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Original post by Sophie1988
Hi,

I was just wondering what universities in the south/central London area people were applying for 2014/2015 primary school PGCE? As I am thinking of applying to Kingston, St Mary's, Rosehampton or Goldsmiths ( I don't think I have a strong enough application to apply for IoE) but no idea which ones to apply for!

Also has anyone done a degree in Education Studies (I have a 2.2 from a Russell group Uni) and has this given you any advantage over studying a national curriculum subject? ( I also have after school club/observation experience)

Suffering from a major lack of anyone to discuss this with as all my teacher friends are secondary! so any advice would be much appreciated, thanks.:smile:


Sorry, not sure how useful this is because I haven't applied to any courses yet, but I'm doing an Educational Studies degree too and I think it'll be just as useful as a national curriculum subject just because of all the things we learn about how to teach. :smile: I think having knowledge of special educational needs, e-learning, and education policy could all be really helpful. But in any case you just need to highlight the really useful parts of the degree in your application and I'm sure you'll be fine. :smile:
Just managed to get myself a one afternoon a week placement at a primary school from september :biggrin: so happy!
Original post by jeffercake
Well, after changing my mind about teaching secondary English and opting instead to do a PGCE in primary, I have spent the last week handing out letters to local primary schools begging for a volunteer placement! Today, I had to start going further afield because I had a lot of rejections ("we have too many volunteers", "we don't have space" etc).

I'm happy to say that one school accepted me immediately! I spoke to the principal straight away and she said they were desperate for volunteers so I could start in September! That's 3 full weeks in September plus one day a week from October (when I'll be back at uni). So happy!

I really enjoyed working in secondary, but I do feel that primary is more my thing. I'm glad I've done both so I have realised which is better for me. I think that will be good on my application - that I have tried both so I know for sure where I want to work.

Phew! So glad that's sorted. I'm going to start on my personal statement over summer - anyone else?
Where are you all applying and what are you doing over summer to improve your application?
Anyone going for School Direct as well as the PGCE?

:biggrin:


Going to start on my personal statement soon too :smile: Although just a draft because I am going to wait until I've got more experience. In my last volunteer placement I just helped the kids with their work in maths, r.e, pse lessons and occasionally reading.

I've just got a placement at a Welsh Primary school so need to brush up on my Welsh. But it shouldn't be too bad with children. I am really hoping to do a PGCE through the medium of Welsh, just need to gain some more confidence in speaking it as I am fluent.

I am hoping in my new placement to be able to get more of an insight into lesson planning, the curriculum etc. Because before I was just helping the kids with their work and didn't find out much else but I really enjoyed helping them.
Reply 183
Original post by polka_dott
Sometimes they ask you to do it after they give you an offer eg. spend 5 days in a primary school before beginning a secondary PGCE.






Original post by Airfairy
Yeah, as others have said it tends to be a condition of offer, is all. They won't turn you down on the basis that you haven't done any prior to interview.


Thanks guys, that puts my mind at rest a little more.
Original post by mango93
Hi, I'm really stuck: I have managed to find a school willing to let me do 5 days of observations in September (hallelujah!) but they have asked me to get a CRB check... I don't know much about CRB except that I can't just apply for myself, right? I emailed back asking for the form and got this:
Here is the link to beginning the CRB procedure (now DBS). We don’t do it as it needs to be done through the official system.

https://www.gov.uk/disclosure-barring-service-check/overview

But that's where it says you can't do it yourself! Am I missing something really obvious here? Please help!


Sorry I can't help as I've always had the schools do them for me. I hope you manage to get it sorted though!
Reply 185
Original post by BabyGirl92
Going to start on my personal statement soon too :smile: Although just a draft because I am going to wait until I've got more experience. In my last volunteer placement I just helped the kids with their work in maths, r.e, pse lessons and occasionally reading.

I've just got a placement at a Welsh Primary school so need to brush up on my Welsh. But it shouldn't be too bad with children. I am really hoping to do a PGCE through the medium of Welsh, just need to gain some more confidence in speaking it as I am fluent.

I am hoping in my new placement to be able to get more of an insight into lesson planning, the curriculum etc. Because before I was just helping the kids with their work and didn't find out much else but I really enjoyed helping them.

If it's any help I am still learning, an intermediate welsh speaker and observed Year 7 Second language Welsh classes and was fine in terms of how my welsh is. I also have a five year old son who is in a Ysgol Gymraeg and we both understand each other fine. If I am not successful in the next couple of years in the English medium system I am hoping by then I would be fluent enough to try Welsh medium, I am definitely doing it as a my second subject though anyway. In terms of jobs it's definitely worth doing it in Welsh medium.
Currently doing a short subject knowledge enhancement course, and have been focusing so much on boosting my subject knowledge I'd forgotten I need experience!

Fat chance of getting any now, and tbh I don't want any now because the end of term just means doss classes. I will have to join the mad rush of September work exp. I need 7 more days ideally, as I currently have 7. I wanted to have them from a range of schools but I don't know if that is going to happen, so I may just end up going back to where I've done 5 of my days because they said it would be alright to.

I will be joining the crew with starting my personal statement over the summer. Like others, uni is going to be all systems GO as soon as I get back due to dissertation and stuff, so it would be a weight off having it roughly done, leaving room for edit concerning work exp. I will crack on once I've finished this SKE.
Reply 187
Is the personal statement preparation just about getting down your experience? I mean don't we have to wait a bit until we have the application question? Or is it always the same.
Original post by Marcusian
Is the personal statement preparation just about getting down your experience? I mean don't we have to wait a bit until we have the application question? Or is it always the same.


Application question? I don't really know what you mean :colondollar: It's like UCAS - There is a standard personal statement you have to submit, basically about why you want to go into teaching, why you would be suited to it, how your experience has benefitted you, how your degree is relevant, etc etc...
Original post by Marcusian
Is the personal statement preparation just about getting down your experience? I mean don't we have to wait a bit until we have the application question? Or is it always the same.


There is no absolute question, it's just a personal statement. Write about why you are suited for a PGCE. You can easily get at least a draft of that done over summer to make it easier when it comes to the real thing. :smile:


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Reply 190
Yeah sorry didn't explain myself very well there. You have answered my question. :smile:
Reply 191
Hi guys
I’m not sure if this is the right forum, but here goes anyway :smile:
I’m seriously considering appyling for PGCE secondary in science/biology next year.
I’m Danish and I am currently finishing my Master’s degree in Biology from a Danish university. I have experience in teaching from a tropical zoo, where I have been a nature and animal guide for the past three years (student job). I have five A levels in Danish, English, biology, history and mathematics.
I would like to live in London as my husband will have a job there next year.
What do you think my chances are if I apply? Is it a problem that I am not a native speaker? I will be 26 years old when I apply if that is taken into account also.
Hope I don't sound completely ridiculous, I don't yet know what the precise requirements are.
Cheers!
Siwo
Reply 192
Thank you very much for you answer! :smile:
I'm not sure what the 2.2 means. The danish grading system is hard to translate to the english one. Can 2.2 be translated to an average grade (B+ or something similar)?
Thank you again!
Original post by Siwo
Thank you very much for you answer! :smile:
I'm not sure what the 2.2 means. The danish grading system is hard to translate to the english one. Can 2.2 be translated to an average grade (B+ or something similar)?
Thank you again!


You sound like you have good experience already but would definitely need some experience in a UK school. If you try and organise it now you could have some for September. Also I'm not entirely sure, but you ma have had to done an English Language test or something?
I'm applying for primary PGCE in September :smile:
Interested in applying to Cambridge, Reading and Bath Spa so need to narrow it down to two! I want to do the SEN specialism at Reading as I want to be a SEN teacher ultimately but might apply for the early years stream at Cambridge as really interested in teaching reception/year one/year two. I have a years experience working as a T.A in a unit for children on the Autistic Spectrum as a placement as part of my degree and have worked at a Saturday club for the past year for children with additional needs and worked at a holiday club for 5 years for children with additional needs but mainstream experience is more lacking - I sometimes work with mainstream children in the holidays at a holiday club, I have helped run a rainbow group for the last year, I helped one day a week for half a year in a year one class, but that was two years ago so am going to do two weeks in a mainstream class in September which I think I have lined up to pass the requirement of 10 days mainstream in the last year.
More worried about my degree though - I'm doing social sciences so a mix of sociology, politics, education and psychology - so no national curriculum subjects and only have RS as a national curriculum subject at A-level so think this might hold be back.
Really worried about the interviews too, I always mess them up! think I'm going to try get on with my PS this summer.

Anyway good luck to everyone applying!! Would love to hear from anyone applying to the same places as me, or interested/specialising in SEN.
Original post by mango93
Hi, I'm really stuck: I have managed to find a school willing to let me do 5 days of observations in September (hallelujah!) but they have asked me to get a CRB check... I don't know much about CRB except that I can't just apply for myself, right? I emailed back asking for the form and got this:
Here is the link to beginning the CRB procedure (now DBS). We don’t do it as it needs to be done through the official system.

https://www.gov.uk/disclosure-barring-service-check/overview

But that's where it says you can't do it yourself! Am I missing something really obvious here? Please help!


CRB's have just moved over to an online form and i get the feeling that most places don't understand it properly, but basically you should receive a code and link from the school that identifies it to them. Then you fill in all the form online by yourself, then you take in the evidence to show them and then it is all processed :smile: I've just done one - well done all the online bit, just need to show evidence and that's how it was for me. Hope that helps.
Original post by Marcusian
If it's any help I am still learning, an intermediate welsh speaker and observed Year 7 Second language Welsh classes and was fine in terms of how my welsh is. I also have a five year old son who is in a Ysgol Gymraeg and we both understand each other fine. If I am not successful in the next couple of years in the English medium system I am hoping by then I would be fluent enough to try Welsh medium, I am definitely doing it as a my second subject though anyway. In terms of jobs it's definitely worth doing it in Welsh medium.


Yeah that's what I thought it would be better to do it through Welsh especially if I want to work in Wales. I know the uni does an English Medium one but virtually all the primary schools around here are very Welsh so if English students do a PGCE here I'm sure they don't end up teaching around here.

One thing that worries me is the academic writing etc in Welsh. I've not written in Welsh since my GCSE which I got 5 years ago. 6th form and uni were all in English. :frown:

I mean I can speak Welsh fine and my writing is probably good enough for teaching, but for academic essays I might struggle!
Original post by jeffercake
Yep :smile:
I'm also applying for Teach First in June, but if I'm unsuccessful in that, I will be applying for a PGCE. I want to do secondary English.
I have lots of good experience so far, I've volunteered in three secondary schools, including a good school, a satisfactory school and a school that 'requires improvement'.


Could you please tell me the difference between Teach First, School Direct and PGCE?

I know about the PGCE but I am confused about Teach First and School Direct.
Hello guys! I'm hoping to do my PGCE in Primary School teaching after my last year of my Undergrad course (Theatre and Performance) at Warwick. Just wondering when you guys are planning on applying for your courses? I'm hoping to stay at Warwick but am a bit nervous about doing the application without any help!

Leah x
Original post by Juichiro
Could you please tell me the difference between Teach First, School Direct and PGCE?

I know about the PGCE but I am confused about Teach First and School Direct.


The following is fromt he top of my head so anyone, please feel free to correct me as I'ms ure there may be some faults in what I'm saying.

Teach First is a charity, you must be predicted a 2.1+ to apply and must go through a course of exams/interviews. Also, as it is a charity working in underdeveloped/poor preforming schools, they will send you where they need you ie. they will not always put your needs first in terms of what and where you want to teach. Just because you have a degree in Biomedical Sciences, does not mean you will teach Sciences (at secondary), they will look at your A-Levels too and decide ie. having done History at A-Level they might want you to teach that (heard that from the Teach First thread anyway, sounds a little weird to me though..). Also, I don't think you have any tuition fees to pay, it's like training on the job. School direct I think you must have had worked for 3ish years minimum to qualify and enables you to also train on the job and earn money whilst you do so. It is offered by schools and the school decides if they want to consider your application. I think you get less dedicated support this way, hence the prerequisite for 3 years work experience (in any field).
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