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Reply 140
Original post by Supportive mum

My hear sinks when I hear of all the people doing psychology degrees these days. I am a mother of 4 (youngest going to university in October) and all of them have had friends who did psychology. Few found related jobs. If you want to do clinical psychology, you need a 1st and be accepted on the highly competitive PhD programme. As an alternative, one can do mental health nursing and perhaps go for psychotherapy in the future. It is an interesting time to work in mental health.
It's actually not quite that bad; you need a 2,1 (about 83% of those on the doctorate course have that) and there are roughly one in five places available. Not great but certainly could be worse. It's getting the paid experience and AP posts which is the massive problem.
Reply 141
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Original post by Jackso
It's actually not quite that bad; you need a 2,1 (about 83% of those on the doctorate course have that) and there are roughly one in five places available. Not great but certainly could be worse. It's getting the paid experience and AP posts which is the massive problem.



True.....AP adverts don't stay up long. One at my trust was only on the NHS jobs website for a few hours. There's only one today and that's in Durham, so lots of Durham students may be chasing that!

www.jobs.nhs.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.cgi?selection=912862952
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Original post by aliluvschoc
A degree that isn't seriously respected by who exactly? By you? By employers?

For psychology graduates, you'll find that their degree is seriously respected by employers in all of the areas in which they may choose to pursue a career. Whether that be in the prison service, police, probation, mental health services, the NHS, marketing and promotions, education and whatever else have you. This is because they, unlike you, know what a degree in psychology entails, what skills it presents, what areas of study are covered.

It goes without saying that this degree would not be respected in areas dealing with skills such as that provided only by physics or history.

Likewise, a degree in physics or history would be smirked at in many of these areas in which psychology is sought after, they simply wouldn't be useful.

The fact that you and other people on this forum don't respect a degree in psychology is simply a non-issue. We do not intend to convince you, we intend to convince employers who are already aware of what Psychology is.


The fact that the OP is in this position is due to his lack of post-grad. Psychologists require years of study and training over that which could possibly be offered in an undergraduate degree.


Keep living in your dream world, the fact that OP and all her friends are in this position shows otherwise
Original post by tieyourmotherdown
I don't doubt that they don't have problems getting jobs, however whilst they may find jobs, clearly people doing degrees that are traditionally regarded as worth less are finding jobs as well, otherwise the youth unemployment rate would be vastly above the 25% it currently is.


If you compared the type of jobs that people with highly respected degrees get, vs jobs that people with other degrees get, you'd probably lol

3 years of education to end up working in a retail store is not 3 years well spent
Original post by Lumos
I'm being generous with my language, but the point standards. Psychology degree = job in psychology field.. which is very small and over subscribed. History degree = job in media, law, politics, business.... your options aren't anywhere near as restricted. The way I see it, if you know you don't want to go into scientific research of finance, history is the broadest degree that keeps a wide number of career options open to you. Law has better job prospects, but again limits you. Then we are left with arts and social sciences, of which I think history is the most employable.


Well if infinite is being generous... does that mean you think the real situation is that history has more than infinitely more job prospects?
Reply 146
Original post by notforthe141
Keep living in your dream world, the fact that OP and all her friends are in this position shows otherwise


Well done on ignoring the entire post.
Original post by SophiaKeuning
Heheheheehehehehehehe...I can't wait till you graduate.
You think you're special. Got it all sorted. Know the answer to unemployment.

:teehee:


I've already graduated, and I'm working.
Reply 148
It's nice to know that TSR can still provide constructive advice and a sympathetic ear to those in need.

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Original post by aliluvschoc
OP seems to have been applying to jobs where volunteers may be taken over a paid applicant (and many, many people will opt to volunteer as this helps to get onto a Clinical Doctorate, these applicants would be similarly or more highly qualified than the OP), and it's entirely possible that other applicants had masters degrees already.

It seems that it's the choices the OP has made, rather than the degree. Is the OP really applying for the right positions?

In any case this disproves nothing. Is the OP not loosing out to other Psychology graduates? We don't know.


Wow. I was watching your sig waiting for it to do something, but it didn't :frown:

And OP, Good Luck!
Original post by yothi5
Imperial:cool:
Bath is not a target uni for top employers.


My cousin was once offered a spot at Imperial for chemical engineering. Too expensive...she had to settle for a uni in Hong Kong that gave her a full scholarship. Sounds like you need to be rich just to go to the best unis...
Reply 151
Original post by Joinedup
Well if infinite is being generous... does that mean you think the real situation is that history has more than infinitely more job prospects?


no it means I think it's generous to say that History has infinitely more job prospects. More prospects, yes, infinitely, perhaps not :wink:
I can't believe that no-one has mentioned Public Relations/Marketing/Communications work.

There are LOADS of people with psychology degrees who wind up doing this.

Marketing grads will probably have some knowledge in the psychology field as Consumer Behaviour etc understanding is obviously needed. Knowing how people think in Communications is probably one of the most important aspects of the job. A Marketeer can think up some brilliant Marketing plan within budget that seems amazing but if they have no idea what the consumer wants and they misunderstand it, who cares how brilliant the idea was to begin with?

Try Marketing, seriously.

The degree is not the problem, it never is. It's that people go through university, graduate with decent degrees but they are still idiots in life and can't solve a simple real life problem, such as thinking outside the box for a moment!

Degrees in general unless you are learning an actual skill (engineering, CAD, Graphic Design etc) you will have to actually have the real-world intelligence and common sense to back up your degree afterwards. Anyone can read a book and write a report on a topic if they pay thousands of pounds to do it, doesn't mean you are employable.
Reply 153
Original post by JobHelp
Yes. I have worked in retail, cleaning, dishwashing, floor sweeping, serving (waitressing events). These were all small jobs to fill in the gaps whilst I tried to find something better.


I've read some of this thread now and think I should say something. I will be graduating in July from my Psychology degree (with hopefully a 1st). I have had my plans set out since the early part of my 2nd year. I applied to a Masters in Dance Movement Therapy (DMT) and got a place over a year ago which I will be starting in September. Because DMT is a relatively new field I will more than likely have to become self employed and build my own client base, however a lot of people have been offered jobs through their placement they had to complete on this course.

During this masters I will be working in a cattery (i have done this as my part time job for years), I occasionally do some graphic design work on a freelance basis, and I have just recently set up a face painting business. So basically a lot of my money will come from self-employed work as I have no faith in getting any sort of graduate job yet. I really don't want to be sitting around waiting for some place to offer me a job when I know that's what a lot of other people will be trying to do at the same time. So, self employment is my answer. If you have a skill, why not sell it?

I intend perhaps specialising with children later on so face painting will give me experience working with kids, not to mention that I run a Cub Scout pack which also gives me this experience. But most of all it gives me a lot of skills about how to run a business, I show I can do this stuff by myself rather than sitting around at home waiting for an opportunity. I know a lot of people would just prefer to work for a company, but maybe if thats failing right now, sell your skill/s to get at least SOME form of work experience until something comes along or you will start to get CV gaps which is just a nightmare.

With psychology, it's pretty much impossible to get a psychology related career unless you do post-graduate study. So if that's what your heart is set on, look for a course that you would be interested in. If you want to do something like clinical psychology, you will have to get some form of experience like a psychology assistant job or working in a care home for at least a year before a clinical doctorate will take you on. If you don't want to do psychology related then scour the job websites for suitable things you fancy and apply apply apply. Like with most degrees these days, a bachelors degree isn't really enough anymore to put yourself higher than people without a degree. It's annoying but you've got to do everything you can to help yourself.


TL;DR? Sell a skill and become self employed for a while to prevent CV gaps, do further study and get on a post-grad course, scour job websites and apply apply apply.
Original post by Supportive mum
True.....AP adverts don't stay up long. One at my trust was only on the NHS jobs website for a few hours. There's only one today and that's in Durham, so lots of Durham students may be chasing that!

www.jobs.nhs.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.cgi?selection=912862952


Fellow mom here. Really interesting. Thanks for posting the link. Are AP posts advertised trust by trust or is there a central place where you can find them all gathered together as well? Tough if the applicants have to go through every trust in the country and the ads are only up for a few hours!

:smile:
Original post by catoswyn
Fellow mom here. Really interesting. Thanks for posting the link. Are AP posts advertised trust by trust or is there a central place where you can find them all gathered together as well? Tough if the applicants have to go through every trust in the country and the ads are only up for a few hours!

:smile:


Not sure whether they'd be advertised elsewhere too, but the NHS jobs website has them.

www.jobs.nhs.uk/index.html use the search box for 'assistant psychologist' and it will come up with any at any trust.

You certainly have to be on the ball. My eldest was after a lab assistant job when he first graduated and similarly, ads would disappear very quickly.
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Original post by Supportive mum
Not sure whether they'd be advertised elsewhere too, but the NHS jobs website has them.

www.jobs.nhs.uk/index.html use the search box for 'assistant psychologist' and it will come up with any at any trust.

You certainly have to be on the ball. My eldest was after a lab assistant job when he first graduated and similarly, ads would disappear very quickly.


Thanks for that.

:smile:
Original post by Lumos
no it means I think it's generous to say that History has infinitely more job prospects. More prospects, yes, infinitely, perhaps not :wink:


History has probably less job prospects than Psychology in point of fact. Psychology and Geography graduates are least likely to be unemployed among those with general, non specific degrees (as opposed to medicine, nursing etc). Perhaps someone should break the bad news to the history student!

:smile:
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Original post by Supportive mum
Are any of you interested in mental health nursing? A PgDip takes 2 years and the fees are paid by the NHS. In the meantime, consider HCA work in mental health.

www.jobs.nhs.uk/index.html

The PgDip course would be incredibly competitive but is a very good career choice.

My heart sinks when I hear of all the people doing psychology degrees these days. I am a mother of 4 (youngest going to university in October) and all of them have had friends who did psychology. Few found related jobs. If you want to do clinical psychology, you need a 1st and be accepted on the highly competitive PhD programme. As an alternative, one can do mental health nursing and perhaps go for psychotherapy in the future. It is an interesting time to work in mental health.

Many will disagree with me, but I also have to say that the money is very good. In London, the starting salary for a newly qualified MHN is just under £25k!


Good advice but be careful when assuming that all psychology students want to be clinical psychologists, personally I know that myself along with about 75% of my course want nothing to do with the clinical, educational or forensic fields that you most think of when you think psychology. I agree with looking for health related jobs though; personally I want to be an occupational therapist when I graduate (will need to do a PG but hey!)
Original post by kiss_me_now9
Good advice but be careful when assuming that all psychology students want to be clinical psychologists, personally I know that myself along with about 75% of my course want nothing to do with the clinical, educational or forensic fields that you most think of when you think psychology. I agree with looking for health related jobs though; personally I want to be an occupational therapist when I graduate (will need to do a PG but hey!)


OT is a good plan! And at least your fees will be paid by the NHS! I am not assuming that many psych graduates want to do clinical, just that that was where the thread was going. A friend's son did an MSc in Occupational Psychology, having worked as a waiter for more than a year. He is now working in HR.

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