Getting upset with the lack of English-speaking people in England.

When you think of an English person, you think of a white person. A black person cannot be English. An Asian person cannot be English. A Latin American person cannot be English.

But what if they refuse to integrate and refuse to speak the language to an adequate standard?

No I don't, unless you ask me to think of an ethnically English person. I can't conceive 'an English person' outside of this condition, as there is no essential, distinct quality of an English person created by the incidental circumstance of residing in the geographical territory known as 'England'.

So if they were forced to speak English you think they would announce what they're doing knowing the general public can hear them?

It's not enough to start an investigation unless there is substantial evidence from a reliable source that can link a person to a conspiracy. If they weren't shouting or divulging their secrets to uninvolved parties they wouldn't have been caught. The ones that were recorded would have been deciphered anyway.

aww.. that is convenient.

In what way? If you can find an example of where I've violated that principle I'd be happy to see it.

Residing within and identifying with the territory.

You are begging the question by stating the Chinese people will not see you as Chinese. What are 'Chinese people'?

I'm flattered when you adopt my style of speech.

My link shows otherwise

...you just said otherwise. You said that an ethnically african person born in England would be English in your view. But not culturally as that doesn't exist in your opinion. So in what way? Geographically? You've just said geography doesn't bestow essential, distinct attributes to individuals. so.....

Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread, it's 11 pages long. But just wanted to say this:

Hi, I'm British and I've got culture.

Carry on.

What are you talking about? im so academic said 'English = white person'. I am saying I cannot conceive any distinct physical traits to associate with English people, as my conception of what it is to be English does not necessitate the possession of any given physical trait.

You are in the pakistani, bangladeshi, etc societies daily asking them to define those respective cultures? I apologise.

"as there is no essential, distinct quality of an English person created by the incidental circumstance of residing in the geographical territory known as 'England"

So... what makes anyone here English come to think of it?

Nothing in your link refutes what I said. I strongly doubt a terrorist would shout in a dilapidated house where they are aware there are people in earshot.

...No. I'm not in the English or British societies (if they exist) either. You won't find this sentiment outside of an intellectual debate setting where such discourse is encouraged.

Calling themselves English, which necessarily denotes an identification with the geographical territory known as 'England'.

We must define the premise before ascertaining the conclusion or your reasoning is circular.

Expect to be asked to define it shortly. The questioner will not ask the same of non-British people who claim to possess their own unique cultures though, just British.

I made that statement in the context of identifying a distinct physical trait essential to Britons. "Residing in the geographical territory known as 'England'" is a condition in itself; im so academic was suggesting there are distinct physical conditions alongside this.

That just shows how naive you are. England has a fantastic culture; our values and morals are looked upon the world over as being fair and reasonable. You only have to spend a very short time abroad to see the UK's influence and culture when viewed from the outside.

Its not about making feel unwelcome - if they want to live here they should want to learn the language. Otherwise it just looks like they are just coming for the benefits, which lets face it, plenty of them are. People come here to take advantage of the benefits of being British - the NHS, the social security, what jobs there are available. We are unable to stop people from Europe coming across and having expensive operations done on the NHS. Go to Lithuania and try and get free heathcare from their government. Doesnt happen.

Its a human rights problem - we have lost control of our own borders and our own national security in an effort to please Europe. The whole issue about deporting preachers of hate is a joke. In what world are we not allowed to deport someone who is rallying his followers to blow up UK buildings and citizens?! His home country will happily accept him, we want rid of him but the EU court of human rights says we're not allowed. *******s to the EU, if one person dies because of something he says what about their Human Rights. In plenty of countries he would be in prison for the rest of his life, or put to death - and in plenty of other countries he would have been deported the moment he was convicted, to serve his jail time in his own countries prisons.

Nope. And you already know my views on the notion of 'black culture'.