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The Death penalty - can this ever be justified in 2019?- your opinion please

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Original post by londonmyst
Are you a fundamentalist christian?


I guess so, I don't know how else I'd describe it.🤷
Original post by Wired_1800
I think there are risks with the death penalty, for example killing an innocent person or the government using it as a tool for revolutionaries. However, I agree with the the death penalty for murderers and pedophiles.


Paedophiles convicted of raping a child or multiple children?
Or all paedophiles convicted of any child sex offence- including those who download, sell or produce child pornography.
Original post by londonmyst
Paedophiles convicted of raping a child or multiple children?
Or all paedophiles convicted of any child sex offence- including those who download, sell or produce child pornography.


Convicted pedophiles should definitely be killed.

Those who have not yet attacked a child should be jailed. When they come out, they should be required to sign a public pedophile register and inform all neighbours/co-workers that they are pedophiles. If these people then attack/molest a child, they are given the death penalty.
Original post by Leviathan1611
I guess so, I don't know how else I'd describe it.🤷


My friend is a fundamentalist christian.
I think that there is a criteria of five components for fundamentalist christianity.
Scriptural literalism, scriptural inerrancy, biblical infallibility (king james bible only), salvation by faith alone and weekly attendance at a fundamentalist protestant church/ membership of a fundamentalist protestant denomination.
Original post by londonmyst
My friend is a fundamentalist christian.
I think that there is a criteria of five components for fundamentalist christianity.
Scriptural literalism, scriptural inerrancy, biblical infallibility (king james bible only), salvation by faith alone and weekly attendance at a fundamentalist protestant church/ membership of a fundamentalist protestant denomination.


ah then I guess I am a fundamentalist, except I don't attend a fundamentalist church since I'm not allowed 😁
Original post by Leviathan1611
ah then I guess I am a fundamentalist, except I don't attend a fundamentalist church since I'm not allowed 😁


Some fundamentalist christians have issues with using the word church because they want to totally separate themselves from both catholic traditions and all other protestant sects that do use the word church or build churches that look anything like the catholic ones.
Original post by londonmyst
Some fundamentalist christians have issues with using the word church because they want to totally separate themselves from both catholic traditions and all other protestant sects that do use the word church or build churches that look anything like the catholic ones.


so what word will they use instead of church? Congregation of the LORD? Assembly?
I don't really agree with the death penalty.. there have been people in the past who were wrongly accused of crimes they didn't commit and were given the death penalty. I would rather have a innocent person not die. But it also depends on the person and the degree of crime. If there is undeniable evidence, the person shows no guilt whatsoever and it seems like they might do it again if they're let out, then I think the death penalty is completely just for the safety of other people.
The fact that it's 2019 doesn't affect anything

I think the death penalty can only be used depending on the crime and the evidence which proves it was actually done

So I don't think it's right to kill an innocent person thinking that they were a murderer...
I also don't think it shud be used for certain crimes that had particular circumstances like they were accidental etc

An example wud be I don't think a person who purposely raped, and murdered multiple people can be just put into jail...if they're released, they'd just do it again and if it's for life, jail is actually classed as a luxury for some people...they live easy lives...it's not a big enough punishment...they cant be forgiven for crimes like that...
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Original post by Leviathan1611
if God commands the death penalty on someone, it's justified. because God is always just.


Amen, when god said let there be famine and war, he meant it in a just way. But people just don’t interpret it properly nowadays because the books have been changed by people
Original post by 3121
Amen, when god said let there be famine and war, he meant it in a just way. But people just don’t interpret it properly nowadays because the books have been changed by people


by books, do you mean the Bible? the Bible hasn't been changed (KJV is the preserved word of God in the English language), it's just surrounded by hundreds of counterfeits (NIV, ESV, NASB, MSG, NKJV etc.)
Original post by Leviathan1611
so what word will they use instead of church? Congregation of the LORD? Assembly?


Some fundamentalist christians use the words assembly, halls and gospel halls- as a substitute word for church, to indicate their place of communal worship.
The congregation of the lord term tends to be used in the usa, mainly by the church of christ faction.
The church of christ are not fundamentalist christians, they are very conservative evangelicals but have had a few high profile legal and sex scandals in the last 15 years.
Original post by Wired_1800
Convicted pedophiles should definitely be killed.

Those who have not yet attacked a child should be jailed. When they come out, they should be required to sign a public pedophile register and inform all neighbours/co-workers that they are pedophiles. If these people then attack/molest a child, they are given the death penalty.


I don't agree with the death penalty under any circumstances.
But there is no denying that the UK criminal justice system is unduly lenient with convicted paedophiles and this puts public safety at risk.

My uncle's life and health were ruined by a convicted paedophile.
A registered sex offender with prior violence convictions, breached his bail during the trial, pleaded not guilty and got a prison sentence of less than two years.
Re-offended almost immediately upon release from jail.
Original post by londonmyst
Some fundamentalist christians use the words assembly, halls and gospel halls- as a substitute word for church, to indicate their place of communal worship.
The congregation of the lord term tends to be used in the usa, mainly by the church of christ faction.
The church of christ are not fundamentalist christians, they are very conservative evangelicals but have had a few high profile legal and sex scandals in the last 15 years.


ah I see.
I think my classmate attends that sort of church.
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personally I think the death penalty should be replaced with torture, death is the easy way out. that should be a good deterrent
Original post by londonmyst
I don't agree with the death penalty under any circumstances.
But there is no denying that the UK criminal justice system is unduly lenient with convicted paedophiles and this puts public safety at risk.

My uncle's life and health were ruined by a convicted paedophile.
A registered sex offender with prior violence convictions, breached his bail during the trial, pleaded not guilty and got a prison sentence of less than two years.
Re-offended almost immediately upon release from jail.


You see, if that convicted pedophile was killed, he would not have been there to harm your uncle and permanently change his life. The issue with pedophiles is the evil they do to some of the most innocent people. It is rape, but way worse that how it is understood by adults.
Original post by Leviathan1611
ah I see.
I think my classmate attends that sort of church.


My first boyfriend's family are members of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster, a northern irish fundamentalist denomination formed by Ian Paisley.
He was atheist but if his family found out or he refused to go for worship, he'd have lost his inheritance.
Original post by londonmyst
My first boyfriend's family are members of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster, a northern irish fundamentalist denomination formed by Ian Paisley.
He was atheist but if his family found out or he refused to go for worship, he'd have lost his inheritance.


what a story. Ireland sounds like fun.
Original post by Wired_1800
You see, if that convicted pedophile was killed, he would not have been there to harm your uncle and permanently change his life. The issue with pedophiles is the evil they do to some of the most innocent people. It is rape, but way worse that how it is understood by adults.


I don't support killing any person except in self defence, no matter how evil or habitually criminal they are.
That paedophile is a vile excuse for a human being with no conscience at all- he should have been caged up for the rest of his life, prison or a mental facility.
I'm guessing he will spend the rest of his life offending, going to prison and reoffending.
Leaving a trail of devastation in his wake; a huge number of ruined lives, massive legal aid bill & court costs and housing benefits when he's not incarcerated.
Reading this probably has the affect of reinforcing your opinion that convicted paedophiles deserve death.

That predatory scumbags trials exposed what a predator he is in the UK.
Goodness knows how many children's lives he has destroyed during his lengthy holidays to Thailand over the years.
But the lackluster criminal sanctions routinely handed down to paedophiles after guilty verdicts do nothing to protect public safety.
Britain's criminal justice system needs to start issuing much harsher sentences for violence, child sex abuse and child pornography.
Plus shift court proceeding focus on the crime, the victim and the implications for society- rather than trying to be as accommodating as possible to a perjuring paedophile with a long criminal record.
Original post by JayJ2001
The death penalty is definitely justifiable, as some criminals are insane and will keep on killing no matter what. I do not think the death penalty should ever be effective, because in the past some people were wrongly convicted of crimes and got the death penalty. I would rather have criminals in jail than innocent people die for no reason.


If those people are, by any measure, judged to be clinically 'insane', surely the death penalty is an inappropriate form of punishment? It is, after all, the reason why we have legal defences such as diminished responsibility and, incidentally, insanity. If somebody has a mental deficiency then surely we have a responsibility to account for that in a court of law?

As I've said, I don't see any justification for the death penalty - not least in situations where the defendant is deemed to be insane.

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