Cheating on a spouse should be a crime
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I agree that increased reporting of domestic violence, child abuse and rape is probably due to a social climate that encourages victims to come forward.
The true scale of these crimes is difficult to grasp because so many victims may never come forward.
My friend was sexually assaulted during an exam on university premises, she never reported it to the police.
The incident was on CCTV, she was assisted by a staff member and other students who chased out the perpetrator but the university threatened to terminate her student registration for "bringing this university into disrepute" if she got police involved.
Very few males will admit to being domestically abused by a woman or even sexually harassed at a club- they fear they will not be taken seriously.
A few bartenders I know encounter regular sexual harassment from women at work and just laugh it off.
Of course knife crime is not caused by not having a father. I'm no fan of the Daily Mail.
But growing up without a father also often means 50% less parental involvement, lack of a day to day male role model and a lot less discipline from male adults within the family unit.
A working single parent has to do everything concerned with parenting and also financially provide for the family- whether mother or father.
The end result is a working single parent does their best, works flat out and keeps the food on the table.
There are not enough hours in the day for one person to do it all, remember everything and prioritize perfectly 100% of the time.
I couldn't do it and that knowledge means that I can never be a single mother.
My father and uncle were orphaned as children. Neither acted like violent thugs.
But they grew up with no permanent home, no parental involvement, no encouragement or advice from a mother and father.
Imagine the potential for violent crime if they had fallen into the wrong crowd- with no parents to identify what was going on or try to pull them out.
The true scale of these crimes is difficult to grasp because so many victims may never come forward.
My friend was sexually assaulted during an exam on university premises, she never reported it to the police.
The incident was on CCTV, she was assisted by a staff member and other students who chased out the perpetrator but the university threatened to terminate her student registration for "bringing this university into disrepute" if she got police involved.
Very few males will admit to being domestically abused by a woman or even sexually harassed at a club- they fear they will not be taken seriously.
A few bartenders I know encounter regular sexual harassment from women at work and just laugh it off.
Of course knife crime is not caused by not having a father. I'm no fan of the Daily Mail.
But growing up without a father also often means 50% less parental involvement, lack of a day to day male role model and a lot less discipline from male adults within the family unit.
A working single parent has to do everything concerned with parenting and also financially provide for the family- whether mother or father.
The end result is a working single parent does their best, works flat out and keeps the food on the table.
There are not enough hours in the day for one person to do it all, remember everything and prioritize perfectly 100% of the time.
I couldn't do it and that knowledge means that I can never be a single mother.
My father and uncle were orphaned as children. Neither acted like violent thugs.
But they grew up with no permanent home, no parental involvement, no encouragement or advice from a mother and father.
Imagine the potential for violent crime if they had fallen into the wrong crowd- with no parents to identify what was going on or try to pull them out.
Original post by Waldorf67
Domestic abuse has only recently been recognised as a crime, and more and more people feel able to report it. You are foolish if you believe that domestic violence was rarer than today, it was just simply not recognised.
Like I also said a family with parents who feel able to separate and sustain themselves is most certainly not a “broken family”. Just because more couples feel able to seperate, does not mean that more couples are unhappy. The poisonous dynamic is when unhappy families stay together.
So many “knife wielding fatherless children”
You sound like a Daily Mail columnist. What an arrogant assumption to make, that the increase in knife crime is directly caused by those children not having fathers. Of course let’s not pay any attention to all the literature that has shown that with parenting, quality not quantity is the important factor.
Again, an increase in reported rapes/ child abuse is because more people are able to, and feel able to report them. The actually number of rapes and child sex abuse in the past would have been a lot higher than the reported number of rapes.
Your post is hysterical and entirely unsubstantiated.
Like I also said a family with parents who feel able to separate and sustain themselves is most certainly not a “broken family”. Just because more couples feel able to seperate, does not mean that more couples are unhappy. The poisonous dynamic is when unhappy families stay together.
So many “knife wielding fatherless children”
You sound like a Daily Mail columnist. What an arrogant assumption to make, that the increase in knife crime is directly caused by those children not having fathers. Of course let’s not pay any attention to all the literature that has shown that with parenting, quality not quantity is the important factor.Again, an increase in reported rapes/ child abuse is because more people are able to, and feel able to report them. The actually number of rapes and child sex abuse in the past would have been a lot higher than the reported number of rapes.
Your post is hysterical and entirely unsubstantiated.
Original post by Joleee
you can't criminalise everything you're morally against; we don't have enough jail cells for it.
it also does nothing for the kids if dad is in jail.
it also does nothing for the kids if dad is in jail.
Yeah, cause it's always the man that cheats, isn't it?
Original post by londonmyst
During the medieval era, signed marriage agreements were considered essential when negotiating royal and aristocratic marriages.
That is still the case In many middle eastern and asian countries today, for both the rich and poor.
Personally I'm not keen on pre-nuptial marriage agreements or resurrecting any other aspects of medieval life.
I don't agree with the social cultural attitude that sees marriage as a business.
Or a contract with terms and conditions- both of which were true in medieval times.
The dark ages acquired that name for a reason- they were dark and dangerous times.
Women were treated like chattel with next to no rights unless a male relative insisted on giving them some, people who disagreed religion were tortured and murdered, women denounced as witches were mass murdered.
In modern times where most countries have democratic secular government and liberal cultural attitudes, most people are vocal in their commitment to gender equality/sexual freedom and gay rights.
It's a bit ironic that a social culture of liberal progressive politics and secular belief is also embracing the resurrection of medieval practices that originated in the darkest days of religion and history.
That is still the case In many middle eastern and asian countries today, for both the rich and poor.
Personally I'm not keen on pre-nuptial marriage agreements or resurrecting any other aspects of medieval life.
I don't agree with the social cultural attitude that sees marriage as a business.
Or a contract with terms and conditions- both of which were true in medieval times.
The dark ages acquired that name for a reason- they were dark and dangerous times.
Women were treated like chattel with next to no rights unless a male relative insisted on giving them some, people who disagreed religion were tortured and murdered, women denounced as witches were mass murdered.
In modern times where most countries have democratic secular government and liberal cultural attitudes, most people are vocal in their commitment to gender equality/sexual freedom and gay rights.
It's a bit ironic that a social culture of liberal progressive politics and secular belief is also embracing the resurrection of medieval practices that originated in the darkest days of religion and history.
These days if you don't have a signed agreement at the start you likely just end with an argument in court if it ends. The primary point of a prenup is to save that anguish, save on lawyers and provide conditions regarding the termination of a relationship. It's nothing to do with denying rights to women, or turning marriage into a business.
Oh, and the dark ages are so called because of the lack of record on them, hence being in the dark about what happened. Sure, there have been better times in history, but there have also been worse; there's nothing exceptional about the dark ages.
Original post by Waldorf67
Domestic abuse has only recently been recognised as a crime, and more and more people feel able to report it. You are foolish if you believe that domestic violence was rarer than today, it was just simply not recognised.
Like I also said a family with parents who feel able to separate and sustain themselves is most certainly not a “broken family”. Just because more couples feel able to seperate, does not mean that more couples are unhappy. The poisonous dynamic is when unhappy families stay together.
So many “knife wielding fatherless children” You sound like a Daily Mail columnist. What an arrogant assumption to make, that the increase in knife crime is directly caused by those children not having fathers. Of course let’s not pay any attention to all the literature that has shown that with parenting, quality not quantity is the important factor.
Again, an increase in reported rapes/ child abuse is because more people are able to, and feel able to report them. The actually number of rapes and child sex abuse in the past would have been a lot higher than the reported number of rapes.
Your post is hysterical and entirely unsubstantiated.
Like I also said a family with parents who feel able to separate and sustain themselves is most certainly not a “broken family”. Just because more couples feel able to seperate, does not mean that more couples are unhappy. The poisonous dynamic is when unhappy families stay together.
So many “knife wielding fatherless children”
You sound like a Daily Mail columnist. What an arrogant assumption to make, that the increase in knife crime is directly caused by those children not having fathers. Of course let’s not pay any attention to all the literature that has shown that with parenting, quality not quantity is the important factor.Again, an increase in reported rapes/ child abuse is because more people are able to, and feel able to report them. The actually number of rapes and child sex abuse in the past would have been a lot higher than the reported number of rapes.
Your post is hysterical and entirely unsubstantiated.
Dishonest people like you will always downplay and obfuscate the severity of the societal problems blighting this country because admitting things are worse would cast serious doubts over your precious liberal shibboleths. Many domestic violence incidents begin because one person desires exclusive possession of another in a society that encourages sexual freedom. The sexual free-for-all cultivated by an increase in liberty fuels jealousy - it makes things worse.
You can’t even bring yourself to admit that the erosion of the moral and social restraints that used to govern human relationships has lead to the emergence of an appallingly crude, but now very common attitude to relations between the sexes. Human relationships haven’t become more authentic as a result of increased liberty. Instead, liaisons are often formed with little thought and as a result have become shallower and more dysfunctional – leading to an increase in human misery.
Children do best and are better behaved when they are brought up by both biological parents who are married. The evidence is undeniable: the traditional family unit is the best. But of course, progressive reality-deniers like you can’t accept that something “old-fashioned” could actually be better than your progressive ideals.
You downplay the importance of the family, yet you’ll be the first person to suggest that everyone should be sympathetic to single parent families. If a single parent family is just as good as the traditional family unit, then why do so many single mothers often use their single parent status to garner sympathy?
Even the people from the communities most affected by knife crime admit that absent fathers are at the root of the problem. With no male role model and thus no sense of discipline, boys who grow up in these environments feel as if they can operate in an unlimited manner. Their mothers are either indifferent or powerless (usually out of fear) to act. But you, the progressive liberal thinker, are happy to deny this inconvenient reality to protect your ideology.
So-called progressives like you simply can’t bring yourself to admit that, perhaps, people from bygone generations had a deeper, subtler understanding of human relations, leading to better outcomes. In your view, everything from the past is awful, and nothing from it can ever be better than the present. Even when that present-day thinking is less refined and results in greater misery, it is still better because it is “progressive”. The only important thing to be pursued is unrestricted personal freedom; it’s pure hedonism.
You’ll keep using political correctness and hackneyed obfuscations to conceal the increase in social pathology. The covering up of the child-grooming gang scandals – which still continue to this day - demonstrates how far people equipped with your kind of thinking are prepared to go in order to deny reality.
I work with a legal firm that specializes in the business of pre-nuptial agreements, post-nuptial agreements and divorce litigation.
To quote a senior partner "On weekdays marriage is a business, one we view as spectators during work hours and personally avoid like the plague in our private lives".
It's a heck of a business where fees are £550 an hour, minimum of two hours to take client initial instructions and personalize the basic template contract with an average of 80 words.
If a bespoke document is required that's an instant £5000 plus VAT.
I'm guessing you've not gone through a divorce.
In London a signed pre-nuptial agreement is no protection at all in a secular divorce. Unlike France and Germany, London judges are very reluctant to uphold pre-nuptial agreements.
The same legal specialists that earn a fortune creating pre-nups also double their billing breaking them.
The old saying "if man can make it man can break it" becomes 'contract lawyer makes it, contract lawyer breaks it'.
London is seen as a coveted divorce venue for less affluent spouses of the super rich and more modestly deep pocketed- a perception arising from a series of very generous judicial financial settlement decisions. It's how London acquired the 'ancillary relief capital of the world' moniker.
On the plus side, divorce tourists are a goldmine for London- spending an absolute fortune on court fees, legal advice services, couriers and paying taxes while the cases are on going.
The wanton destruction of so much medieval source material because of zealot religious elements, absolute ruler tyranny and Henry VIII's reformation was terribly detrimental to the quantity of archived medieval records.
But the medieval publishing scene seems to have been quite prolific, so many copies of published works have survived.
Royal correspondence, papal bulls, diplomatic letters, theological works.
Whilst the ancient Egyptian/Greek & Roman eras were all terribly brutal, they didn't play host to the scale of events, sequences or socio-cultural environment to be considered on par with the medieval.
I've never had a single history lecturer who shared your opinion about the medieval era or reasoning for the dark age label.
They preferred to focus on the eras backwardness and the cultural darkness arising from the gratuitous death and destruction pursued by organised religious fanatics.
It's certainly an interesting perspective.
To quote a senior partner "On weekdays marriage is a business, one we view as spectators during work hours and personally avoid like the plague in our private lives".
It's a heck of a business where fees are £550 an hour, minimum of two hours to take client initial instructions and personalize the basic template contract with an average of 80 words.
If a bespoke document is required that's an instant £5000 plus VAT.
I'm guessing you've not gone through a divorce.
In London a signed pre-nuptial agreement is no protection at all in a secular divorce. Unlike France and Germany, London judges are very reluctant to uphold pre-nuptial agreements.
The same legal specialists that earn a fortune creating pre-nups also double their billing breaking them.
The old saying "if man can make it man can break it" becomes 'contract lawyer makes it, contract lawyer breaks it'.
London is seen as a coveted divorce venue for less affluent spouses of the super rich and more modestly deep pocketed- a perception arising from a series of very generous judicial financial settlement decisions. It's how London acquired the 'ancillary relief capital of the world' moniker.
On the plus side, divorce tourists are a goldmine for London- spending an absolute fortune on court fees, legal advice services, couriers and paying taxes while the cases are on going.
The wanton destruction of so much medieval source material because of zealot religious elements, absolute ruler tyranny and Henry VIII's reformation was terribly detrimental to the quantity of archived medieval records.
But the medieval publishing scene seems to have been quite prolific, so many copies of published works have survived.
Royal correspondence, papal bulls, diplomatic letters, theological works.
Whilst the ancient Egyptian/Greek & Roman eras were all terribly brutal, they didn't play host to the scale of events, sequences or socio-cultural environment to be considered on par with the medieval.
I've never had a single history lecturer who shared your opinion about the medieval era or reasoning for the dark age label.
They preferred to focus on the eras backwardness and the cultural darkness arising from the gratuitous death and destruction pursued by organised religious fanatics.
It's certainly an interesting perspective.
Original post by Dheorl
These days if you don't have a signed agreement at the start you likely just end with an argument in court if it ends. The primary point of a prenup is to save that anguish, save on lawyers and provide conditions regarding the termination of a relationship. It's nothing to do with denying rights to women, or turning marriage into a business.
Oh, and the dark ages are so called because of the lack of record on them, hence being in the dark about what happened. Sure, there have been better times in history, but there have also been worse; there's nothing exceptional about the dark ages.
Oh, and the dark ages are so called because of the lack of record on them, hence being in the dark about what happened. Sure, there have been better times in history, but there have also been worse; there's nothing exceptional about the dark ages.
Original post by londonmyst
I work with a legal firm that specializes in the business of pre-nuptial agreements, post-nuptial agreements and divorce litigation.
To quote a senior partner "On weekdays marriage is a business, one we view as spectators during work hours and personally avoid like the plague in our private lives".
It's a heck of a business where fees are £550 an hour, minimum of two hours to take client initial instructions and personalize the basic template contract with an average of 80 words.
If a bespoke document is required that's an instant £5000 plus VAT.
I'm guessing you've not gone through a divorce.
In London a signed pre-nuptial agreement is no protection at all in a secular divorce. Unlike France and Germany, London judges are very reluctant to uphold pre-nuptial agreements.
The same legal specialists that earn a fortune creating pre-nups also double their billing breaking them.
The old saying "if man can make it man can break it" becomes 'contract lawyer makes it, contract lawyer breaks it'.
London is seen as a coveted divorce venue for less affluent spouses of the super rich and more modestly deep pocketed- a perception arising from a series of very generous judicial financial settlement decisions. It's how London acquired the 'ancillary relief capital of the world' moniker.
On the plus side, divorce tourists are a goldmine for London- spending an absolute fortune on court fees, legal advice services, couriers and paying taxes while the cases are on going.
The wanton destruction of so much medieval source material because of zealot religious elements, absolute ruler tyranny and Henry VIII's reformation was terribly detrimental to the quantity of archived medieval records.
But the medieval publishing scene seems to have been quite prolific, so many copies of published works have survived.
Royal correspondence, papal bulls, diplomatic letters, theological works.
Whilst the ancient Egyptian/Greek & Roman eras were all terribly brutal, they didn't play host to the scale of events, sequences or socio-cultural environment to be considered on par with the medieval.
I've never had a single history lecturer who shared your opinion about the medieval era or reasoning for the dark age label.
They preferred to focus on the eras backwardness and the cultural darkness arising from the gratuitous death and destruction pursued by organised religious fanatics.
It's certainly an interesting perspective.
To quote a senior partner "On weekdays marriage is a business, one we view as spectators during work hours and personally avoid like the plague in our private lives".
It's a heck of a business where fees are £550 an hour, minimum of two hours to take client initial instructions and personalize the basic template contract with an average of 80 words.
If a bespoke document is required that's an instant £5000 plus VAT.
I'm guessing you've not gone through a divorce.
In London a signed pre-nuptial agreement is no protection at all in a secular divorce. Unlike France and Germany, London judges are very reluctant to uphold pre-nuptial agreements.
The same legal specialists that earn a fortune creating pre-nups also double their billing breaking them.
The old saying "if man can make it man can break it" becomes 'contract lawyer makes it, contract lawyer breaks it'.
London is seen as a coveted divorce venue for less affluent spouses of the super rich and more modestly deep pocketed- a perception arising from a series of very generous judicial financial settlement decisions. It's how London acquired the 'ancillary relief capital of the world' moniker.
On the plus side, divorce tourists are a goldmine for London- spending an absolute fortune on court fees, legal advice services, couriers and paying taxes while the cases are on going.
The wanton destruction of so much medieval source material because of zealot religious elements, absolute ruler tyranny and Henry VIII's reformation was terribly detrimental to the quantity of archived medieval records.
But the medieval publishing scene seems to have been quite prolific, so many copies of published works have survived.
Royal correspondence, papal bulls, diplomatic letters, theological works.
Whilst the ancient Egyptian/Greek & Roman eras were all terribly brutal, they didn't play host to the scale of events, sequences or socio-cultural environment to be considered on par with the medieval.
I've never had a single history lecturer who shared your opinion about the medieval era or reasoning for the dark age label.
They preferred to focus on the eras backwardness and the cultural darkness arising from the gratuitous death and destruction pursued by organised religious fanatics.
It's certainly an interesting perspective.
Tbh I'm more familiar with them in the USA, but I'll take your word on it. Having said that any lawyer who writes a contract so easy to break is IMO either a really **** lawyer, or a conman.
With regards to the dark ages, I'm surprised you've heard that from lecturers, as in general academics seem some of the most adverse to the term, purely because it's so often misunderstood in such a way. It really was no worse than many other times in history.
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