Are women still oppressed???
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Why do feminists always ignore the proper wage gap variables, modern day feminism in the west is a joke. Nobody can take it seriously when they spew constant ********. Actual proper studies have been conducted and proved when you take into account all the variables affecting wages, the wage gap is near enough non existent
Also, if it did exist, why wouldn't companies fire all the men and hire women?
Also, if it did exist, why wouldn't companies fire all the men and hire women?
Original post by Kravence
Not in the west
Women are being more and more oppressed in the U.S. under the Trump administration, particularly surrounding the legality and availability of abortion.
Original post by feministy
They are more than half the population actually but your cousin is a fool.
There are so many examples.
There are so many examples.
"So many examples", yet you fail to give one... quite telling.
Original post by Hugh_Jass
"So many examples", yet you fail to give one... quite telling.
Too many to choose from man, it's too tempting to pick slut shaming but feminist theme of the month is how women are portrayed in film.
Original post by feministy
Too many to choose from man, it's too tempting to pick slut shaming but feminist theme of the month is how women are portrayed in film.
If there are really are "too many to choose from" you should be able to write at least a couple, with the explanation.
Original post by Hugh_Jass
If there are really are "too many to choose from" you should be able to write at least a couple, with the explanation.
I'm so tired tho mate, here's some crap
Guy=legend
Girl=slut
Lot less painful and easier to take off erm unless you be watering daisies.
Oh and virgins bigger female big deal.
Female obese feel worse than male.
Tested on men so that it fits the male body and then women die? In car accidents?no more?
Boys don't cryyyyyyyy, victim blaming, car keys eat fingers.
Am I allowed to copy and paste please? Mind is mine and a total mess.
Original post by feministy
I'm so tired tho mate, here's some crap
Guy=legend
Girl=slut
Lot less painful and easier to take off erm unless you be watering daisies.
Oh and virgins bigger female big deal.
Female obese feel worse than male.
Tested on men so that it fits the male body and then women die? In car accidents?no more?
Boys don't cryyyyyyyy, victim blaming, car keys eat fingers.
Am I allowed to copy and paste please? Mind is mine and a total mess.
Guy=legend
Girl=slut
Lot less painful and easier to take off erm unless you be watering daisies.
Oh and virgins bigger female big deal.
Female obese feel worse than male.
Tested on men so that it fits the male body and then women die? In car accidents?no more?
Boys don't cryyyyyyyy, victim blaming, car keys eat fingers.
Am I allowed to copy and paste please? Mind is mine and a total mess.
OK, well send me something legible tomorrow.
of course lol
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Original post by Sarahsez
His point was since women are more than half of the population, why can't they stand up for themselves ? Why don't Pakistani women fight the oppression rather than accept it like many do in that society?
One way to think about this is to think about poverty. In any one nation, the wealthy will make up only 5% of the population. Why don't the 95% rise up and grab their wealth?
Ideology and making the status quo seem natural is one of the reason why power relationships work and continue to work.
Remember, in the West, women have only been allowed to be educated in the 1900s. All aspects of society have been organised to benefit men. The very seat of power (parliament) does not reflect society. Neither do other institutions (legal, education etc). This may mean that society is not organised in ways that truly benefit women.
For example, when you have a child, you will only get maternity pay for 6 months. After that, you will have to live off benefits. Childcare fees can cost around £1000 per month. As bringing up children is still predominately the responsibility of women, this can lead to years of relative poverty for many women.
Now, if men had babies, I am sure that this vital job would be better respected and maternity pay and child care would be catered for.
There is nothing natural about inequality. No one gender, ethnic group etc is "better" than another. So how is it that women receive much less pay than men and occupy the majority of low paid and insecure jobs.
Inequality is terrible for everyone and cannot be justified as being natural.
Original post by Sarahsez
My cousin was saying women are half of the population so how can society be sexist(esp in UK) and even if society is sexist then how can't half of the population make a difference. Men are leaders and run the world because they are simply better at most things and more suited.
He said give him one reason how women in the UK are oppressed.
He said give him one reason how women in the UK are oppressed.
As a feminist, if I am honest, I don't feel as though women are really oppressed that much in Western society. Yes I get pissed off about the hyper-sexualisation of the female body and the fact it is used to literally sell things but other than that I think we have it pretty good. I am more concerned about those in Eastern countries who get shot for going to school etc.
Nobody in the west's "oppressed", aside from Pedos perhaps. And that's with good reason I might add. In what sense're women oppressed?
In the sense of wages? The St. Louis Federal Reserve regurgitates what the CONSAD Research Corporation found in the 2007 report to the Dept. of Labour which's the following:
1) A large difference in wages can be accounted for a difference in experience, education, hours worked, and etc.
2) Women often choose lower-paying professions.
3) Women often choose the "kind of" workplace over wage-growth potential.
and 4) When you adjust the gap for benefits and wages the difference falls from 13.6% to 3.7%.
CONSAD also said that there may be other factors that their model hadn't considered due to limitations in data could account for the remaining difference in wages.
In the sense of reproductive rights? In most western countries as far as I'm aware abortions're legal. You don't have a right to make others pay for your desire to've an abortion imo, however.
In the sense of representation in the government? Even the New York Times admits a large part of that's due to the fact that they just don't run as often.
Or's it in the sense of domestic violence? Which happens to men 10% less, yet's blatantly ignored.
In-fact, women have many more rights then men do in some respects:
1) Women're often granted the child due to the mode of thinking that "The mother should always take care of the child" during divorces.
2) Women've organizations [in the US] to provide them healthcare. And women's healthcare is considered a major issue, you don't see the same thing for poor men here.
3) Women can get student loans, vote, run for office, etc. Without agreeing to hand over their life to the government in the advent of a major war. Actually in this respect you can also be thrown in prison for not agreeing to do so.
4) Women can actually chose parenthood; if a man doesn't want the child but the woman does then he has to pay for it despite not wanting it. Unlikewise if the women doesn't want it but the man does, then he has to come to grips with it being x'd.
the list goes on.
Sources:
On the wage gap: https://www.shrm.org/hr-today/public-policy/hr-public-policy-issues/Documents/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf and https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/october-2011/gender-wage-gap-may-be-much-smaller-than-most-think
On running for office: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/upshot/the-problem-for-women-is-not-winning-its-deciding-to-run.html
On The Draft: https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Why-Register/Benefits-and-Penalties
TL;DR
Stop trying to victimize yourself for no reason.
In the sense of wages? The St. Louis Federal Reserve regurgitates what the CONSAD Research Corporation found in the 2007 report to the Dept. of Labour which's the following:
1) A large difference in wages can be accounted for a difference in experience, education, hours worked, and etc.
2) Women often choose lower-paying professions.
3) Women often choose the "kind of" workplace over wage-growth potential.
and 4) When you adjust the gap for benefits and wages the difference falls from 13.6% to 3.7%.
CONSAD also said that there may be other factors that their model hadn't considered due to limitations in data could account for the remaining difference in wages.
In the sense of reproductive rights? In most western countries as far as I'm aware abortions're legal. You don't have a right to make others pay for your desire to've an abortion imo, however.
In the sense of representation in the government? Even the New York Times admits a large part of that's due to the fact that they just don't run as often.
Or's it in the sense of domestic violence? Which happens to men 10% less, yet's blatantly ignored.
In-fact, women have many more rights then men do in some respects:
1) Women're often granted the child due to the mode of thinking that "The mother should always take care of the child" during divorces.
2) Women've organizations [in the US] to provide them healthcare. And women's healthcare is considered a major issue, you don't see the same thing for poor men here.
3) Women can get student loans, vote, run for office, etc. Without agreeing to hand over their life to the government in the advent of a major war. Actually in this respect you can also be thrown in prison for not agreeing to do so.
4) Women can actually chose parenthood; if a man doesn't want the child but the woman does then he has to pay for it despite not wanting it. Unlikewise if the women doesn't want it but the man does, then he has to come to grips with it being x'd.
the list goes on.
Sources:
On the wage gap: https://www.shrm.org/hr-today/public-policy/hr-public-policy-issues/Documents/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf and https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/october-2011/gender-wage-gap-may-be-much-smaller-than-most-think
On running for office: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/upshot/the-problem-for-women-is-not-winning-its-deciding-to-run.html
On The Draft: https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Why-Register/Benefits-and-Penalties
TL;DR
Stop trying to victimize yourself for no reason.
(edited 6 years ago)
Everyone is oppressed in some sense
Original post by elfreda69
One way to think about this is to think about poverty. In any one nation, the wealthy will make up only 5% of the population. Why don't the 95% rise up and grab their wealth?
Ideology and making the status quo seem natural is one of the reason why power relationships work and continue to work.
Remember, in the West, women have only been allowed to be educated in the 1900s. All aspects of society have been organised to benefit men. The very seat of power (parliament) does not reflect society. Neither do other institutions (legal, education etc). This may mean that society is not organised in ways that truly benefit women.
For example, when you have a child, you will only get maternity pay for 6 months. After that, you will have to live off benefits. Childcare fees can cost around £1000 per month. As bringing up children is still predominately the responsibility of women, this can lead to years of relative poverty for many women.
Now, if men had babies, I am sure that this vital job would be better respected and maternity pay and child care would be catered for.
There is nothing natural about inequality. No one gender, ethnic group etc is "better" than another. So how is it that women receive much less pay than men and occupy the majority of low paid and insecure jobs.
Inequality is terrible for everyone and cannot be justified as being natural.
Ideology and making the status quo seem natural is one of the reason why power relationships work and continue to work.
Remember, in the West, women have only been allowed to be educated in the 1900s. All aspects of society have been organised to benefit men. The very seat of power (parliament) does not reflect society. Neither do other institutions (legal, education etc). This may mean that society is not organised in ways that truly benefit women.
For example, when you have a child, you will only get maternity pay for 6 months. After that, you will have to live off benefits. Childcare fees can cost around £1000 per month. As bringing up children is still predominately the responsibility of women, this can lead to years of relative poverty for many women.
Now, if men had babies, I am sure that this vital job would be better respected and maternity pay and child care would be catered for.
There is nothing natural about inequality. No one gender, ethnic group etc is "better" than another. So how is it that women receive much less pay than men and occupy the majority of low paid and insecure jobs.
Inequality is terrible for everyone and cannot be justified as being natural.
The top 5 worst college majors are dominated by women. Counselling and Psychology (74% female) early childhood education (97% female), human services and community relations (81% female), social work (88% female). Women just decide to go into different fields than men, not because of any institutionalized government conspiracy keeping them from doing what they want to do. Not everyone is equal intellectually or physically, so therefore there is an inequality. Both sexes are more biologically specialized for certain careers. For example, construction work is dominated by men as they are generally more suited towards lifting heavier objects and performing tasks requiring significant endurance. One reason social work is dominated by women is because women seem more approachable to younger children than larger men. Another reason is because numerous studies have concluded that women are generally more empathetic than men, with studies concluding that female nurses are more connected emotionally to their patients, therefore relieving their patients of stress.
Original post by Zargabaath
Never has an oppressed group:
The average woman is not oppressed. The only thing that resembles oppression in the UK today, is class oppression. Which effects both women and men.
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Been better educated (girls do better in school)
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Had a higher healthcare spending on them
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Had more lenient sentences in court
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Had bias in family courts towards them
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Had a lower chance of being physically assaulted
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Had a lower chance of being murdered
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Had less work related injuries & deaths
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Been less likely to be depressed
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Been less likely to kill themselves
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Been less likely to be unemployed
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Been less likely to be homeless
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Been less likely to abuse drugs
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Been seen as worth more ("women and children first", domestic violence being seen as a female issue when the proportion is more like 40% men and 60% women)
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Had the power to ruin the "oppressors" life by claiming rape
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Lived longer
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Had a movement, despite all these points, claiming they are oppressed and that they need even more privileges
The average woman is not oppressed. The only thing that resembles oppression in the UK today, is class oppression. Which effects both women and men.
Despite your long list of bullet points, you have failed to discuss one of the major areas of oppression:
Women are more likely to be in low-paid jobs. Despite the rise women going onto university, women do not dominate the the upper echelons of of top companies. Women are more likely to receive lower pay than their male counterparts.
In addition, almost all religions impose considerable restrictions on women. Take Islam, for example, it is women who feel forced to cover themselves to ridiculous lengths, have their freedoms restricted and governed over by the males in their families.
Islam is not alone in this, but it must be one of the most oppressive religions for a woman. I know this from growing amongst people of many different backgrounds and having many friends and colleagues who are muslims.
(edited 6 years ago)
Original post by Djerun
The top 5 worst college majors are dominated by women. Counselling and Psychology (74% female) early childhood education (97% female), human services and community relations (81% female), social work (88% female). Women just decide to go into different fields than men, not because of any institutionalized government conspiracy keeping them from doing what they want to do. Not everyone is equal intellectually or physically, so therefore there is an inequality. Both sexes are more biologically specialized for certain careers. For example, construction work is dominated by men as they are generally more suited towards lifting heavier objects and performing tasks requiring significant endurance. One reason social work is dominated by women is because women seem more approachable to younger children than larger men. Another reason is because numerous studies have concluded that women are generally more empathetic than men, with studies concluding that female nurses are more connected emotionally to their patients, therefore relieving their patients of stress.
This is true, there is a clear gender divide in some areas of the labour force. But, why are some professions better paid than others? Why is it that female dominated professions tend to be less well paid? Less valued?
In addition, why is it that when men do enter female dominated professions, they tend to quickly rise to the top and get higher rates of pay? The reverse is not the same for women entering male dominated professions.
Quote: Not everyone is equal intellectually or physically, so therefore there is an inequality.
You seem to suggest that there is an intellectual difference between the sexes: what evidence is there of this? I can find none.
Quote: Women just decide to go into different fields than men, not because of any institutionalized government conspiracy keeping them from doing what they want to do.
No-one is suggesting something so simplistic and crude. There are many different forces at play. For example: why are the professions dominated by women valued less? Who gets to decide what is more valuable? Why is employment organised in such a way that it causes tremendous problems for women with children or who are caring for their elderly parents?
Things COULD be changed in order to make life different, better. For example, we all know about child labour in the Victorian era. It took considerable campaigning before laws were passed that improved the life of children.
Original post by elfreda69
This is true, there is a clear gender divide in some areas of the labour force. But, why are some professions better paid than others? Why is it that female dominated professions tend to be less well paid? Less valued?
In addition, why is it that when men do enter female dominated professions, they tend to quickly rise to the top and get higher rates of pay? The reverse is not the same for women entering male dominated professions.
Quote: Not everyone is equal intellectually or physically, so therefore there is an inequality.
You seem to suggest that there is an intellectual difference between the sexes: what evidence is there of this? I can find none.
Quote: Women just decide to go into different fields than men, not because of any institutionalized government conspiracy keeping them from doing what they want to do.
No-one is suggesting something so simplistic and crude. There are many different forces at play. For example: why are the professions dominated by women valued less? Who gets to decide what is more valuable? Why is employment organised in such a way that it causes tremendous problems for women with children or who are caring for their elderly parents?
Things COULD be changed in order to make life different, better. For example, we all know about child labour in the Victorian era. It took considerable campaigning before laws were passed that improved the life of children.
In addition, why is it that when men do enter female dominated professions, they tend to quickly rise to the top and get higher rates of pay? The reverse is not the same for women entering male dominated professions.
Quote: Not everyone is equal intellectually or physically, so therefore there is an inequality.
You seem to suggest that there is an intellectual difference between the sexes: what evidence is there of this? I can find none.
Quote: Women just decide to go into different fields than men, not because of any institutionalized government conspiracy keeping them from doing what they want to do.
No-one is suggesting something so simplistic and crude. There are many different forces at play. For example: why are the professions dominated by women valued less? Who gets to decide what is more valuable? Why is employment organised in such a way that it causes tremendous problems for women with children or who are caring for their elderly parents?
Things COULD be changed in order to make life different, better. For example, we all know about child labour in the Victorian era. It took considerable campaigning before laws were passed that improved the life of children.
Are you seriously asking why certain professions get paid more than others? The ceo of google is obviously going to get paid more than someone who works in domestic cleaning. This is because, google as a company has a phenomenal value. Therefore, the ceo would be paid considerably more. Its very basic. Females have babies. Men don't.
Men are more likely to work overtime.
Men are less likely to take leave (because they won't have babies)
Obviously a company is going to value the worker who works the longer hours and takes less leave..
Not everyone is equal intellectually. Where did I imply that (intellectually) this was to do with gender? I stated that "not everyone is equal intellectually"..which is true.
Many are suggesting that women go into different fields due to the pressure of the alleged "patriarchy". Have you seen 2017 feminists?
Society determines what is more valuable. Gold is more valuable than paper, because it's rarer. People such as neurosurgeons are in high demand, due to the high amount of proficiency required to have a job in the field. In comparison, nearly anyone can clean toilets and you don't have to study for years to get the grips of it.
Also, society can't stop while you have a baby. If it did, the economy would collapse. Therefore, companies can't be expected to halt business to make it "fair" for the woman on maternity leave.
Yes, things could be changed that could make life different.
ummm jk Rowling is one of the wealthiest ppl in the U.k if our society was sexist how is it possable for her to rise to such a high place.
JK Rowling is an exception. Women are around 50 pc of the population but are poorly represented in many areas: politics, the judiciary, business and so on. They are over represented in low wage and low prestigious roles. If university admission shows that more females irrespective of familial income go to university, it is incongruous that so few women end up holding top jobs.
Structural changes and values need to change to truly bring about equality of opportunity.
However, white, western women have far greater liberties and opportunities than their sisters in poorer or even Islamic nations
Structural changes and values need to change to truly bring about equality of opportunity.
However, white, western women have far greater liberties and opportunities than their sisters in poorer or even Islamic nations
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