Came across this on my news feed today, but was unable to read it since the Telegraph app doesn't seem to have a search function (or Women section) and had hit the limit on here, but it sounds like a re-run of the whole Darwin Award business (and I'm not even going to get going on the fact that there is a Women section but no Men). However, given the wording of the headline and the fact that it's in the Women section, which has a tendency of posting crap, I can gauge what form it takes from the comments on both Facebook and the article itself.
What they simply seem to do is say "95% of prisoners are male, 5% are female, men are criminal by nature" and more or less leave it at that, and apparently it's fine to say that. Now, let us consider two things here:
1) Men are often convicted of a crime when a woman would not be (with the same evidence); or conversely a woman would get off where a man would not;
2) Men tend to get longer sentences;
i.e., a man is more likely to get sent to prison and will stay there for longer.
Now, let's look at an alternative headline to the same effect: "Are black people [or any other group that can be argued in the same way] born criminals, Prison numbers don't lie"
Other alternatives include foreigners, but I think I'll stick with blacks because we're worse than the US there (amazingly, then again, I guess they just shoot them instead of incarcerating them). So, running the same logic, ~25% of the prison population are from minority ethnic groups, 11% are black. However, only 2.8% of the British population are black, ergo they are inherently criminal. But to say this would get you vilified and branded a racist.
Similarly, 29% of those ethnics were foreign, so about 8% of the prison population. Of course, the declaration relies on the number of non-Britons living in the UK, but to make the declaration that foreigners are inherently criminal would have you branded a Xenophobe.
Although, given that it's only of the ethnics, I can quite safely say that <8% of the population are foreign nationals and members of other ethnic groups, so let's brand me as a xenophobic racist too for applying the logic of the article (as derived from comments).
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- 13-01-2015 20:09
- 13-01-2015 20:29
Except that's not what the article is saying. You're taking five words from the headline and claiming that summarises the content of the article, which is absolutely not the case.
- 15-01-2015 11:41
He is correct in what he says though. Change men for black or Asian(either of which could fit) and you would be hanging on a hook round these parts.
- 15-01-2015 11:50
Because men have the balls (both literally and figuratively) to be criminals. Plus I think the statistics are misleading since women tend to get off with a lot more than men in law.
- 15-01-2015 15:51
Will read it all later properly, but just quickly skimmed.
The factors most commonly thought to contribute to crime - a lack of education (half of prisoners have no qualifications, compared with 15 per cent of the general population); experiences of violence or abuse as a child (41 per cent of prisoners witnessed domestic violence as a child and almost a third experienced abuse); financial difficulties, and so on—affect men and women alike.