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Original post by ohirome
It also states that if a man is caught raping a young single woman, he has to pay her father and then marry her. It also clearly states that we mustn't wear anything made of a mix of linen and wool. Oh and if you get your balls crushed? You aint getting in heaven, dude.
Yep, its a whole bunch of twaddle which gets cherry picked when it suits the person spouting religious garbage to support their prejudice.
Yep, its a whole bunch of twaddle which gets cherry picked when it suits the person spouting religious garbage to support their prejudice.
I agree it gets cherry picked.
Original post by DYKWIA
The reasons are entirely selfish. But I don't see how this is relevant, as surely if I like lesbians I would have no issue with allowing them to marry. I realize that lesbian marriage affects society just as much as straight marriage.
No, I don't have homosexual urges. I just genuinely don't like it. I'm sorry I can't explain it any further than that. I know it's irrational, but I wouldn't let it influence how I think gays should be treated.
The reasons are entirely selfish. But I don't see how this is relevant, as surely if I like lesbians I would have no issue with allowing them to marry. I realize that lesbian marriage affects society just as much as straight marriage.
No, I don't have homosexual urges. I just genuinely don't like it. I'm sorry I can't explain it any further than that. I know it's irrational, but I wouldn't let it influence how I think gays should be treated.
1. Your nonissue with lesbians is clearly down to you not being threatened by them...quite the opposite in fact. Im pretty sure you wouldn't think twice about getting down and dirty with a lesbian porno...and with no 'oh id do her, but i wouldn't want her marrying anyone...' thoughts in your head.
2. You clearly do let it influence how you think gays should be treated. If you didn't have a problem with homosexuality then you wouldn't want us to be persecuted for having a different sexual persuasion to you.
Original post by DYKWIA
No, I don't have homosexual urges. I just genuinely don't like it. I'm sorry I can't explain it any further than that. I know it's irrational, but I wouldn't let it influence how I think gays should be treated.
No, I don't have homosexual urges. I just genuinely don't like it. I'm sorry I can't explain it any further than that. I know it's irrational, but I wouldn't let it influence how I think gays should be treated.
but you have though, you think it's acceptable to start arguing with a gay couple having a kiss on a nice day out.. when you wouldn't do that for a straight couple. you think it's acceptable to segregate gay people by not allowing them to marry, you are even against civil unions (which are still not acceptable in my view)
you think it's acceptable that kids aren't taught not to discriminate against people because they are different e.g. because they are gay... because you think it will make being gay "more acceptable" which you think is wrong because you want to keep the stigma there.
you want gay people to hide themselves and not be themselves in public and to keep their homosexuality in private.. which is VERY damaging to society may i add..
the list goes on..
there has to be a reason why you freak out, i am not buying that you can't explain it.
Original post by Jester94
No offence, but are your parents disappointed that you have taken such different beliefs to them and have become so narrow-minded? Is it someone else in your family that shares the same beliefs that has perhaps influenced you into this homophobia.
No, they realize I have different views - it's not 'narrow minded'. I believe in economic freedom. I don't think the state has a right to redistribute wealth unnecessarily. I think the only reason my parents are liberal is because they are median income earners and would benefit from higher taxes. I don't think that is a good attitude to have though.
Also, love how your gay marriage argument is becoming vaguer and vaguer as it becomes weaker and weaker. Why wouldn't it be good for children? Not about how you think bastardisation rates woud rie, but in specific examples of the harm you think would be done to kids by gay marriage. Also, they will already see gay couples everywhere, as the lack of gay marriage doesn't stop gay people from having relationships.
If gay marriage is legalized it will become more prevalent as more gay people come out of the closet.
Original post by alex5455
i will restate the question, since you obviously didnt read it
i will give you a hypothetical situation with 2 outcomes, you must provide evidence why outcome 2 is any different from outcome 1.
A bisexual male is in a relationship with a heterosexual female, they decide to get married
A bisexual male is in a relationship with a straight female, they split up, the bisexual man then enters a relationship with a gay man, and they decide to get married
why should outcome 2 be blocked when outcome 1 isnt?
i will give you a hypothetical situation with 2 outcomes, you must provide evidence why outcome 2 is any different from outcome 1.
A bisexual male is in a relationship with a heterosexual female, they decide to get married
A bisexual male is in a relationship with a straight female, they split up, the bisexual man then enters a relationship with a gay man, and they decide to get married
why should outcome 2 be blocked when outcome 1 isnt?
outcome 2 increases the number of gay couples, which signals other gay couples that they too should come out, this increases the incidences of homosexual relationships which will have a huge impact on the developing minds of young kids.
Original post by Wickersham
No, it's all right. I'm from Kuwait. It's much, much, much worse in neighbouring countries though like Saudi Arabia and Iran, so in a way, I have it easy so it's not that awful considering the plight of people living in the more extreme Islamic countries.
i don't know much about Kuwait, i didn't know it was that bad. must be tough, are you going to move out?
Original post by DYKWIA
outcome 2 increases the number of gay couples, which signals other gay couples that they too should come out, this increases the incidences of homosexual relationships which will have a huge impact on the developing minds of young kids.
outcome 2 increases the number of gay couples, which signals other gay couples that they too should come out, this increases the incidences of homosexual relationships which will have a huge impact on the developing minds of young kids.
wow i'm sorry but you truly digust me...
actually no... i'm not sorry.
Original post by DYKWIA
No, they realize I have different views - it's not 'narrow minded'. I believe in economic freedom. I don't think the state has a right to redistribute wealth unnecessarily. I think the only reason my parents are liberal is because they are median income earners and would benefit from higher taxes. I don't think that is a good attitude to have though.
If gay marriage is legalized it will become more prevalent as more gay people come out of the closet.
outcome 2 increases the number of gay couples, which signals other gay couples that they too should come out, this increases the incidences of homosexual relationships which will have a huge impact on the developing minds of young kids.
If gay marriage is legalized it will become more prevalent as more gay people come out of the closet.
outcome 2 increases the number of gay couples, which signals other gay couples that they too should come out, this increases the incidences of homosexual relationships which will have a huge impact on the developing minds of young kids.
you missed the key provide evidence bit, and your foul
Original post by Bellissima
wow i'm sorry but you truly digust me...
actually no... i'm not sorry.
actually no... i'm not sorry.
Sorry, I didn't really mean that. I'm not against gay people coming out, but I am concerned about the effect it will have on kids.
Original post by DYKWIA
And we lost, gay marriage is being unbanned in CA. I think you should be happy to be able to marry at all.
The reasons are entirely selfish. But I don't see how this is relevant, as surely if I like lesbians I would have no issue with allowing them to marry. I realize that lesbian marriage affects society just as much as straight marriage.
No, I don't have homosexual urges. I just genuinely don't like it. I'm sorry I can't explain it any further than that. I know it's irrational, but I wouldn't let it influence how I think gays should be treated.
Yes, but they aren't that common and they should be fought. However, I have never attacked or wanted to kill a gay person.
Where did I say anything about different rules for PDA's for gays? You are allowed to display your affection in public and I have no right to stop you.
The reasons are entirely selfish. But I don't see how this is relevant, as surely if I like lesbians I would have no issue with allowing them to marry. I realize that lesbian marriage affects society just as much as straight marriage.
No, I don't have homosexual urges. I just genuinely don't like it. I'm sorry I can't explain it any further than that. I know it's irrational, but I wouldn't let it influence how I think gays should be treated.
Yes, but they aren't that common and they should be fought. However, I have never attacked or wanted to kill a gay person.
Where did I say anything about different rules for PDA's for gays? You are allowed to display your affection in public and I have no right to stop you.
Wow, you've never attacked a gay person - what d you want, a round of applause? Actually it's a lie anyway, because while you may not have physically attacked a gay person, you have been verbally attacking gay people throughout this thread.
We should be happy we are able to marry at all? Why is that? Once again, we deserve equal rights as you, we deserve the same rights as straight people when it comes to marriage. We deserve MARRIAGE, not a civil partnership or anything else you might offer us, because we want the full ticket.
You have repeatedly stated that you have asked gay people engaged in PDAs to stop, yet you have never once mentioned asking a straight couple to stop, ergo double standards, hypocrisy and different rules for straight and gay PDA.
So are you saying that straight marriage is as damaging to society as lesbian marriage, in which case why are you defending the sanctity of marriage that gay people want to destroy? Or are you implying that marriage between two men harms society, but marriage between two women doesn't, so it is only marriage between two men that you have a problem with.
Also, I hate to point it out, but homophobic feelings can be quite common before someone realises they are gay/accepts the fact they are gay. Just putting that one out there...
Original post by DYKWIA
Sorry, I didn't really mean that. I'm not against gay people coming out, but I am concerned about the effect it will have on kids.
why, and what affect do you think it will have on kids except more acceptance and love... and less of a stigma? which can only be good?
yes you did mean that, don't even bother pretending you didn't. your very weak mask keeps on slipping DYKWIA.
Original post by ohirome
1. Your nonissue with lesbians is clearly down to you not being threatened by them...quite the opposite in fact. Im pretty sure you wouldn't think twice about getting down and dirty with a lesbian porno...and with no 'oh id do her, but i wouldn't want her marrying anyone...' thoughts in your head.
2. You clearly do let it influence how you think gays should be treated. If you didn't have a problem with homosexuality then you wouldn't want us to be persecuted for having a different sexual persuasion to you.
2. You clearly do let it influence how you think gays should be treated. If you didn't have a problem with homosexuality then you wouldn't want us to be persecuted for having a different sexual persuasion to you.
Is this really how shallow you think I am? That my nonissue with lesbians is completely hormonal? It's really not.
Original post by Bellissima
why, and what affect do you think it will have on kids except more acceptance and love... and less of a stigma? which can only be good?
yes you did mean that, don't even bother pretending you didn't. your very weak mask keeps on slipping DYKWIA.
yes you did mean that, don't even bother pretending you didn't. your very weak mask keeps on slipping DYKWIA.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean it - it's just that sometimes I get annoyed and make comments that are too strong and that i don't mean.
Original post by Jester94
Wow, you've never attacked a gay person - what d you want, a round of applause? Actually it's a lie anyway, because while you may not have physically attacked a gay person, you have been verbally attacking gay people throughout this thread.
Perhaps not being compared with muslims who think homosexuality is evil?
We should be happy we are able to marry at all? Why is that? Once again, we deserve equal rights as you, we deserve the same rights as straight people when it comes to marriage. We deserve MARRIAGE, not a civil partnership or anything else you might offer us, because we want the full ticket.
Would you keep fighting if you had all the rights associated with marriage except the name? It'd amount to the same thing and at least then we would maintain a clear distinction.
So are you saying that straight marriage is as damaging to society as lesbian marriage, in which case why are you defending the sanctity of marriage that gay people want to destroy? Or are you implying that marriage between two men harms society, but marriage between two women doesn't, so it is only marriage between two men that you have a problem with.
No, I meant to say gay marriage, not straight marriage.
Also, I hate to point it out, but homophobic feelings can be quite common before someone realises they are gay/accepts the fact they are gay. Just putting that one out there...
I'm not gay. I know that much.
Original post by DYKWIA
Is this really how shallow you think I am? That my nonissue with lesbians is completely hormonal? It's really not.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean it - it's just that sometimes I get annoyed and make comments that are too strong and that i don't mean.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean it - it's just that sometimes I get annoyed and make comments that are too strong and that i don't mean.
what affect do you think it will have on kids except more acceptance and love... and less of a stigma? which can only be good?
if you didn't mean it then you wouldn't say it.. also if you get that annoyed by the thought of gay people actually being gay then that's a big sgn you do mean it.
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Original post by Wickersham
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What are gay rights like in Kuwait then?
I personally agree that gays should have the same rights as straight people, but gay marriage and gay adoption should not be legal.
Original post by Bellissima
what affect do you think it will have on kids except more acceptance and love... and less of a stigma? which can only be good?
It might make them more susceptible to homosexuality. Whatever you say, it is not proven and indeed it is likely that homosexuality is at least partially environmental and such factors could influence the sexuality of a kid.
Original post by Bellissima
there has to be a reason why you freak out, i am not buying that you can't explain it.
Hear hear.
Original post by DYKWIA
No, they realize I have different views - it's not 'narrow minded'. I believe in economic freedom. I don't think the state has a right to redistribute wealth unnecessarily. I think the only reason my parents are liberal is because they are median income earners and would benefit from higher taxes. I don't think that is a good attitude to have though.
If gay marriage is legalized it will become more prevalent as more gay people come out of the closet.
outcome 2 increases the number of gay couples, which signals other gay couples that they too should come out, this increases the incidences of homosexual relationships which will have a huge impact on the developing minds of young kids.
If gay marriage is legalized it will become more prevalent as more gay people come out of the closet.
outcome 2 increases the number of gay couples, which signals other gay couples that they too should come out, this increases the incidences of homosexual relationships which will have a huge impact on the developing minds of young kids.
It is narrow-minded when those different views are intolerant, bigoted and hateful. I don't think opposition to gay adoption and gay marriage are good attitudes to have either tbh, yet you seem determined to keep at them.
If by 'it will become more prevalent' you mean gay marriage, well of course gay marriage will be more prevalent if it is legalised, because gay couples are able to marry, so obviously those that want to will take the opportunity to do so. However, if by 'it' you mean gay people, then that sentence doesn't make sense. Even if a person is not out, they are still gay, so while gay marriage may indeed encourage more people to come out and lead to more out gay people, it will not lead to more gay people. I don't know what else you could mean in that examle for it to make sense.
Also, discouraging people from coming out is disgusting. If somebody is confident enough to come out in a world filled with bigots like you, then well done to them, I'll go get the bottle of rainbow-coloured champagne. Being forced to stay in the closet because you know you will possibly be put into harm's way/lose your job/be kicked out of your home can cause serious mental and emotional damage and even if you don't have the possibility of beng attacked etc, staying in the closet (as I am for the time being) can still mess your head a little bit. It is disgusting that you are using coming-outs as a negative effect.
Original post by DYKWIA
What are gay rights like in Kuwait then?
I personally agree that gays should have the same rights as straight people, but gay marriage and gay adoption should not be legal.
I personally agree that gays should have the same rights as straight people, but gay marriage and gay adoption should not be legal.
Then that is not the same rights, is it?
Original post by DYKWIA
It might make them more susceptible to homosexuality. Whatever you say, it is not proven and indeed it is likely that homosexuality is at least partially environmental and such factors could influence the sexuality of a kid.
let's imagine for a second this is a scientifically credible and accepted theory here (which it certainly isn't, it is mainly a load of *******s)
why is that bad? because YOU don't like it?
and before you start banging on about HIV again, that is not a valid reason which has been established many times.
Original post by Jester94
Hear hear.
i don't know. It just looks gross and it makes me think about the bristles on their face touching. Other than that I have purely irrational fears of it. I know my fears are wrong.
It is narrow-minded when those different views are intolerant, bigoted and hateful. I don't think opposition to gay adoption and gay marriage are good attitudes to have either tbh, yet you seem determined to keep at them.
I feel that I am protecting society.
Also, discouraging people from coming out is disgusting. If somebody is confident enough to come out in a world filled with bigots like you, then well done to them, I'll go get the bottle of rainbow-coloured champagne. Being forced to stay in the closet because you know you will possibly be put into harm's way/lose your job/be kicked out of your home can cause serious mental and emotional damage and even if you don't have the possibility of beng attacked etc, staying in the closet (as I am for the time being) can still mess your head a little bit. It is disgusting that you are using coming-outs as a negative effect.
same rights
You are entitled to marry a person of the opposite sex. I don't believe in gay marriage - ie. marriage between two guys or two girls.
Original post by Bellissima
let's imagine for a second this is a scientifically credible and accepted theory here (which it certainly isn't, it is mainly a load of *******s)
why is that bad? because YOU don't like it?
and before you start banging on about HIV again, that is not a valid reason which has been established many times.
why is that bad? because YOU don't like it?
and before you start banging on about HIV again, that is not a valid reason which has been established many times.
What about the possible effects on population demographics by large groups of people not having kids? It could have serious consequences for our social security system. Such an issue occurred in Spain, where a small young population was attempting to look after a large old non-working population.
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