Any guys identify as feminists on here?
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Original post by Kadak
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No.If you criticise sexist men you just get called a white knight and a beta male.
No.If you criticise sexist men you just get called a white knight and a beta male.
And that is so terrible? I personally have a lot of respect for men who stand up to sexist men. The kind of men I DON'T like, however, are the kind of men that are like "I have so much respect for girls. All that they go through. Periods, childbirth. I really feel sorry for them". Like no, shut the **** up, I don't need sympathy, respect is enough.
Original post by KingStannis
In bold is what I disagree with.
If you look at any statistics, in the western world men have it worse. Women have problems too, and I actively want to help women with things like not getting raped. However, advising women how to avoid the crime of rape is wrong, because apparently you're blaming her. I think this is appalling. This rhetoric will actively increase the number of rapes per year. The only reason I can think why feminism goes along with this line is that the more women get raped, the more funding feminist agencies will get. That's the nly rational reason for believing such a thing.
Rape culture in white western society is bull****. Sure, in some places such as Rotheram racial minorities has had a rape culture (which feminism doesn't acknowledge because it doesn't fit in with their absurd "white male" theory, which is frankly disgusting) But mainstream British culture, which abhors male on female rape more than any other crime is a rape culture?? No.
Feminism doesn't care about male rights. They often camp outside male rights meetings and try to destroy them. They have produced a narrative over the last 40 years that men are always oppressors, and women are always victims.
Transgendered people are a threat to feminism. They prove that, despite all the socialisation in the world to be a female, if you have the components in your mind to be a male, socialisation doesn't affect it and you will literally mutilate yourself to become the gender you are in your mind. This directly refutes the feminist notion that if male and female attributes are forced upon people in society, and that differences in biology don't affect behaviour.
If you look at any statistics, in the western world men have it worse. Women have problems too, and I actively want to help women with things like not getting raped. However, advising women how to avoid the crime of rape is wrong, because apparently you're blaming her. I think this is appalling. This rhetoric will actively increase the number of rapes per year. The only reason I can think why feminism goes along with this line is that the more women get raped, the more funding feminist agencies will get. That's the nly rational reason for believing such a thing.
Rape culture in white western society is bull****. Sure, in some places such as Rotheram racial minorities has had a rape culture (which feminism doesn't acknowledge because it doesn't fit in with their absurd "white male" theory, which is frankly disgusting) But mainstream British culture, which abhors male on female rape more than any other crime is a rape culture?? No.
Feminism doesn't care about male rights. They often camp outside male rights meetings and try to destroy them. They have produced a narrative over the last 40 years that men are always oppressors, and women are always victims.
Transgendered people are a threat to feminism. They prove that, despite all the socialisation in the world to be a female, if you have the components in your mind to be a male, socialisation doesn't affect it and you will literally mutilate yourself to become the gender you are in your mind. This directly refutes the feminist notion that if male and female attributes are forced upon people in society, and that differences in biology don't affect behaviour.
There doesn't need to be a battle of "who has it worse". I know that men have their problems, and I respect that. And I agree that a woman should never be blamed for rape, and this is actually what feminism teaches. That women can wear what they want.
Perhaps in the UK we don't have a rape culture, but it is a problem in the US. Which is a Western country.
Feminism DOES care about male's rights. MY feminism does. I know many feminists who think like me.
Transgendered people aren't a threat for feminism at all. It's really fine if a woman wants to become a man! There's nothing wrong with men at all. If men and woman should be equal, transgendered people should be equal to us too.
The question was are there any guys that identity as feminists. So all the misogynists and bigots of TSR respond.
Yes, I'm an active member of our university's feminist society
Feminism at its core is a reaction to the gendered structure of society. It's disadvantaged women in many ways (the power structure of society etc.) - hence why it's called feminism and not "gender equality" or "humanism" or whatever
- but also disadvantaged men.
I think it's vital for men to be a part of feminism and one of the struggles we've experienced as a femsoc is getting more men involved. I think it's sad what a bad press feminism gets - the work I've done has all been wonderfully positive and I've not met one "radical man-hating feminazi" or whatever. The girls (and boys) I've worked with are on the whole genuinely lovely people who believe in equality for both genders.
Feminism at its core is a reaction to the gendered structure of society. It's disadvantaged women in many ways (the power structure of society etc.) - hence why it's called feminism and not "gender equality" or "humanism" or whatever
- but also disadvantaged men. I think it's vital for men to be a part of feminism and one of the struggles we've experienced as a femsoc is getting more men involved. I think it's sad what a bad press feminism gets - the work I've done has all been wonderfully positive and I've not met one "radical man-hating feminazi" or whatever. The girls (and boys) I've worked with are on the whole genuinely lovely people who believe in equality for both genders.
Original post by kiki37
There doesn't need to be a battle of "who has it worse". I know that men have their problems, and I respect that. And I agree that a woman should never be blamed for rape, and this is actually what feminism teaches. That women can wear what they want.
Perhaps in the UK we don't have a rape culture, but it is a problem in the US. Which is a Western country.
Feminism DOES care about male's rights. MY feminism does. I know many feminists who think like me.
Transgendered people aren't a threat for feminism at all. It's really fine if a woman wants to become a man! There's nothing wrong with men at all. If men and woman should be equal, transgendered people should be equal to us too.
Perhaps in the UK we don't have a rape culture, but it is a problem in the US. Which is a Western country.
Feminism DOES care about male's rights. MY feminism does. I know many feminists who think like me.
Transgendered people aren't a threat for feminism at all. It's really fine if a woman wants to become a man! There's nothing wrong with men at all. If men and woman should be equal, transgendered people should be equal to us too.
Great response, honestly. Though I'd argue that we do definitely have a rape culture in the UK!
Original post by kiki37
I only made an account on here a few days ago and I'm a bit shocked at how some guys just seem so sexist. It seems so subtle and common on here, sometimes not so subtle with one forum I read being called something like "what is wrong with girls". It's actually kind of upset me a bit, I had more faith in our generation.
There are a lot of good guys around who do think about this issue. The problem is that TSR (and other web forums) attracts the reactionary element who can't bear the thought of women having any say, let alone what we humans call 'rights' or 'empowerment' and therefore froth at the mouth every time it gets mentioned.
TBH some of the worst and most vitriolic posters on here probably aren't in our generation anyway, TSR seems to attract some old guys who belong to UKIP and so on.
Original post by CJKay
TSR is not a reliable source for anything other than study materials. Don't try to derive public opinion from here, the forum outside of the study areas is made up of roughly 50% trolls.
I take exception generally to the term "troll". What it generally is, is debate and testing ideas. It's OK to hold or test ideas that are not the status quo. The term troll seems to be reserved for any ideas which are not the status quo.
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Original post by kiki37
And that is so terrible? I personally have a lot of respect for men who stand up to sexist men. The kind of men I DON'T like, however, are the kind of men that are like "I have so much respect for girls. All that they go through. Periods, childbirth. I really feel sorry for them". Like no, shut the **** up, I don't need sympathy, respect is enough.
Why did you say shut the f***k.I have confronted sexist men and criticized them.I don't get what inflammatory thing I have said.
Original post by kiki37
I mean that I care about women worldwide. We all need gender equality, just like we need racial equality. I didn't say the UK needs feminism more at all.
What do you do for women worldwide? Do you send food and clean water? Do you donate to Save the Children?
Let me tell you, it's incredibly patronising for women of the Western world to say "oh, yah, I care so much about those poor little African women, they are suffering the wrath of their fathers and husbands unlike we here. Did you know they aren't allowed to drive?! We must make a stand, for our African and Middle-Eastern sisterhood!"
The problem with this is that the women largely do not want the liberalism of the West. It is not their top priority to care about "rights". You know what the best "right" is? Survival. They strive to survive and this is the best system they have found to maintain their beating hearts. They struggle for resources and disease is ripe. The best way you can support women (or people) in third world countries is by inventing them vaccines, donating for clean water, etc.
tl;dr: think about your position a little harder.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
TBH some of the worst and most vitriolic posters on here probably aren't in our generation anyway, TSR seems to attract some old guys who belong to UKIP and so on.
TBH some of the worst and most vitriolic posters on here probably aren't in our generation anyway, TSR seems to attract some old guys who belong to UKIP and so on.
Eugh, what? You know the majority of the site vote Labour/Green and Conservative? Kippers have a particularly low representation here. How old is "old" for you? Those reactionaries don't believe women have too much voice and you know it. There is no misogyny from reactionaries.
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I dunno. I don't really like being an 'ist' but I would say my views on gender align with the concept of feminism.
Original post by kiki37
Oh, well, I'm sorry about that! Feminism is just wanting equality and men should be equally involved! These people don't seem like feminists to me. Girls aren't better than boys, we should all work together towards equality.
Have you heard of the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy?
It seems to me that feminism is about improving women's rights, and always has been.
Original post by DiddyDec
I don't know anyone who wasn't taught to respect women. Do you still believe we have a rape culture?
I don't know anyone who wasn't taught to respect women. Do you still believe we have a rape culture?
From my own personal experience there definitely is a culture where it is deemed ok among young males to shout sexually suggestive and explicit stuff towards women when drunk. I've been around this myself. Some girl from the sixth form we all used to go to walks past and starts talking to one of us. Then chants of '*inserhername* likes to take it up the ass' brakes out. Said girl looks incredibly uncomfortable and just walks away as quickly as possible. Whilst that isn't a rape culture as such it is a culture that is incredibly hostile towards women and it is completely understandable for a women to feel threatened when a group of men start shouting that sort of stuff about you.
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Original post by kiki37
I am against what you said too. Feminism should be bringing men and women together, not against each other
Yeah but in all honestly that is what feminism has become and is being taught as today- it's changed and people need to start accepting that instead of ignoring it, it's become full of twitter activists who care for nothing more than to whine and act in a totalitarian progressive/liberal manner which is ironic really. You either bend to their will and opinion or you're a misogynistic, rape apologist scumbag, because y'know 'labels' are the new fad.
Original post by Kadak
Why did you say shut the f***k.I have confronted sexist men and criticized them.I don't get what inflammatory thing I have said.
Noooooo I wasn't saying it to you, I was kind of expressing how I feel about the kind of men I mentioned. I'm sorry you thought it was directed to you :-)
Original post by Ikidyounot.
The question was are there any guys that identity as feminists. So all the misogynists and bigots of TSR respond.
This is one of the many many reasons i dislike feminism/ists so much.
The second you don't agree with their bull**** you're a bigot who hates women. What a load of *******s.
Original post by Dandaman1
Christina Hoff Sommers coined two definitions of feminism in the 1990s: Equity feminism and gender feminism. Equity feminism focuses on the legal rights and equal treatment of women as autonomous individuals. Gender feminism focuses on identity politics and the portrayal of women as a victimized group. The latter strongly characterizes modern (third wave) feminism: a gynocentric political movement more focused on victim politics and the 'gender wars' than real, honest equity. As such, it is awash with radicalism, gender bias, hypocrisy, and ludicrous double standards.
You and I would fall into the 'equity feminist' category, it seems.
You and I would fall into the 'equity feminist' category, it seems.
Sommers is pretty smart, I've seen her videos on some current topics and I agree with her on a lot of stuff.
I'm not sure about her theory/categorisation here, I mean yeah it makes sense to some extent but there are significant outliers, e.g. you only have to look at the tripe Harriet Harman spouts sometimes to see that "gender feminism" is also mixing with politics. It's one of the reasons for the Page 3 fiasco.
Lets also not rule out that you can have harmful radicals from both the above sects. You could go overseas and see within U.S Congress you have Hillary Clinton stating the females are the primary victims of war which is amazing when it's the males who are the stark majority of individuals being killed in wars in now and in history.
Then you also have Prof. Elizabeth Sheehy lobbying for women in abusive relationships to be above the law in that they should have the right to kill their male partners pre-emptively — in their sleep, say, or when they least expect it — without fear of being charged with murder.
On another note, it's funny how controversial it's become to simply state women have equal rights, amazing.
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Original post by rad_student
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I'll try and answer all your points.
1) I never said it wasn't on both sides, as well as those who don't consider themselves to be cisgendered.
2) According to your profile you are male. Why do you feel you should have a say in what conditions a woman can have control over her own body?
3) You're missing the point. It's fine for boobs to be on show if they're perky and attractive and sexualised. It's not fine for them to be used for their natural purpose of feeding children. Apparently.
4) The point is; he was deemed to have served his time after two and a half years - for being convicted of rape. I wonder if many of you on here understand what rape does to a victim.
5) It's not good business sense, because there are little boys and girls desperate for merchandise with ALL of their heroes on it, not just the male ones.
6) Disney is horrendously sexist towards both sides; they are very keen to maintain these gender stereotypes - and even when, in films such as 'Frozen', they appear at first to have beaten it, they ruin it - all men are either evil and conniving like Hans, or dumb like Kristoff. Disney is a prime example of an organisation that do not want gender equality on either side.
Same goes for films like Magic Mike etc, I don't watch these because just as much as I don't like films that objectify women, I don't like ones that objectify men either. We're humans, not objects.
In my experience egalitarians by and large believe there already is equality, when there isn't. Fair enough if that's not your definition, but to suggest we're all equal and treated well is a fallacy.
I wasn't suggesting that men fight our battles (my views on HeForShe are complicated). We aren't telling men to fix our problems, we're fighting for the rights to be able to fix them - the whole point is that we don't want men to 'let' us do anything, we don't want them to 'give' us anything - we deserve it, and we are going to take it.
(BTW not all feminists are free-bleeders, I find it disgusting and don't think sanitary protection has anything to do with feminism, personally. Just like very few feminists actually hate men, or burn bras, or do whatever else people imagine feminists do).
Original post by kiki37
Noooooo I wasn't saying it to you, I was kind of expressing how I feel about the kind of men I mentioned. I'm sorry you thought it was directed to you :-)
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Oh, Ty 😃 for clearing it up for me.
Original post by kiki37
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For a start, it is more or less impossible to agree with modern day, politicised feminist theory after watching this documentary.
Original post by kiki37
I only made an account on here a few days ago and I'm a bit shocked at how some guys just seem so sexist. It seems so subtle and common on here, sometimes not so subtle with one forum I read being called something like "what is wrong with girls". It's actually kind of upset me a bit, I had more faith in our generation.
You sound like a right crybaby.
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