty the whole thing to be able to get to stuff at the bottom, whereas with suitcases this isn't the case. Did you have that problem with your backpack, or are there some backpacks where it's easy to get to the bottom?
Original post by CherryCherryBoomBoom
Ok, thanks for the tips. When I was Googling this topic, some people on another forum said that backpacks can be annoying because apparently you have to empty the whole thing to be able to get to stuff at the bottom, whereas with suitcases this isn't the case. Did you have that problem with your backpack, or are there some backpacks where it's easy to get to the bottom?


Mine had two main compartments - one was the bottom third, which was accessible from the outside, and was where my clothes were stored (it's best to pack out the bottom of your backpack as much as possible - it makes it more comfortable). Then there was the main two thirds, which was accessible from the top, or a zip down the side (which I never bothered using). There was also a pocket in the top, where I kept things that I might want to access quickly / regularly, e.g. my phone. Very few modern backpacks have only one compartment.

In short - I found ways of ensuring that having to empty some things to get to others (as you also have to wheelie suitcases) wasn't to annoying.

PS make sure you don't fill up your backpack when you leave - you will accumulate stuff as you travel!
My tip is to get a backpack that also has wheels, for the best of both worlds. I have a Berghaus Jalan, and having the choice of carrying it on my back or wheeling it has been invaluable. Unlike conventional backpacks the entire front of it opens up as well, much like a suitcase.
Reply 69
I backpacked Oz in 2007 - 2008 and it was AWESOME!!

Take a backpack... carrying a suitcase around is going to break something !

Everyone should check out the west coast, most backpackers only seem to travel the east coast.

I'd do it all again in a second if I could!
Hello, I am wanting to go travelling to Australia. What companies do you recommend? And not recommend?
Reply 71
Original post by Danielle3005
Hello, I am wanting to go travelling to Australia. What companies do you recommend? And not recommend?


You don't need to go with a company, they rip you off! I went with Real Gap's ultimate aussie package and just paid them a lot of money when I could have done it a lot cheaper! The only plus side was I went on a group flight and am close friends with 2 girls from my flight five years later.

You can get a working holiday visa from australia on line and get your insurance etc yourself and it works out a lot cheaper! Plus real gap say they will help you look for jobs and its rubbish unless you're in sydney (although that may have changed now) I got all my own jobs, I called them when I was in brisbane and asked for advice because I couldn't get a job and they advised me to look on line. err! well thanks, I could have figured that out for myself!

You will have an amazing time! I'm so jealous wish I could do it all again. If you have any more questions let me know

Kat
Original post by Danielle3005
Hello, I am wanting to go travelling to Australia. What companies do you recommend? And not recommend?


What KatsToes said :wink:

There really is no need to go with a company - this isn't Papua New Guinea, it's another highly developed English-speaking Western country with a buoyant economy where things are highly unlikely to go wrong - and if they do then they are likely to be things that the company can't help you with. Those things include losing your passport, dying in a freak accident, being arrested (all jobs for the British High Commission in combination with travel insurance) and stuff like running out of money (the company aren't going to give you more!)
Reply 73
Hi I was hoping somebody on this thread might be able to give me some feedback on my thread:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2057607

Thanks
Original post by mavado1097
Hi I was hoping somebody on this thread might be able to give me some feedback on my thread:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2057607

Thanks


Have you read the first post in this thread? Your questions are largely answered there.
Reply 75
Original post by Origami Bullets
Origami Bullets' Big Australian WHV FAQ


So, you want to spent several months in Australia on a working holiday visa . . . I've been there, done that, and I've noticed a lot of people wanting advice, so here's my FAQ. Please post any questions you have below :smile:

What will I need before I go?
- Flights STA (who often do good deals on flights, but are a rip-off for anything else) and AirAsia aren't bad bets for getting the cheapest flights.
- A visa working holiday visas can be obtained from www.immi.gov.au and they cost $270. Don't go anywhere else they're going to rip you off. WHVs allow you to stay in Australia for up to a year, working for each employer for no more than six months. If you want to stay for another year, then you will have to do three months of 'designated work' (farm work often fruit picking in the middle of nowhere) whilst on your first WHV to be eligible. If you don't want to work there, then 3/6 month tourist visas are available.
- Travel insurance yes, you may be covered by medicare (more about that later), but medicare doesn't cover you for things like ambulances, nor does it cover you for things like your baggage being lost or stolen. Make sure it covers you for working, and any activities that you think you might do e.g. scuba diving or skydiving.
- A bank account it's necessary to have your wages paid into. You can set it up & transfer money before you go, and then activate when you get there (you'll need to show your passport and visa). Some of the most popular banks are Commonwealth, Westpac, ANZ and NAB, although the latter's card cannot be used online as it's not a Visa / Mastercard.
- Luggage a wheelie case is entirely viable in Australia, but if you plan on going somewhere like SE Asia, then buy a backpack their pavements simply aren't up to wheelie cases. Try and pack light you will accumulate more stuff over there, and if you forget something then it's not the end of the world you can always replace it later.

What will I need to do when I get there?
- Medicare card essentially it's a bit like the Australian NHS, and we're covered under a reciprocal scheme. However, it doesn't cover everything, so you'll need travel insurance too. To get it, fill out an application form from http://www.medicareaustralia.gov.au/ and then take it to your nearest Medicare office once you get there.
- Tax File Number necessary to stop you being taxed at 48%. You can get one from www.ato.gov.au , but you can only do it once you've entered Australia. You get a 30-day grace period in which you will not be taxed at 48%, which gives you time for the TFN to arrive. When you leave Australia, or at the end of the tax year on 30th June, you can claim back all your tax and 'super' (pension contributions).

Where will I live?
- Hostels are the biggest source of accommodation for backpackers. In them, you will share a dorm with anywhere between 3 and 31 other backpackers (the larger the better if you ask me, although opinions vary). You'll also share a bathroom and kitchen.
[INDENT]- But won't my stuff get nicked? I found backpackers to be surprisingly honest when it comes to big ticket items e.g. laptops and iPods I was forever leaving my laptop unsecured but out of sight (sometimes in plain view though) and it was never stolen. Food, however, is a different matter. In the end, I resorted to buying a blue cool bag from Coles / Woolworths (the two big Australian supermarkets) and padlocking it, which did the trick.
- Aren't they dirty? They're of varying standards. If you manage to go through your entire trip without seeing a cockroach, then I will be highly surprised. Most of the time they're alright though. However, if you're going to be returning to start uni and live in halls, then it will be good practice for living in places where people don't clean up after themselves :wink: And yes, someone is going to have sex in your room sooner or later. Just hope it's not in the bed above / below yours the shaking is rather annoying.
- I want to stay in a hostel long-term! OK that can definitely be arranged. All hostels take on “work for accommodation” staff. As the name suggests, you work for around 15 hours a week in exchange for free accommodation in a staff / long-termers dorm. The work typically involves housekeeping, cleaning the communal kitchen and doing the laundry. It also comes with perks like getting all the goon and other personal belongings (e.g. I have an Abercrombie top from housekeeping; a room mate had iPod speakers) that guests leave behind. If you don't fancy that, then you should be able to negotiate a discount and a move to a long-termers dorm if you agree to stay for a set period of time (typically several weeks / months).
- The best hostels tend to have no bar, but some organised social events. Hostels with a bar tend to be entirely focused on getting you into that bar to spend money, and they often have the noise coming into your room until 3am, whereas hostels without bars tend to organise things like goon pong (like beer pong!), free BBQs, trivia nights and bar crawls all good ways to meet people.
Www.hostelbookers.com is a good way to find hostels, although I have typically found the reviews to be slightly pessimistic.
- You'll find that laundry is expensive normally $4 per wash. Make friends with someone who has been backpacking for a while, and ask them to show you how to operate them with cotton buds instead :biggrin:
- In the end, hostels are the worst living arrangement you could possibly have (on paper) - but you'll also strangely miss it when you leave :wink: [/INDENT]
- You can also stay in a campervan, but you will need to consider
[INDENT]- It's illegal to sleep in a campervan by the side of the road, so make sure you don't get caught
- You still need to shower somewhere. Whilst the showers at Bondi might be an attractive proposition in January, you'll probably die if you try it in July.
- Campervans are expensive and have a horrible tendency to break down in the middle of the Outback, where no car will pass for the next three days.
- Unless you're renting, you'll need find someone to sell it to at the end of your trip. [/INDENT]
- Campsites for tent owners are also occasionally available, but IMHO it's not really worth it there are relatively few of them, and if you buy a tent from another backpacker, you'll probably find it's going to leak (mine flooded :facepalm:).
- If you're going to be staying in the same place for a couple of months, then getting a room in a houseshare is also often possible. Whilst I never tried this, my friend stayed with a group of Aussie students, and a ragtag bunch of backpackers who lived with a nice couple. Try gumtree if you're interested.

I don't have any friends to go with won't I be lonely for my entire trip?
- No most people are travelling by themselves, and they want to make friends too. Typically you'll meet friends in hostels, but also on organised trips. The kitchen, and over a cup of goon in the evening, are typical places to meet people. The friendships you make are strangely intense, but often short lived. Even so, I've kept in contact with a few of them to this day.
- Wait what's this goon stuff you speak of? It's the only alcohol you'll be able to afford. It's 4 or 5 litres in a bag-in-box, and it costs around $14 for a box. Fruity Lexia is the most palatable, but it's still an acquired taste. If you're struggling with the taste, try adding lemonade, juice or squash for “magic goon”. Thinking of buying vodka instead? Ok, but it's $40 for a 750ml bottle . . .

How will I get around Australia?
There are a two main options:
- Campervan (as discussed previously) it's one main advantage being that it gives you the ability to get off the beaten track more.
- Bus
[INDENT]- OzExperience offer a hop-on-hop-off backpacker bus up the East Coast and across a few other routes. However, I went with them from Byron Bay to Cairns and found that it didn't quite live up to all the marketing hype certainly I never made any friends on the bus, I made them all in hostels. There's also only one bus a day which is surprisingly annoying if you're pushed for time, and it's more expensive.
- Greyhound also offer hop-on-hop-off bus passes. They are cheaper, and contain a lot of locals (with whom I had many interesting conversations I don't think I'll ever forget the aboriginal lady asking me if I'd heard about the riots in England :biggrin:) The buses are more comfortable, there are several a day and there are night buses. Night buses = not having to pay for a night's accommodation! [/INDENT]

What about an organised tour of Australia?
- Well, if you want a sub-standard trip for twice the price then go ahead . . . typically they offer some very rushed group transport & accommodation up the east coast at an inflated price, and you have to fork out more if you actually want to see anything. Companies such as Contiki are particularly bad for this.
- The only tour that I've come across that I think is any good is OzIntro's seven day trip (www.ozintro.com). Essentially it's a week in Sydney aimed at people who've just arrived in Australia and you get a variety of organised activities, and you do all the admin stuff like medicare cards and TFNs. If you add up the cost of everything they give you, you couldn't really do it any cheaper anyway, and it's a great way to make friends, but don't be fooled into thinking that you can't get all the admin stuff done yourself.

How much is it going to cost me?
- Not gonna lie, the exchange rate is currently punishing, so a lot.
- The visa states that you need $5000 to support you until you can find work, but in reality they never actually check, and that's rather pessimistic anyway.
- I found that it generally cost me about $300pw for survival i.e. a hostel, food, goon, a couple of nights out and a small luxury.
- You also need to budget for things like a 4WD trip around Fraser Island, Whitsundays, skydiving, seeing the Great Barrier Reef etc.
- There are numerous travel agents (Adventure Travel Bugs, Peter Pans, Wicked Travel, Tribal Travel etc.), all of whom will offer you discounts / freebies if you book multiple things at once with them. They also all have a price-beat guarantee. Hence, I walked around about four of them, getting each to beat the offer of the one before. I got a really good deal in the end, just through haggling.

How easy is it to find work out there? How much can I earn?
- Australia never went into recession like most of the Western world did, so relatively easy. However, you can't afford to be too picky about what kind of work you take bar, restaurant, cleaning. Door-to-door selling and fruit picking are the most common occupations for backpackers. Your time in Australia is unlikely to be hugely career-enhancing in terms of experience. You also need to actually quit moaning that you don't have a job, print off some CVs, and get out there pounding the pavements looking for work. Jobs are not going to come and find you.
- Work is so much easier to find if you actually have experience in a related area, so try and get some before you go. If you can't, you may find yourself doing a bit of CV-puffery. You'll also need to tell a couple of porkies and tell them that you will be working there for the next six months, else they won't take you on.
- Don't sit around in your hostel, moaning that you need a job. It won't help. The best way to find work is to dress smartly (shirt + smart black jeans will do), and walk around with your CV, going into every bar / restaurant / shop etc. along the way, asking to speak to the manager and asking if they have any work available. Gumtree and Seek are also sources of work. If you want to do harvest work (i.e. fruit picking), then check out the Harvest Trail website. If you want to do more general farm work in return for bed and board, then check out www.helpx.net and www.workaway.info
Most backpackers check out the central areas, near to their hostel initially. This is fine, but don't forget to try some more out of the way shopping malls (e.g. the Westfield chain).
- After that bit of doom-and-gloom, there is some good news the wages are fantastic. You can expect to earn $18-20ph plus tips in jobs such as waitressing, which is more than twice what you would earn in the UK at the current exchange rates (2011).

How will I keep in contact with my mum / dad / friends / pet budgie?
- Internet in hostels is strangely expensive usually $4ph. If you can, take your laptop and go to McDonalds and use their free wifi.
- Unlock your phone before you go, and then insert an Australian sim when you get there. Avoid Vodafone and go for a network that piggybacks off of the Optus or Telstra networks, such as Virgin.
- If you forget to do that, then the cheapest option is to buy a cheap backpacker phone out there typically a Nokia 1800. They cost around $30, and include $30 worth of credit anyway :smile:

Anyway, these are a the answers to a selection of the most commonly asked questions on TSR about Aussie WHVs. If you have a question that I haven't answered above, then ask away below and I'll answer :smile:


Hi, in terms of flights, would you book a return flight? im not sure (as booking a return would be sooo long in advance) or do you book a on-way flight, but just at immiration if they ask show sufficent funds or proof that you will have sufficient funds to purchase a flight back? :/ thanks.
Reply 76
Original post by Origami Bullets
Have you read the first post in this thread? Your questions are largely answered there.


Thanks :smile: i'm pretty sure what I will do now.
Original post by mavado1097
Hi, in terms of flights, would you book a return flight? im not sure (as booking a return would be sooo long in advance) or do you book a on-way flight, but just at immiration if they ask show sufficent funds or proof that you will have sufficient funds to purchase a flight back? :/ thanks.


Booking a return flight is a good option for those that know exactly when they will be coming home. For me, I knew when I was coming home because I was starting uni, but others have more open ended plans. It can often work out cheaper to buy return flights too, especially when those tickets are non-changeable.

I'm yet to hear of immigration asking for proof of funds (you're meant to have $5000 on entry, but I can't remember if you have to have money for a return flight on top of that) but if you don't have a return flight, they are likely to ask more questions of you, so it's best to have some proof (e.g. a bank statement) that you do have sufficient funds, just in case.

You'd be extremely foolhardy to go out there without enough money to tide you over, as well as having enough money in reserve for a flight home.
Reply 78
Original post by Origami Bullets
Booking a return flight is a good option for those that know exactly when they will be coming home. For me, I knew when I was coming home because I was starting uni, but others have more open ended plans. It can often work out cheaper to buy return flights too, especially when those tickets are non-changeable.

I'm yet to hear of immigration asking for proof of funds (you're meant to have $5000 on entry, but I can't remember if you have to have money for a return flight on top of that) but if you don't have a return flight, they are likely to ask more questions of you, so it's best to have some proof (e.g. a bank statement) that you do have sufficient funds, just in case.

You'd be extremely foolhardy to go out there without enough money to tide you over, as well as having enough money in reserve for a flight home.


Oh I see, ye i don't have plans to go to uni when i return. During the gap year out there, I might change my perspective on life of what I want to do anyway, at the moment I don't know what I'm going to do. :smile:
Reply 79
Hi!

I've been thinking about doing this for a while, thanks for all your advice!

When you went, did you spend your whole time in hostels?

And did you plan where you wanted to go before you got over there? Like start of here, spend 3 weeks looking around, move onto here, spend a few months working etc.

I keep seeing people referring to the west coast and the east coast and backpacker routes - is there anything in particular you'd reccomend?

Also, how did you get around from place to place, was it just buses all the time?

I have an image of me getting off the plane and just feeling lost :redface:

Thanks!

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