Sex before marriage is always wrong.

Why?

I never said you should be married I said you should be in a loving relationship.
That's why I said No I don't agree

No, but it usually/often is.

*Anticipates arghhhh-conservative-social-opinions-make-me-angry neg*

Fair enough. Though you could say why do you have to be in a loving relationship if it is purely an act of selfish lust that can be enjoyed by both parties?

Well, for example, a lot of it propagates or is part of the sex trade/sex trafficking, a lot is rape, a lot is used to manipulate, harm or degrade women (or keep them in a place of inferiority), and so on. I have other reasons, but they are unlikely to be particularly persuasive in a secular context.

P.S. But thanks for asking rather than negging!

Even religous people should see the flaw in their argument that it is wrong? I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve couldnt get married yet they had sex?

hurr durr

Ooh, I don't know.

I'm torn between my Church - which says fornication is wrong. But I'm not sure if fornication could mean sleeping around recklessly, or just all extra-marital sex.

To be honest I think sex is something primarily for a loving relationship - it's not something that you just do with anyone and everyone.

Did I say a relationship was based on sex? No. I said it's the glue that holds the relationship together, and that is true. Generally if you have chemistry in bed then you will be stronger overall, as being sexually frustrated with someone impacts every other aspect of your relationship.

I have had sex before marriage and can account firmly that sometimes you just don't and never will get on well with someone in bed, regardless of how much you communicate. You can't change what turns you on and some people can't change their style of having sex. On the other hand, my partner is so in tune with my body and has been from day one, we've never needed to communicate to improve our sex life because we are so in tune with each other naturally. We are turned on by the same things. You can't put a price on that chemistry, and I highly doubt regardless of how much you communicate you can get that 'click' with someone who doesn't turn you on in bed to begin with.

Rape and degradation of women happens sometimes more WITHIN marriage?
And I don't think anyone was talking about illegal activities like rape or trafficking, but rather SEX, just sex, between 2 consenting adults.

Sorry then
I just find it annoying when people like to say if you don't have sex in a relationship then your relationship will fail. I know loads of couples who have healthy mature relationships that have lasted years without sex. And couples who have "good" sex and the relationship still broke up within months.

Even religous people should see the flaw in their argument that it is wrong? I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve couldnt get married yet they had sex?

hurr durr

Apart from all those religious people who don't believe in Adam and Eve...

It was just an example. My point was religion is full of contradictions, it is completely flawed.

Safe, consensual sex is fine.

It was just an example. My point was religion is full of contradictions, it is completely flawed.

I'm a philosophy nerd...forgive me.

But there is a theory that the bible has contradictions within it to show the aspects of the bible which is to not be taken literally...

Religion is down to the interpretation so you can not generalise and say that it is completely flawed as surely it is down to each individual within their sectors of religion that understand certain elements in different ways.

In basic terms, the contradictions arise from the interpretations...

Safe? Consensual? Why do you always have to take the fun out of everything!!

Do you agree or disagree?