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Original post by JavaScriptMaster
There's a reason for this you know, it's because the financial industry is dominated by men, about 70% or more workers are male.

In Engineering that figure is closer to 90%

What does this mean? There is a lack of women in these workplaces so employers want to balance it out and at least try to bring the ratio closer to 50-50

If that means giving women an "unfair advantage" then so be it, at the end of the day it's up to the employer to hire whomever they wish and it's up to us (the applicants) to make the most out of any situation.


No, you are not supposed to discriminate on essential characteristics. It's literally illegal.

70% of finance workers probably are men but this goes for the whole workforce, some people have probably been knocking around since before even the Equal Pay Act - and, being older, they'll be better paid too.

Among our generation, and new entrants, women outnumber men I would expect, and statistics says they are paid more per hour across all jobs.
Original post by banterboy
Yeah it's absurd, they hate the scientific method because it's "masculinist". These are the people holding governments and the media to ransom to support their idiocy.

btw don't compare schalisticism with feminism, feminism is much worse. Scholasticism did decent work with flawed Aristotelian logical system. Feminists don't use science or logic at all.

btw, are there actually scientists using the "feminist methodology"?


Probably are loads, always follow the funding.
Original post by Princepieman
You'd be caught out with background checks

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I'm curious to find out what kind of thing you think an employer does in their 'background checks' which would reveal whether or not a prospective employer is trans. Many trans people, certainly of ones I know and have met, still have their birth name on their passport etc but maybe that's just because of their age. I don't have statistics on hand, but I can't think of a reason for there to exist any kind of record (which employers would legally be able to see) detailing the gender identity of each applicant?
Original post by KnightCode
Why would a diversity quota be at 1%? that's like hiring one more black person to look diverse.
If you don't believe there is a 40% quota on select Norway companies, then search it up.
Even the EU has made a gender quota of 40%, but not every country agrees in a way like the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12034462/Britain-seeks-to-halt-EU-gender-quota-plan.html
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Glad that our confident in your ability :smile:


The quota isn't 1%, that is the amount of people who realistically enter the market via these restricted routes. Which is to say, very few.

I believe Norway has the quota, however UK companies definitely don't, otherwise my company is definitely breaking the law. Actually I don't think we get enough female applicants to feasibly manage 40% even if we hired every woman who meets our base standards.
Original post by J-SP
Not true that women outnumber men in these professions in your generation. The only professions it is true of is law and the civil service. Women are still under represented in graduate programmes - 42% of all graduate programmes, but make up 60% of the graduate population, so technically under represented by at least 8% although could argue that it's 18% of the eligible population.

I'd like to see the statistics that say women are paid more per hour across all jobs. Have you got a link to this?


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Women 22-40 are. ONS Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings. Median hourly pay excluding overtime.

After age 40 the pay gap reverses markedly. Either something happened in the early 1990s (first women who took coursework oriented GCSEs graduted uni, this is also when uni gender balance changed) or something happens to women aged 40 (they have babies and lose their labour market value).

Feminist organisations such as rhe Fawcett Societt quote this data to produce their pay gap figures on the order of 10% - by a simple arithmetic mean across all age groups. Deliberate statistical misrepresentation.
Original post by Mathemagicien
They're only paid more than men for the same hours, job and education

They actually earn less overall, if you don't account for the above


So, wait, women are discriminated against because you earn more as a woman than a man who is as qualified as you are?

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Lol, why would you have to be a leftist or communist to be in the EU?

That's like saying Texas should leave the USA because they're radically right wing..

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Yeah i've seen a "fe,minist philosophy" module on my philosophy module list, ****ing appalling. Luckily it in no way affects the proper disciplines within philosophy. We aren't seeing feminist logic or feminist metaphysics i don't think. I'm more worried for you guys; if feminism takes over physics say goodbye to the scientific method it took civilisation from Aristotle to the Enlightenment to figure out.
Programs which deal in such nonsense are the signs of a decadent society before it's collapse. Eventually the world centres of trade will be situated in Asia and Europeans will continue to argue as to the number of angles which can dance on the point of a needle until they either starve to death, or realise that equality is a pointless and trivial goal.
Original post by J-SP
Trying to read through the mass of that report but as of yet haven't seen anything to suggest what you are saying. Could you direct me to where that is made clear?

I just find this view very interesting when pretty much every graduate recruiter (and the industry as a whole) still has an issue with recruiting women. Pretty much any major graduate recruiter outside of the law and some civil service departments (DoE, CSFS) are struggling to attract and then recruit enough women.


Fig 9 of the 2014 report although apparently the 2015 one is now out too.

This is everyone not graduates - women are more likely to be graduates so grad recruiters could well be recruiting less women but on average womens pay still higher due to better education.

I guess "major grad recruiters" tend to be finance or technical, women do not like this stuff. Women go into teaching and healthcare which are decent pay but probably don't show up as the individual schools/hospitals employing them are only tiny.
Original post by J-SP
The latest push by the UK government is that companies with over 250 employees should report publically on any wage gaps. This would factor in job grade (so like-for-like jobs to some extent - you wouldn't compare a doctor against a nurse as they would be different grades), contracted hours worked etc. The idea is that it tries to eliminate some of the broader issues of women working less contracted hours or preferring less well paid careers, and would allow a fairer comparison.

Evidence suggests it does it exists, but the current flaws in the current data makes people question the validity of this. If the mandatory reporting did happen, it would clear things up a lot.


Now imagine if there was mandatory reporting of the wage differential in companies between the bosses and the sh*tmunchers and the wage progression of employees, rather than having employees argue over how many crumbs the boys vs girls get rather than acting in solidarity.

Feminism obstructs socialism and that is why the establishment likes it. Instead of examining issues like income inequality it can satisfy the left by just putting out some crap about empowering women. Feminist movement is a proxy for Marxist class struggle but the rank and file fall into the trap of thinking it is actually about women, that they have more common cause with rich well positioned women than similarly poor men.
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Original post by scrotgrot
Now imagine if there was mandatory reporting of the wage differential in companies between the bosses and the sh*tmunchers and the wage progression of employees, rather than having employees argue over how many crumbs the boys vs girls get rather than acting in solidarity.

Feminism obstructs socialism and that is why the establishment likes it. Instead of examining issues like income inequality it can satisfy the left by just putting out some crap about empowering women. Feminist movement is a proxy for Marxist class struggle but the rank and file fall into the trap of thinking it is actually about women, that they have more common cause with rich well positioned women than similarly poor men.


I don't think that is strictly fair. Many feminists have called for openness and transparency of wages to make things fairer on everyone, not just to allow wages between women and men to be compared.

At any rate, even if they are just demanding to be able to compare women and men, this doesn't fight counter-purpose to those seeking greater transparency of wages.
Original post by Elivercury
I don't think that is strictly fair. Many feminists have called for openness and transparency of wages to make things fairer on everyone, not just to allow wages between women and men to be compared.

At any rate, even if they are just demanding to be able to compare women and men, this doesn't fight counter-purpose to those seeking greater transparency of wages.


I don't mind them doing both in theory but in reality if the government can get away with appeasing the political left with identity politics it will, and progress on proper stuff will stagnate. Feminism/identity politics is supposed under the Frankfurt school to be a gateway to socialism but the opinion formers and rank and file are staying in their comfort zone. Feminists should be recognising that their identitarian goals have now largely been achieved and use the platform and political capital they have built up by virtue of focusing on essentialism and identity to push the less immediate, less instinctive class consciousness required for socialism.
Original post by scrotgrot
I don't mind them doing both in theory but in reality if the government can get away with appeasing the political left with identity politics it will, and progress on proper stuff will stagnate. Feminism/identity politics is supposed under the Frankfurt school to be a gateway to socialism but the opinion formers and rank and file are staying in their comfort zone. Feminists should be recognising that their identitarian goals have now largely been achieved and use the platform and political capital they have built up by virtue of focusing on essentialism and identity to push the less immediate, less instinctive class consciousness required for socialism.


But you are always going to have a full spectrum of causes. Asking people to abandon theirs because it competes with other similar causes hardly seems an appropriate response. Ultimately in your example it is the government that is flaws.

Of course you won't even get consensus among feminists, so they probably shouldn't be referred to as one whole group. You have everything from people wanting equality to female supremacists within the label.

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