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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    So let me get this straight.

    Am I correct in thinking that although I support decriminalising drugs; opening drug rehabilitation centres; getting rid of the legal benefits of marriage entirely (so no one is discriminated against); freedom of speech; secularism; publicly funded healthcare, schools, and university; and a welfare system, I'm actually far-right because I have the consistancy to dislike all kinds of traditionalist ultra-conservatism, and don't make an exception for Islam?
    Could someone explain how this works? Does far-right just mean "anti-Islam"?
    The longer this type of reaction to genuine concerns happens, the more likely the actual far right will take hold.

    We should all stand against all forms of fascism, that includesa worrying large minority of Muslims. Supporting genuine reformers is key.
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    It depends on why you're concerned, if they're sensible reasons, no that doesn't necessarily make you far right, which is evident in your first post
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    You really think everyone who has such concerns votes for far right politicians? Bill Maher, who supported Bernie Sanders, or Christopher Hitchens, the self-proclaimed Marxist, or Dawkins, or Sam Harris, or Douglas Murray, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali, or Nick Cohen? You think they're all far-right? They're some of the most famous critics of Islam, and none of them are anywhere near being far-right.
    Regardless of where Ayaan Hirsi Ali stands, I think some of her opinions are borderline far-right. It's not that she supports them, but she tends to take a facile approach to things that resembles that of the far-right so much. That said, as I said before, proper criticism of Islam is as left as you can possibly get.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    Regardless of where Ayaan Hirsi Ali stands, I think some of her opinions are borderline far-right. It's not that she supports them, but she tends to take a facile approach to things that resembles that of the far-right so much. That said, as I said before, proper criticism of Islam is as left as you can possibly get.
    Which views of her's are far-right?
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Which views of her's are far-right?
    I think I might have confused her with someone else, or maybe not. I recall she said that "ISIS will only come to an end if we keep bombing Syria" or something similar, but I tried finding those comments now and I couldn't.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    No matter what you think you know about him, that video does not support your assertion that he holds those views for religious reasons.
    It is unusual to find a religionist with "strongly held, personal views" that are not based to some extent on their religious beliefs. Especially if those views are at odds with the expert consensus.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    I think I might have confused her with someone else, or maybe not. I recall she said that "ISIS will only come to an end if we keep bombing Syria" or something similar, but I tried finding those comments now and I couldn't.
    I can't imagine her saying that.
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    I can't imagine her saying that.
    Must have confused her with someone else then, trying to remember who.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    It is unusual to find a religionist with "strongly held, personal views" that are not based to some extent on their religious beliefs. Especially if those views are at odds with the expert consensus.
    Yes, but that is true (and I did say that Brown may well hold his views for religious reasons) but isn't my point. What he claimed in his post simply isn't supported by the evidence he presented. What Brown says in the video is nothing like what he claimed Brown said.
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    Because apparently it's left-wing to (rightly) criticise all those guilty of misogyny and hating towards gays.....unless the person guilty of it happens to come from a particular group, in which case criticism of them must be shut down :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    Must have confused her with someone else then, trying to remember who.
    Pamella Geller?
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Pamella Geller?
    Possibly, or it could be that mad republican blonde lady who Paxman interviewed a while back, can't remember her name.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    The longer this type of reaction to genuine concerns happens, the more likely the actual far right will take hold.
    tbh the far right is better for the West than islam.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    Do you expect Irish people to continually apologise for sectarian violence? Do you expect Christians across USA to continually condemn those who attack abortion doctors? Do you expect Buddhists to continually apologise for Buddhist monks in Tibet murdering men, women and children?
    Where did you hear that from? Did the Chinese govt say that or something?? LOL, I'm sure that it is the Chinese govt who are killing innocent Tibetans in Tibet.
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    So let me get this straight.

    Am I correct in thinking that although I support decriminalising drugs; opening drug rehabilitation centres; getting rid of the legal benefits of marriage entirely (so no one is discriminated against); freedom of speech; secularism; publicly funded healthcare, schools, and university; and a welfare system, I'm actually far-right because I have the consistancy to dislike all kinds of traditionalist ultra-conservatism, and don't make an exception for Islam?
    Could someone explain how this works? Does far-right just mean "anti-Islam"?
    It's precisely because I'm a humanist social democrat that I oppose the fascism and violence of Islam. If anything, those on the far right should find they have much in common with Islamic doctrines.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    It's precisely because I'm a humanist social democrat that I oppose the fascism and violence of Islam. If anything, those on the far right should find they have much in common with Islamic doctrines.
    Exactly. People like Bornblue actually have far more in common with the far-right than we do, given the fact that they actively defend or even support a far-right ideology, while we spend a lot of time denouncing it.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    It's precisely because I'm a humanist social democrat that I oppose the fascism and violence of Islam. If anything, those on the far right should find they have much in common with Islamic doctrines.
    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Exactly. People like Bornblue actually have far more in common with the far-right than we do, given the fact that they actively defend or even support a far-right ideology, while we spend a lot of time denouncing it.
    Indeed. Both Islamists and the far right, appear to have much in common...

    "Islamism and the Far-Right: Two sides of the same coin"

    " The far-Right and Islamists have similar ideologies, characteristics, and aims. Both rely on religion. Both use a language of hate and are extremely xenophobic, misogynist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic. Both rely on indiscriminate violence and terrorism to intimidate the population at large. They are dogmatic and punish free thinkers and dissenters. They use threats and scaremongering to push forward their agenda. Both are vehemently anti-working class and the Left. They believe in the superiority of their views and culture and deal harshly with anyone who transgresses… The world they have in mind is equally bleak, segregated, hateful and inhuman."

    http://ex-muslim.org.uk/2013/03/cemb...s-of-one-coin/
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Exactly. People like Bornblue actually have far more in common with the far-right than we do, given the fact that they actively defend or even support a far-right ideology, while we spend a lot of time denouncing it.
    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    It's precisely because I'm a humanist social democrat that I oppose the fascism and violence of Islam. If anything, those on the far right should find they have much in common with Islamic doctrines.
    I'd recommend a good book to both of you: Them by Jon Ronson. Essentially it's about how people like Abu Hamza and his ilk have basically the exact same view of the world as Neo Nazis like David Duke. Which makes sense as people like leaders of extremist Islamist MPAC (who Momentum have a working relationship with yet are so extreme and open about their Jew-hating that even the NUS no-platformed them!) regularly tweet stuff by David Duke like Holocaust denial stuff etc. Their view amounts to thejewsdidthis.gif, shared by Islamists and Nazis alike. Yet the extreme left in this country at the moment (like Momentum) will support one lot who espouse this and not the other because they're dumb like that.*
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    quite ironic seeing as how many fundamental islamists are what would be described as right wing.
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    (Original post by Chakede)
    quite ironic seeing as how many fundamental islamists are what would be described as right wing.
    Faaar-right wing, and ultra-conservative.
 
 
 
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