Isn't it about time that attitudes changed towards rape?

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To be fair, as I've laid out above, when a person is accused of aiding/abetting, etc, an offence, they are charged with the full offence, so technically women can be guilty of 'rape' - but only where there's a man that's actually committed the full offence, and not by having forced sex with someone themselves.

Yes, but a woman cannot be a principal offender in rape, which is primarily what this guy is trying to say is the case, they can only be an accomplice. His initial statement was "women can rape" - in the eyes of the law, no they cannot.

Well you have a poor understanding of law then, if you're convicted of rape then in the eyes of the law you are a rapist therefore under the law women can rape


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Well you have a poor understanding of law then, if you're convicted of rape then in the eyes of the law you are a rapist therefore under the law women can rape


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What a stupid thread. Women can't rape men. Get over yourselves.

Why not?

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1) Men are stronger than women.
2) Men always consent to sex.

There is a disturbing attitude among some people that rape is a male problem and that men need to be told not to rape. This is clearly offensive to men but also a counterproductive approach to the problem of how stop rape.

Men are not rapists. Rapists are rapists. If you want to stop rape then you need to speak out to people who are rapists rather than men in general.

Rape is treated by some people to be similar to crimes such as stealing, cheating and lying. Everybody does these things a bit. Everybody will steal if they think they can get away with it and still feel okay about themselves for doing it. The solution society uses to stop such menial criminal behavior is punishment and humiliation. And these solutions work well to stop crimes everybody commits.

The problem is that rape is not a crime everybody will commit. The typical approach rape is to treat it like cheating, lying or stealing. Assume that everybody will do it under the right circumstances i.e. assume all men are potential rapists. Prevent it using humiliation and punishment i.e. telling people how terrible it is to rape and how everybody will despise them and put them in prison.

We need to stop thinking of men as potential rapists and instead try to target rapists in an effort to stop victims of rape ever occurring. The line "tell men to not rape" is not only incredibly offensive but also remarkably stupid.

It's considered a male thing because it's women who tend to report it (because society wouldn't believe men), as there's the perception that "How could a little woman overpower a man"? I mean, from one of the few episodes of Desperate Housewives I've watched, if you've got the right drugs you can, although god knows why anyone would, but why would anyone rape, ever? Couldn't a woman also sexually assault another woman? But yes, the law should be changed because women could theoretically rape men, although the likelihood of her being physically strong enough to force them is lower. On another note, societies views towards women domestically abusing men needs to change as well, many men wouldn't hit a woman because that's how they were brought up. In films, if a male character slaps a female, he's a b******, if a female character slaps a male one, well, he probably deserves it, doesn't he? Um, no, actually, nobody should be hitting anyone. The whole "You go girl!" mentality around girls hitting guys being ok is just ridiculous. And yet it's all over the media so girls (including myself) grow up with this belief in the back of our heads that it's alright when it's really not. I could give a dozen examples off the top of my head, half of them from things being shown to children.

I don't want to think about this anymore, I'm going to bed.

Read it carefully. The law was actually changed partly so it can refer to anyone with a penis. That could be a transsexual woman (prior or not decided to have surgery) or someone who is intersex.

So hilarious that the only point I've made I've proven is correct: women can be convicted of rape


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I don't think they are encouraging anyone to report drunken consensual sex as rape, just saying that if a person is passed out/on the verge of passing out/so drunk they don't know what's going on and another person decides to do something to them, that people should recognise that this is a sexual assault. They aren't saying that if a couple happily participate in drunken sex together, that the man is somehow a rapist.

I see nothing wrong with it. Explain.

It didn't really have anything to do with the main points of my OP. It seemed pointless.

I don't care about transsexuals or whatever.

The fact is that "normal" women with vaginas by law can't be convicted of rape since the law says they can't commit it.

That needs to change.

The other issue with the laws as they stand is that women cannot be convicted of raping other women - they can only sexually assault them, which is equally bizarre. It is based on the long outdated idea from pre-victorian times that women are not sexual beings and sex can only be performed if some kind of penetration takes place. Surely nowadays we know better.

I agree with you on principle but it would be extremely difficult to convict a woman of raping a man. When men are convicted of raping women it is often because of evidence of trauma to the affected area. Even with women this is not always present as they too can unintentionally become aroused. Seeing as a man sort of has to unintentionally become aroused to be raped in the way you're suggesting, this kind of evidence would be lacking. So I think the laws should be changed, yes, but I think sadly you would see a very low conviction rate.

Well, that wasn't what I heard/read from many feminists. Rather it was different. Anything to get those "evil men" into jail for doing nothing wrong. And they seemed to encourage women not to take precautions of not drinking too much.


But how is the behaviour "allowed to continue"? This world is full of utter t**ts and idiots who don't want to take a few precautions where possible. It is inevitable that crime and "evil" will exist. The best we can do is condemn rape and other sexual assault (regardless of gender) and when enough evidence has been supplied, convict the rapists and those who committed sexual assault.

My concern is that the lack of proper condemnation for female rapists allows more women to think they can get away with committing rape. Also, the lack of proper condemnation for female rapists may continue to make male victims of rape (by women) scared to come out and report being raped.

OK.

But the thing is that rape committed by women is already punished but just classed under "sexual assault" instead of rape. And that needs to change.

Yeah, there will be a low conviction rate. But that's the way things are unfortunately. However, changing the law for women to be able to commit rape may be a step in the right direction to tackle rape and reduce it.