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Would you let your son be feminine?

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Reply 80
Original post by Ripper-Roo
Who mentioned anything about sex changes? He's just being feminine, which I wouldn't consider it needing a professional opinion, if he's just being himself.


Sorry because what I understood from this thread was what I would do if my son felt more like a woman and was thinking about to change his sex.

I'm sorry
Reply 81
Original post by kkovots
Sorry because what I understood from this thread was what I would do if my son felt more like a woman and was thinking about to change his sex.

I'm sorry


Fair enough, you don't need to apologise :tongue:
what is 'feminine'?

im a glam rocker... all my male friends have better hair and wear more make up than me lol and they are damn beautiful as a result :tongue:

my son has long hair and looks very pretty but is exceptionally boyish in his attitude most people I know are like this

I think Nikki Sixx said it best when some one tried to pick a fight by called him a 'Fag' he said 'how would you like to get you ass kick by someone with bigger hair and more make up than your mother' and ive seen several similar situations where the victors of the fight are by far the 'feminine' men
Reply 83
Original post by Ripper-Roo
Aren't you also being oppressive by ensuring that he grows up feminine?

But I won't ensure that, he can acts how he wants. His environment will be feminism though.
Reply 84
Original post by Millie228
I'm not a feminist

Why don't you think women deserve equal rights?

and I believe in biology - meaning that most men (testosterone-driven) are masculine and most women (estrogen-driven) are feminine.

Gender isn't biology it is culture and society. If you believe in biology I assume you'll have no problem with your daughter having hairy legs? Women naturally have body hair yet it isn't culturally deemed feminine, same with guys and emotions.




I believe it is modern feminism that has attempted to reverse the sexes or have them approach one another and one of the methods of doing this is to tell men to be more sensitive to get women (result friendzone) or to tell women to think of success in masculine terms and that adopting as many male traits as possible is good (anything very feminine is old-fashioned and oppressing).


Wow, hows that Rush Limbaugh Kool Aid?


That will take time though, and as long as they are living in my house, the boys will be raised to be men and the girls to be women.

And what does that include? Indoctrinating them with your outmoded stereotypes?
Original post by Boopho
Well obviously you do. Also why does he have to be heterosexual?

God grants you? Please, did no one teach you how reproduction works?

Your idea that all man have to act the same way is sexist and oppressive.


No actually i have nothing against them, i just wouldnt want my son to be feminine.
Reply 86
Original post by Boopho
Why don't you think women deserve equal rights?


Gender isn't biology it is culture and society. If you believe in biology I assume you'll have no problem with your daughter having hairy legs? Women naturally have body hair yet it isn't culturally deemed feminine, same with guys and emotions.


it's a losing battle, the feminists argument is with nature NOT men , men didn't make women the way they are, women do have equal rights and it's done nothing for society.


When men were traditionally responsible for providing the income and traditionally the woman was responsible for raising the children and provided cooking and cleaning we had a nation of families with values and respect. Nowadays society is taking a turn for a worse and feminism can take a part of the blame.
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Original post by Boopho
Using things like calling a boy a girl as an insult is extremely sexist against females, funny how you never hear the reverse used as an insult, "stop acting like a boy".

Is the reason feminine men are mocked and stigmatised by some bigots, unfortunately left over in our society, more often than not due to contempt for women or not gender conformity in general?

I'm interested if males on here would force their children to adhere to strict gender roles and what would they do if there son turned out to be feminine?


So, so, so true. But TSR has become so anti-feminism and women in general lately that people will never see your point.
Reply 88
Original post by Hadouken
it's a losing battle, the feminists argument is with nature NOT men , men didn't make women the way they are, women do have equal rights and it's done nothing for society.


When men were traditionally responsible for providing the income and traditionally the woman was responsible for raising the children and provided cooking and cleaning we had a nation of families with values and respect. Nowadays society is taking a turn for a worse and feminism can take a part of the blame.


Oh ye good ole days with sexism, homophobia and racism where art thou?

You know it's quicker to just get back to the kitchen right?

No women's argument evidently isn't with nature, it is with sexism and western society has shown strict gender roles aren't necessary and women can succeed and are not restricted by nature, you mad?
Reply 89
Original post by Boopho
Oh ye good ole days with sexism, homophobia and racism where art thou?

You know it's quicker to just get back to the kitchen right?

No women's argument evidently isn't with nature, it is with sexism and western society has shown strict gender roles aren't necessary and women can succeed and are not restricted by nature, you mad?


Because ever increasing divorce rates, one parent families, women deciding to put their careers in front of their family, promoting selfishness etc etc is such good evidence of a successful society.

If you had a choice between equality and having more power than men. You would choose having more power every single time.
Personally I will not let my son be his 'own person' I am going to give a biological take on things our bodies were made for the opposite gender so If my son decided to wear high heels and play with dolls I shall 'unfeminise' him as it may have an affect on his school life and future. Some people may accept it but feminine guys are seen as a taboo in this society so therefore I when I am taking care of my son I shall make sure he goes through 'gender socialisation'
i study sociology so I am more than happy to reply to any rebuttal
Reply 91
Original post by Miracle Day
I'd much prefer them not to be, but I'd get over it.


That's a big surprise coming from you :laugh:
Original post by z.chowdhury
Personally I will not let my son be his 'own person' I am going to give a biological take on things our bodies were made for the opposite gender so If my son decided to wear high heels and play with dolls I shall 'unfeminise' him as it may have an affect on his school life and future. Some people may accept it but feminine guys are seen as a taboo in this society so therefore I when I am taking care of my son I shall make sure he goes through 'gender socialisation'
i study sociology so I am more than happy to reply to any rebuttal


Doesn't it occur to you that these things have an innate basis? That your child may be feminine or perhaps trans*, regardless of what you want? And that whatever effort you put in to change will only cause them long-term discomfort, without changing the essence of who they are? Pretty much all evidence ever points to the fact that socialisation does not have a significant effect on gender identity.
Original post by Kiss
That's a big surprise coming from you :laugh:


I think being gay and being so exposed to so many guys like it is the reason I wouldn't :tongue:
I'm shocked at the amount of people here who would have a problem. I'd be proud of my son either way.
Reply 95
I'm not exactly a manly man, so it would be a bit hypocritical for me to have a problem with it.
Reply 96
First you have to define what is feminine. If you mean stereotypical traits such as being weak, overly emotional, not being forceful when putting yourself forward for promotion and showing too much deference. Then NO. I wouldn't even let my daughter act like that.
Reply 97
fk no
Reply 98
I'd have a problem with it and I don't see what's wrong with that. Having a problem with something doesn't mean I'd religiously engage in the futile pursuit of trying to change it. With that said, my boy would be bought up (at least in early years) as a boy.
Reply 99
A level of stereotypical positive feminine traits in a guy is good e.g. Showing emotion, taking care of appearance
But if he was a straight male and he was becoming very effeminate/ overly flamboyant then i would be a bit worried - girls would find him less attractive since masculinity is something females do generally like. Im not saying being a bad boy, alpha, aggressive is what i want him to be but just the stereotypical positive male traits such as logic, confidence and humour are good to hold onto.
Other than worrying about that, it wouldn't bother me too much if he was overly feminine. I woudl still love him loads and would also treat him like a friend too.

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