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What's with the obsession of trying to make muslims integrate? What about jews?
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Original post by Ravenous
That's only because there are about 10x more Muslims in the Uk than Jews. Jews are still the most segregated community. http://www.ethnicity.ac.uk/medialibrary/briefingsupdated/more-segregation-or-more-mixing.pdf
It's true that most of them will know English, but many of them still prefer to speak to each other in Yiddish in some of their communities, even if their families have been here for generations
Most of those Jews are only Jewish by race and not religion. Btw, there are also plenty of Muslim in numerous high positions in industries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Muslims
It's true that most of them will know English, but many of them still prefer to speak to each other in Yiddish in some of their communities, even if their families have been here for generations
Most of those Jews are only Jewish by race and not religion. Btw, there are also plenty of Muslim in numerous high positions in industries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Muslims
No one minds that people speak to each other in a different language, it's the inability to speak English.
Cameron's point was that those women who could not speak English do not participate in the workforce or in civil society.
Just because some Jews speak Yiddish does not mean they can't speak English fluently, and therefore they are disconnected from society because of a language barrier.
Well, looks like I learnt something today, the orthodox jews make up a very small percentage of the UK. Being surrounded by so many on a daily basis feels like theres millions of them lol.
Original post by TheArtofProtest
The majority of wealthy Jews, and indeed most wealthy people in general, tend to vote Conservatives.
It literally has nothing to do with "progressiveness" or "values" but economics. The Conservatives will enrich you but the Labour Party will share the riches.
It literally has nothing to do with "progressiveness" or "values" but economics. The Conservatives will enrich you but the Labour Party will share the riches.
I'd say yes and no. Yes in that of course wealthy people are more likely to vote conservative, and excluding civil service, I suspect the preponderance is overwhelming in the sort of demographic that earns maybe around £60k to £70k, lives in the suburbs, etc.
On the other hand, probably a majority of my friends who are from well-off families don't vote conservative (either Labour, Lib Dem or Green). One of my closest friends is a very well remunerated barrister, votes Labour even though he'd pay more tax under a Labour government. Another who is from a very exalted family is a hardcore Corbynista. There is a degree to which values count, though I would certainly accept that broadly speaking and looking at demographics, ABs who have children tend to vote conservative.
Members of the Charedi community, who are often less wealthier than their Jewish counterparts and in a sense, similar to the British Muslim community in terms of their values, vote Labour (Hackney North + Gateshead).
And ironically, the Haredis, Lubavitches etc tend to be the groups within the Jewish community to whom the word "unintegrated" might be applied. Jewish people who go to ordinary, mainstream orthodox shuls and perhaps vote Conservative tend to be very well integrated indeed
The fact that Muslims in the UK do not contribute or are less likely to be involved in political participation, compared with those of other faiths, has meant that they become an easy scapegoat for politicians who are seeking to deflect attention away from themselves.
I'm not sure I accept that analysis, but let's say it's true; how would the government benefit then by taking steps that reduce their isolation? And isn't it incumbent on all citizens, on the basis of some sense of civic pride and integration (and particularly in a country that welcomes immigration and encourages integration) to take those steps?
I couldn't move to Saudi Arabia, be an atheist, but take part in Saudi politics and public life. There is a significant difference in the approach and mindset of the West as far as immigration goes; the West is genuinely open to immigrant groups, and to their participation in our society. They should take up those opportunities, rather than simply trying to recreate the lifestyle of north Waziristan in north London
The Conservative Party is targeting Labour supporters, whether it be through trade union bills/campaign finance bills, electoral reform or just general voters, in order to demonize them, marginalize them and make them pariahs.
I 100% agree with that. The Conservative Party's attempt to gerrymander the electorate (outrageous given they won 51% of the seats with 36% of the vote, it's ludicrous for them to assert that the electoral system is somehow unfair to them), their direct attacks on trade unions and their funding arrangements (which is utter hypocrisy given trade unions are essentially private associations, the government has no legitimate basis to interfere in the constitutions of these private organisations), screwing with the voter rolls and making constituency size relative to number of voters not number of people.... all these things I find nauseating and they make me very angry. I just don't think it has much connection to the issue of Jewish and Muslim integration, and I don't think the Tories perfidy on these other subjects tells us much about who can be blamed for issues of immigrant integration
Original post by zimbo97
Just because some Jews speak Yiddish does not mean they can't speak English fluently, and therefore they are disconnected from society because of a language barrier.
Just because some Jews speak Yiddish does not mean they can't speak English fluently, and therefore they are disconnected from society because of a language barrier.
Also, to the extent that some Jews do speak Yiddish and are ultra-orthodox, these are a very small proportion of the Jewish population. Most Jews in Britain are of the normal orthodox mainstream, they are pretty well-integrated. People like the Milibands, the Rothschilds, John Bercow, Nick Cohen, Matthew Freud, Nigel Lawson etc.
These are just normal people, and a community that has been integrated for centuries. Actually, here's an excellent account of a visit by the royal dukes to the Great Synagogue in 1809 (unfortunately it was destroyed by German bombs in the war)
Yesterday, at half past six o'clock, the Dukes of Cumberland, Sussex and Cambridge attended the Great Synagogue in Duke's Place to witness the Hebrew form of worship. The preparation made to receive the princes evidenced the loyalty of the Jewish people, and the spectacle was magnificent and most solemn.
The Synagogue was most suitably decorated on the occasion. The seats on each side were raised and the pulpit in the centre was adorned by crimson and gold. A space between the pulpit and the ark was appropriated to the Royal Dukes and the Nobility, who stood on a rich platform with four beautiful Egyptian chairs and stands for their books, flowers, etc.
The Synagogue was brilliantly illuminated by chandeliers. The High Priest, Rabbi Hirschell, in his sacerdotal habit displayed unusual magnificence: he was dressed in a robe of white satin of considerable value and ordered expressly for him by Abraham Goldsmid, Esq. The Royal Dukes arrived in the carriage of Mr. Goldsmid, and their own carriages followed with several ladies of distinction.
The singing was excellent and the Royal Dukes appeared much gratified by the Choruses. When the Ark was opened to take out the Five Books of Moses the Princes were conducted by Mr. Goldsmid to view the interior, at which they expressed great satisfaction, the structure being grand and beautiful. The galleries were crowded with beautiful Jewesses who attracted much the attention of the Royal Party. After the service, the Royal Dukes drove to the mansion of Mr. A. Goldsmid, where a sumptuous entertainment was provided, which was followed by a grand concert.
The Synagogue was most suitably decorated on the occasion. The seats on each side were raised and the pulpit in the centre was adorned by crimson and gold. A space between the pulpit and the ark was appropriated to the Royal Dukes and the Nobility, who stood on a rich platform with four beautiful Egyptian chairs and stands for their books, flowers, etc.
The Synagogue was brilliantly illuminated by chandeliers. The High Priest, Rabbi Hirschell, in his sacerdotal habit displayed unusual magnificence: he was dressed in a robe of white satin of considerable value and ordered expressly for him by Abraham Goldsmid, Esq. The Royal Dukes arrived in the carriage of Mr. Goldsmid, and their own carriages followed with several ladies of distinction.
The singing was excellent and the Royal Dukes appeared much gratified by the Choruses. When the Ark was opened to take out the Five Books of Moses the Princes were conducted by Mr. Goldsmid to view the interior, at which they expressed great satisfaction, the structure being grand and beautiful. The galleries were crowded with beautiful Jewesses who attracted much the attention of the Royal Party. After the service, the Royal Dukes drove to the mansion of Mr. A. Goldsmid, where a sumptuous entertainment was provided, which was followed by a grand concert.
As I said, this community (excepting fringe sects) has always been very well integrated, very loyal to the crown and genuinely desirous of being part of the society
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Ahh okay thank you! Although I do not agree with everything you say I appreciate your response 
Original post by MalayHKG
I can see the amount of hate here towards the conservatives but there was an article posted by the Guardian i believe saying that the conservatives wanted to ensure all muslims were literate as they believe that if people are more literate, they can spot signs of radicalisation and inform local authorities. This helps REDUCE he number of people being radicalised so you can hate all you want but i personally see nothing wrong.
The 'Obsession' to integrate if you will, is that many of those who choose to hand their lives to ISIS are generally social outcasts who feel like they're not wanted by society and so by integrating them into the society, they feel as if they're part of the wider community.
The jews aren't targeted as in the western world jews aren't demonised to the scale in which muslims are. When was the last time you read a British newspaper reporting a 'Jewish Terrorist'? Never. Furthermore, the Jews tend to be from the middle and upper classes so it would be ridiculous of the conservatives to target the jews as they arguably provide more for the British economy than the muslims do as the vast majority of muslims in the UK are from the working class.
You say that "muslims mix into secondary schools" yet in my academy in West London with over 1100 students, i would say that 80% of the students are muslims and they don't generally mix with students who aren't muslims like me and so i would argue that they haven't really 'integrated'. The vast majority of schools either have a overwhelmingly large number of muslims or have a very small number.
You also mentioned that "you barely see them(jews) in work places" do you know why that is? Britain has a population of 64million and yet only around 300,000 jews in contrast to the muslim population of around 2.7 million and so inevitably you're going to see more muslims and be able to identify them.
You also say that many jews don't know english, you should visit Golders Green in North London where there is a large jewish presence with kosher butcher's ALL of whom speak perfectly fine english.
The 'Obsession' to integrate if you will, is that many of those who choose to hand their lives to ISIS are generally social outcasts who feel like they're not wanted by society and so by integrating them into the society, they feel as if they're part of the wider community.
The jews aren't targeted as in the western world jews aren't demonised to the scale in which muslims are. When was the last time you read a British newspaper reporting a 'Jewish Terrorist'? Never. Furthermore, the Jews tend to be from the middle and upper classes so it would be ridiculous of the conservatives to target the jews as they arguably provide more for the British economy than the muslims do as the vast majority of muslims in the UK are from the working class.
You say that "muslims mix into secondary schools" yet in my academy in West London with over 1100 students, i would say that 80% of the students are muslims and they don't generally mix with students who aren't muslims like me and so i would argue that they haven't really 'integrated'. The vast majority of schools either have a overwhelmingly large number of muslims or have a very small number.
You also mentioned that "you barely see them(jews) in work places" do you know why that is? Britain has a population of 64million and yet only around 300,000 jews in contrast to the muslim population of around 2.7 million and so inevitably you're going to see more muslims and be able to identify them.
You also say that many jews don't know english, you should visit Golders Green in North London where there is a large jewish presence with kosher butcher's ALL of whom speak perfectly fine english.
Original post by geniequeen48
Ahh okay thank you! Although I do not agree with everything you say I appreciate your response
What is it that you disagree with?
Original post by TheArtofProtest
The majority of wealthy Jews, and indeed most wealthy people in general, tend to vote Conservatives.
It literally has nothing to do with "progressiveness" or "values" but economics. The Conservatives will enrich you but the Labour Party will share the riches.
Members of the Charedi community, who are often less wealthier than their Jewish counterparts and in a sense, similar to the British Muslim community in terms of their values, vote Labour (Hackney North + Gateshead).
The fact that Muslims in the UK do not contribute or are less likely to be involved in political participation, compared with those of other faiths, has meant that they become an easy scapegoat for politicians who are seeking to deflect attention away from themselves.
At the end of the day, politics comes down to money, not values and that is becoming increasingly apparent especially over in the States. Candidates who get funding from corporations are unlikely to speak out against the corporation or the sector it operates in because when it comes to the next campaign, they simply won't get funded.
The Conservative Party is targeting Labour supporters, whether it be through trade union bills/campaign finance bills, electoral reform or just general voters, in order to demonize them, marginalize them and make them pariahs.
It literally has nothing to do with "progressiveness" or "values" but economics. The Conservatives will enrich you but the Labour Party will share the riches.
Members of the Charedi community, who are often less wealthier than their Jewish counterparts and in a sense, similar to the British Muslim community in terms of their values, vote Labour (Hackney North + Gateshead).
The fact that Muslims in the UK do not contribute or are less likely to be involved in political participation, compared with those of other faiths, has meant that they become an easy scapegoat for politicians who are seeking to deflect attention away from themselves.
At the end of the day, politics comes down to money, not values and that is becoming increasingly apparent especially over in the States. Candidates who get funding from corporations are unlikely to speak out against the corporation or the sector it operates in because when it comes to the next campaign, they simply won't get funded.
The Conservative Party is targeting Labour supporters, whether it be through trade union bills/campaign finance bills, electoral reform or just general voters, in order to demonize them, marginalize them and make them pariahs.
The Labour Party are making themselves pariahs when they are led by Corbyn. Which Jew would vote for a man so ardently anti-Israel? If Corbyn leads Labour into 2020 their Jewish vote will collapse.
(Also I would just say that the Conservative Party pushed through the trade union bill because they are ideologically against powerful union bosses, and also the present constituency boundaries are drawn in favour to Labour.)
To anyone who is interested in finding out more about the visit of the dukes to the synagogue in 1809, there's more here. It's quite interesting to see early accounts of an immigrant community in this country
http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/susser/roth/chfourteen.htm
You can see from this account how thrilled the Jews were to receive members of the Royal Family at their synagogue, and to make clear their loyalty to the country and the monarch. There's actually some very interesting material about Jews who served in the royal navy in the 19th century, and the large amount of fundraising by English Jews during that period to support veterans who had fallen on hard times etc
http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/susser/roth/chfourteen.htm
Great preparations were now made in Duke's Place. A special order of service was compiled, with verses composed for the occasion by Michael Joseph. The Rabbi and Wardens went out to greet the visitors, who were accompanied by their brother, the Duke of Sussex, later to make himself known as a student of Hebrew and champion of Jewish rights.
Their path, as they alighted from their carriages, was strewn with flowers by a bevy of beautiful children (one of them was Simeon Oppenheim, subsequently Secretary to the congregation). As they entered, at the close of the afternoon service, their advent was greeted by the chanting by a specially-augmented choir of a florid introductory stanza, which had been rendered into English verse
For many years after, down almost to the close of the century, London Jews used to tell of this occasion, and old men who were then members of the choir would hum the tunes which they had sung on that historic night.
Their path, as they alighted from their carriages, was strewn with flowers by a bevy of beautiful children (one of them was Simeon Oppenheim, subsequently Secretary to the congregation). As they entered, at the close of the afternoon service, their advent was greeted by the chanting by a specially-augmented choir of a florid introductory stanza, which had been rendered into English verse
For many years after, down almost to the close of the century, London Jews used to tell of this occasion, and old men who were then members of the choir would hum the tunes which they had sung on that historic night.
You can see from this account how thrilled the Jews were to receive members of the Royal Family at their synagogue, and to make clear their loyalty to the country and the monarch. There's actually some very interesting material about Jews who served in the royal navy in the 19th century, and the large amount of fundraising by English Jews during that period to support veterans who had fallen on hard times etc
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Original post by zimbo97
(Also I would just say that the Conservative Party pushed through the trade union bill because they are ideologically against powerful union bosses, and also the present constituency boundaries are drawn in favour to Labour.)
(Also I would just say that the Conservative Party pushed through the trade union bill because they are ideologically against powerful union bosses, and also the present constituency boundaries are drawn in favour to Labour.)
Actually, with Labour's collapse in Scotland the old analysis that says the electoral system favours the Labour Party is really no longer valid.
The Tories won 51% of the seats with 36% of the vote, they cannot make any serious claim to be hard done by with our voting system. If any party has any serious claim on that basis, it is UKIP (who I don't support, but at least they aren't pushing this dishonest, power-hungry line we are seeing from the Tories)
Original post by MalayHKG
What is it that you disagree with?
The school thing for example, since you have only experienced it in one school, i think it differs in areas of london. For example in my school the muslims want to talk to the non muslims and you see loads of mixed groups. On Ramadan theres even a trend where the non muslims join fasting for a day to support their friends.
You can search jewish terrorist right now and it'd be there, obviously it wouldn't be broadcasted worldwide.
Okay about the workforce thing. It is true what you said but shops in stamford hill and that area do not have jews working there as an assistant for example, they'd make a whole new business themself that's jewish focused. I don't see anything wrong with that except I'd like to see what they do.
Original post by geniequeen48
The school thing for example, since you have only experienced it in one school, i think it differs in areas of london. For example in my school the muslims want to talk to the non muslims and you see loads of mixed groups. On Ramadan theres even a trend where the non muslims join fasting for a day to support their friends.
You can search jewish terrorist right now and it'd be there, obviously it wouldn't be broadcasted worldwide.
Okay about the workforce thing. It is true what you said but shops in stamford hill and that area do not have jews working there as an assistant for example, they'd make a whole new business themself that's jewish focused. I don't see anything wrong with that except I'd like to see what they do.
You can search jewish terrorist right now and it'd be there, obviously it wouldn't be broadcasted worldwide.
Okay about the workforce thing. It is true what you said but shops in stamford hill and that area do not have jews working there as an assistant for example, they'd make a whole new business themself that's jewish focused. I don't see anything wrong with that except I'd like to see what they do.
I personally see no reason why a jewish person can't make a "whole new business themselves" and actually think it's a good thing as they're "integrating" into the community. It also shows that their entrepreneurship which is good as it signifies ambition.
Original post by zimbo97
No one minds that people speak to each other in a different language, it's the inability to speak English.
Actually a lot of people do.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3275447/Vile-racist-rant-London-bus-caught-camera.html
One of the main complaints of 'multiculturalism' is people speaking their own language and staying in their own communities. The fact these people are still speaking in their own language after about 5-6 generaitons shows they clearly haven't integrated well...
Original post by LeoAngliae
Actually, with Labour's collapse in Scotland the old analysis that says the electoral system favours the Labour Party is really no longer valid.
The Tories won 51% of the seats with 36% of the vote, they cannot make any serious claim to be hard done by with our voting system. If any party has any serious claim on that basis, it is UKIP (who I don't support, but at least they aren't pushing this dishonest, power-hungry line we are seeing from the Tories)
The Tories won 51% of the seats with 36% of the vote, they cannot make any serious claim to be hard done by with our voting system. If any party has any serious claim on that basis, it is UKIP (who I don't support, but at least they aren't pushing this dishonest, power-hungry line we are seeing from the Tories)
True, considering the SNP factor, the boundaries didn't help Labour nearly as much as previous elections. Though I suppose my point might be that they were still drawn by a Labour government with the intention of giving them an advantage.
And yes I agree, 4 million votes and one MP is just completely ridiculous. I used to be in favour of FPTP but now I think its unjustifiable with discrepancies that great.
Original post by zimbo97
Actually, they weren't. They were actually drawn by the boundary commission, as it has always been done. The constituency boundaries have never been drawn by the government of the day, the "unfair advantage" of Labour was that their vote tended be better distributed compared to the Tory vote (i.e. the Tories would have many seats where they had almost all the votes, but every vote above 51% is wasted). I don't see how that's "unfair" because the Tories have no inherent right to a particular number of seats or level of representation, that's just the way the chips fell in the FPTP system that the Tories support.
The Tories took this distribution of voters to be "unfair" and say the boundaries must be redrawn to be "fairer" to them (it's not entirely clear what measure of fairness they are using, other than that apparently their voters are more clustered together and that they "deserve" not to be disadvantaged by an inherent limitation of FPTP). Of course that's not "unfair", it's just the way the system is. For the Tories to then claim that the system is disadvantageous to them when they have won 51% of the seats in parliament with 36% of the vote is nauseatingly cynical and transparent
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Original post by Ravenous
Actually a lot of people do.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3275447/Vile-racist-rant-London-bus-caught-camera.html
One of the main complaints of 'multiculturalism' is people speaking their own language and staying in their own communities. The fact these people are still speaking in their own language after about 5-6 generaitons shows they clearly haven't integrated well...
One of the main complaints of 'multiculturalism' is people speaking their own language and staying in their own communities. The fact these people are still speaking in their own language after about 5-6 generaitons shows they clearly haven't integrated well...
The fact that the awful woman's rant made the news (in the Daily Mail no less) shows that people like her are exceptions.
And I would disagree, if a 5th generation Jewish child can still speak Yiddish I think that's a good thing. I would assume that like all the other Jewish kids I have met at school and university he speaks English fluently and socialises with people of all ethnicities.
I am a 2nd generation Bosnian, but speak none of the language, and I have to say I wish I did so I would have more of a link to my family who are still there. I don't think that being able to speak Bosnian would make me any less integrated into society though.
Original post by zimbo97
The fact that the awful woman's rant made the news (in the Daily Mail no less) shows that people like her are exceptions.
And I would disagree, if a 5th generation Jewish child can still speak Yiddish I think that's a good thing. I would assume that like all the other Jewish kids I have met at school and university he speaks English fluently and socialises with people of all ethnicities.
I am a 2nd generation Bosnian, but speak none of the language, and I have to say I wish I did so I would have more of a link to my family who are still there. I don't think that being able to speak Bosnian would make me any less integrated into society though.
And I would disagree, if a 5th generation Jewish child can still speak Yiddish I think that's a good thing. I would assume that like all the other Jewish kids I have met at school and university he speaks English fluently and socialises with people of all ethnicities.
I am a 2nd generation Bosnian, but speak none of the language, and I have to say I wish I did so I would have more of a link to my family who are still there. I don't think that being able to speak Bosnian would make me any less integrated into society though.
Very well said, completely agree. The fundamental point here is that, excepting a very small fringe of Haredi, Chabad Lubavitch etc groups, Jews tend to be very well integrated and in my opinion have found an excellent middle-ground between being integrated in this society, taking part in it and contributing to it, while also continuing their traditions and teaching their children of their history.
I can understand that Jewish people tend to be quite concerned with ensuring that their traditions don't die out given that European Jewry came close to being wiped out only 70 years ago, and given there are only 15 million or so Jews in the world, they worry about whether one day they will cease to exist.
There is a distinction between teaching your children your children their heritage on the one hand (and for most Jews, it's learning Hebrew as a liturgical language of the Torah, rather than Yiddish which is essentially medieval German with Hebrew letters and tends to be spoken as an everyday language... most normal, mainstream orthodox Jews will learn Hebrew at school, Anglo-Jewish families don't tend to speak Yiddish and the ones who do are usually part of ultra-orthodox sects who do it for reasons of insularity.. again they are a tiny fraction of English Jewry) and failing to integrate on the other
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Original post by TheProteinSheikh
Integration is a polite, half-admission of the real issue.
If Black people celebrate Kwanzaa and seek to peacefully improve their standing in society - Not an issue
If Sikhs celebrate Diwali - fine by me
Multiculturalism is fine, what is not fine, is gunning down a load of civilians in a restaurant or at a rock concert.
If Black people celebrate Kwanzaa and seek to peacefully improve their standing in society - Not an issue
If Sikhs celebrate Diwali - fine by me
Multiculturalism is fine, what is not fine, is gunning down a load of civilians in a restaurant or at a rock concert.
Sikhs don't celebrate DiVali you moron.
Original post by jambojim97
Sikhs don't celebrate DiVali you moron.
Yes they do.
Both Hindus and Sikhs do.
Original post by LeoAngliae
Actually, they weren't. They were actually drawn by the boundary commission, as it has always been done. The constituency boundaries have never been drawn by the government of the day, the "unfair advantage" of Labour was that their vote tended be better distributed compared to the Tory vote (i.e. the Tories would have many seats where they had almost all the votes, but every vote above 51% is wasted). I don't see how that's "unfair" because the Tories have no inherent right to a particular number of seats or level of representation, that's just the way the chips fell in the FPTP system that the Tories support.
The Tories took this distribution of voters to be "unfair" and say the boundaries must be redrawn to be "fairer" to them (it's not entirely clear what measure of fairness they are using, other than that apparently their voters are more clustered together and that they "deserve" not to be disadvantaged by an inherent limitation of FPTP). Of course that's not "unfair", it's just the way the system is. For the Tories to then claim that the system is disadvantageous to them when they have won 51% of the seats in parliament with 36% of the vote is nauseatingly cynical and transparent
The Tories took this distribution of voters to be "unfair" and say the boundaries must be redrawn to be "fairer" to them (it's not entirely clear what measure of fairness they are using, other than that apparently their voters are more clustered together and that they "deserve" not to be disadvantaged by an inherent limitation of FPTP). Of course that's not "unfair", it's just the way the system is. For the Tories to then claim that the system is disadvantageous to them when they have won 51% of the seats in parliament with 36% of the vote is nauseatingly cynical and transparent
Oh I wasn't aware of that, or if I was then I'd forgotten.
But the problem is wider than just the question of boundaries, and FPTP would produce skewed results however they were drawn. So what changes would you like to be implemented to stop 36.9%=330 seats, or 35%=355 (2005 election).
Original post by geniequeen48
Contributed what? May I ask?
Contributed what? May I ask?
Seriously? You don't know of the contributions of British Jews in public life?
Should we start with the Rothschilds, who have been here for two centuries and contributed hugely to charity, who have served in the military and in government, and been great supporters of the British crown.
Historians like Simon Sebag Montefiore (and in fact all the famous Montefiores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Montefiore), the great poet Siegfried Sassoon whose poetry about his service on the Western Front is amongst the best in the English language (and many others from the Sassoons, a family of Baghdadi Jews who came here in the 19th century and have contributed much).
Another historian like Bernard Lewis, the famous orientalist. Lord Winston, the doctor and BBC presenter. Sir George Alberti, President of the Royal College of Physicians (who is among the very many accomplished Jews in medicine). The philosophers Sir Isaiah Berlin and Alain de Boton. Karl Popper. HLA Hart, the brilliant legal philospher. Norman Geras.
There are the artists like Lucian Freud, publishers like Victor Gollancz and Lord Weidenfeld. Writers like Alan Coren and his children Giles and Victoria. The playwrights Harold Pinter and Tom Stoppard. Physicists like Max Born
There are the politicians, like Nigel Lawson, Michael Howard, John Bercow and the Milibands. The lawyers and judges like Lord Neuberger, Lord Carlile, Sir Michael Tugendhat, Lord Silkin and Lord Woolf.
Media personalities like Alan Sugar, Michael Green and Lord Saatchi. Military figures like General Goldsmid.
The list is genuinely endless, the contribution of British Jews to this society is beyond question. I'm not sure if your question was malicious or you are genuinely unaware
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