Anti-Semitism on the march in Europe again

You keep talking about Hamas. What about the Palestinian Authority which still represents the Majority of Palestinians. It is becoming evident that you care little about the plight of the Palestinian people and are more obsessed with Hamas' founding charter and the narrative of the Israeli government.
Do you see any wrong with the current state of affairs in the middle east on the part of the Isreali government. How do u justify the the Jewish settlements in the West Bank?

I'm talking about Hamas because that is who Israel is fighting right now.

You didnt answer any of my other questions. What about the Settlements? Also,though they are fighting hamas now, its ordinary Palestinians who are dying and who die even when there is relative peace because of the crippling siege on gaza.

Look here's the thing: I'll break it down so it is easy to refute

1) the quran says a lot of awful things

So does the Old testament.

Ted Bundy murdered people. But so did John Wayne Gacy. I guess that makes none bad, huh?

No but it makes you look like a hypocrite in stating that Islam is fundamentally more sinister than other religions.

1) the quran says a lot of awful things

2) Muslims cannot be selective regarding what is written in the quran

3) ergo anyone who chooses to be Muslim supports all the horrid things written in that book

What you say there is utter rubbish. Christianity has been though changes in how the text is interpreted. You have the dogmatic lot who follow everything word for word then you have people who don't take it all literally and actually have some kind of free thought and morals the stuff gets filtered through.

Personally I don't know why anyone would follow a book religiously, but people do and they are not all evil. There is no reason why Islam in extremist theocracies can not have the same sort of transitions that Christianity has gone through in England.

I think its inevitable that those who sympathize with the pain being suffered and endured by the Palestinians will resent Jews who support their government's atrocities and human rights violations is the west bank and Gaza. Yes!

What the atrocities of Israel defending themselves? Right...

Go home anti-semite. Your lot died in 1945.

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That's petty. You cannot call anyone who attempts to explain the grievances the Palestinian people or speak out about what the UN has referred to as human rights violations and war crimes an antisemite. That is racism itself. And its attitudes like yours which stands in the way of a just peace for both sides in the middle east.

No, what is bigoted is not understanding the grievances Israelis have towards Hamas, as you seem to have shown throughout this thread.

You're an anti semite, not a defender of Palestinians. Don't even dare trying to claim you are looking out for Palestinians or speaking out against wrongs that have been committed against them. You are just using that reason to mask your bigotry.

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Do you have any proof for any of these accusations? Any statements to quote? I have throughout this thread emphasized that i do not agree with Hamas or the killing of Israeli civilians, I only tried to explain the objective reasons behind their actions.
I understand the feelings of Israeli's against hamas, i just dont see that as reason enough to kill a thousand innocent paletinians. I am also against the seige and illegal occupation. That doesnt make me an antisemite!!
I take it you dont care much for international law, that is where we disagree. if anyone is a bigot here it is you who propels the IDF rhetoric of making the offenders victims!!

Does Israel have a right to exist?

Do jews have a right to hate Hamas?

Are illegal occupation of land (debatable anyway since land belongs to all humans, not simply Palestinians) an moral execuse to fire rockets at Israel?

Hamas is a terrorist organisation as recognised by the UN, do you think international law supports them?

Does Israel have a right to defend itself?

Who fired first?

Are you that blinded by hatred of the Jews that you honestly think the IDF targets civilians?



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yes Isreal has a right to exist

Jews have a right to hate hamas though they would be better served by understanding why hamas exists(im guessing you dont wanna talk about that)

the occupation is illegal according to the un and international law so u cant say its debatable(you are exposing your inbuilt racism and the fact that u dont think the palestinians deserve to be treated as equals with human rights in Palestine)

and yes, it is a reason to resist, no county has ever been occupied or any peoples had thier rights suspended without resisting.

International law clearly states that the occupation is illegal and constitutes crimes against humanity. furthermore it is a war crime to launch a war against people you are occupying.

Israel does not have the right to defend itself so recklessly against a desperate imprisoned and occupied peoples whom they are occupying! the british government didnt behave this way against the IRA and thier terrorism!

Israel fired 1st, they arrested several hamas leaders in the west bank and started an air offensive in Gaza with no evidence that it was hamas who killed the 3 jewish teenagers.

And i never argued that the IDF is targeting civilians. But they are sure killing a lot of them in an attempt to kill hamas militants. I think its morally indefensible to kill a thousand civilians and make 200 thousand homeless in an attempt to kill a few among them.

I have just one question for you. Do you believe the Palestinian people deserve either
(i) A state of thier own where they can exercise sovereignty without foreign occupation
(ii)To be treated as equals, have their human rights recognized and respected and the right to vote and be represented.

You keep talking about Hamas. What about the Palestinian Authority which still represents the Majority of Palestinians. It is becoming evident that you care little about the plight of the Palestinian people and are more obsessed with Hamas' founding charter and the narrative of the Israeli government.
Do you see any wrong with the current state of affairs in the middle east on the part of the Isreali government. How do u justify the the Jewish settlements in the West Bank?

1) yes, but as a democracy that upholds liberal values. At the moment they are not, they are controlled by Hamas. Therefore they do not deserve their own state till Hamas is removed.
2) same as above. As a liberal, free democracy yes, anything other than,no.

I said Palestinians were being wronged in the sense that land is being taken from them. However, why can't Jews live there? (Peacefully)

Its down to racism. Palestinians would never let Jews live there, whether it is through immigration or annextion. Imagine that in Britain? We don't allow Muslims to live here peacefully, so what alternative would they have? Annextion.

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