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Why do the electric field lines go from + to -?

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Field lines show the force on a positive point charge


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Original post by Shak995
Field lines show the force on a positive point charge


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I still don't get it. + and - attract each other. The + exerts an electric force on - and the - exerts and electric equal and opposite force on + (N3L, right?). So don't both have a force on each other that gets them together, meaning + goes to - and - goes to +. I feel so confused.:confused:
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Original post by krisshP
I still don't get it. + and - attract each other. The + exerts an electric force on - and the - exerts and electric equal and opposite force on + (N3L, right?). So don't both have a force on each other that gets them together, meaning + goes to - and - goes to +. I feel so confused.:confused:


Yeah they do but the definition of an electric field line is that it shows the direction of the force on the imaginary positive point charge they arwnt intended to shiw the eqaual and opposite force... therefore as the picture shows lines go into the positive charge and lines go 'out' of the negative... If u have 2 point charges negative and positive the field lines join up as shown as they show the force that a positive point will experience it will be repelled from the positive and attracted to the negative therefore the arrows go from the positive to the negative shownImageUploadedByStudent Room1379100889.806964.jpg


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I was talking about your picture in the first bit.. Sorry my grammar is shocking


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Original post by Shak995
Yeah they do but the definition of an electric field line is that it shows the direction of the force on the imaginary positive point charge they arwnt intended to shiw the eqaual and opposite force... therefore as the picture shows lines go into the positive charge and lines go 'out' of the negative... If u have 2 point charges negative and positive the field lines join up as shown as they show the force that a positive point will experience it will be repelled from the positive and attracted to the negative therefore the arrows go from the positive to the negative shownImageUploadedByStudent Room1379100889.806964.jpg


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So by convention, an electric field line shows the electric force from + towards -.

If we have + point charge, then the electric field lines go AWAY from it.

It's kind of like the arrow's tail, by convention, represents a + charge and the head represents a - charge, right?
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Original post by krisshP
So by convention, an electric field line shows the electric force from + towards -.

If we have + point charge, then the electric field lines go AWAY from it. If we

It's kind of like the arrow's tail, by convention, represents a + charge and the head represents a - charge, right?


Yeah but it's better not to think of it like that... All field lines do is show the direction of the force a positive point charge will experience if it was put at that position... so say it was put exactly between the two it would obviously speed off towards the negative charge which the field lines show...

Hope this helps it would be much easier to explain in person


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Original post by Shak995
Yeah but it's better not to think of it like that... All field lines do is show the direction of the force a positive point charge will experience if it was put at that position... so say it was put exactly between the two it would obviously speed off towards the negative charge which the field lines show...

Hope this helps it would be much easier to explain in person


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Thank you:smile:
"a line of force/electric field line is DEFINED as the path a POSITIVE test charge would follow." (how i remember)

hence, when near a POSITIVE POINT CHARGE (the big charge), the TEST CHARGE (little charge) will be REPELLED, meaning the field lines point AWAY from the point charge.

when near a NEGATIVE POINT CHARGE, the TEST CHARGE will be ATTRACTED towards it, meaning the field lines are directed TOWARDS the point charge.


I hope this is a easier way of helping you understand :-)
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Original post by andromeda24
"a line of force/electric field line is DEFINED as the path a POSITIVE test charge would follow." (how i remember)

hence, when near a POSITIVE POINT CHARGE (the big charge), the TEST CHARGE (little charge) will be REPELLED, meaning the field lines point AWAY from the point charge.

when near a NEGATIVE POINT CHARGE, the TEST CHARGE will be ATTRACTED towards it, meaning the field lines are directed TOWARDS the point charge.


I hope this is a easier way of helping you understand :-)

Thank you very much
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Thank you very much
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thankyou! :smile:
Reply 11
Original post by andromeda24
thankyou! :smile:


Can you help me in this question please?
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I need the charge of a proton right? But it doesn't even say it and it's not even on the formulae sheet for Edexcel.

Thanks a lot:smile:
Original post by krisshP
Can you help me in this question please?
IMG_20130914_104545-1.jpg

I need the charge of a proton right? But it doesn't even say it and it's not even on the formulae sheet for Edexcel.

Thanks a lot:smile:


Do you have the answer by any chance?
i've tried working it out on a peice of paper for you :-) so i'll post it after this :-)
Original post by krisshP
Can you help me in this question please?
IMG_20130914_104545-1.jpg

I need the charge of a proton right? But it doesn't even say it and it's not even on the formulae sheet for Edexcel.

Thanks a lot:smile:




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Ok so this is how I think they want you do do it - using Coulomb's Law.

The charge of a proton & electron are the same except a proton is +1.6x10-19 and an electron is -1.6x10-19 and these values should be given to you in a data sheet during your exam :smile:

the answer F (electrostatic force) has a negative value which symbolizes that the electrostatic force is an attractive force - makes sense as the two charges are positive & negative.
If the answer came out positive, the electrostatic force would be repulsive (for example, between two protons)

hope this helps :-) hopefully I'll have given the correct answer - just finished my a levels myself so may be a bit rusty!
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Original post by andromeda24
Do you have the answer by any chance?
i've tried working it out on a peice of paper for you :-) so i'll post it after this :-)


Yes, it is 8.2 X 10^-8 N.

Your working out? I think I know how to do it though, my problem is I don't know the proton charge.

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Original post by krisshP
Yes, it is 8.2 X 10^-8 N.

Your working out? I think I know how to do it though, my problem is I don't know the proton charge.

Thanks:smile:


ooooooh sorry! totally mis-read what you was saying... so sorry about that!

yes the charge of a proton is the same as that of an electron but different signs so the charge of a proton is +1.6x10-19 :-)
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Original post by andromeda24
ooooooh sorry! totally mis-read what you was saying... so sorry about that!

yes the charge of a proton is the same as that of an electron but different signs so the charge of a proton is +1.6x10-19 :-)


So then why do we sometimes use +1.6 X 10^-19 for the electron charge?
Original post by krisshP
So then why do we sometimes use +1.6 X 10^-19 for the electron charge?


I think you can use +1.6x10-19 for either proton or the electron if the direction of the electrostatic force isn't needed/isn't important.

The +ive and -ive signs in these sorts of questions are there to show the direction of the forces. (from what i can remember)

remember force is a vector so it has magnitude AND direction so if you get a question about the direction i think that it's likely to do with the +ive or -ive sign.

I was on AQA so you may not even need to know about this in your spec!
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Original post by andromeda24
I think you can use +1.6x10-19 for either proton or the electron if the direction of the electrostatic force isn't needed/isn't important.

The +ive and -ive signs in these sorts of questions are there to show the direction of the forces. (from what i can remember)

remember force is a vector so it has magnitude AND direction so if you get a question about the direction i think that it's likely to do with the +ive or -ive sign.

I was on AQA so you may not even need to know about this in your spec!


THANK YOU! :biggrin:

So I use + for proton charge and - for electron charge, right? Then wouldn't that make charge be a vector quantity?
Original post by krisshP
THANK YOU! :biggrin:

So I use + for proton charge and - for electron charge, right? Then wouldn't that make charge be a vector quantity?


Oh that's a good question - but no i think charge is a scalar, not a vector.

I think the sign matters to show the direction of the field lines on the charge?
I'm not very sure with that one to be honest, i've never thought of it that way! need to do a bit of revision before uni i think :P

but yeah i'm pretty sure about the proton having a + charge and the electron having a - charge.

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