Original post by LaMandarineI swear, some people here get so frustrated over what are, in essence discussions on a student forum, it just feels like you're at the PMQs (minus the swearing).
I would like to point out that I referred to "your average jobs" i.e. a cleaner, cashier, chef, plumber, even a low-rank nurse. These kinds of lower tier jobs, that require a minimum amount of experience or qualification. If there is a better way to classify these jobs, somebody let me know (not a native, so my vocabulary is limited). I did not refer to doctors, for many reasons, primarily being that to be able to profess as a doctor you need to pass heavy examinations(theoretical and practical), study kilometres of pages, get qualifications, etc. If you as an unskilled -say- Romanian builder want to get hired in the UK to build bridges, you can take a small role with little to any experience, and progress eventually to something higher. You can sell yourself for far lower than a British person, for the reasons I have already mentioned in my previous post, and thereby get the job instead of him.
From your main post, you did not refer to doctors particularly either, so I don't understand why you're countering my argument with a single example that I didn't even use. If you wanted to debate over foreign doctors exclusively, you could have mentioned that from your OP. You generally referred to the issue of immigrants taking British people's jobs, and so did I.
Anyway, from what I know, it's usually these low-tier British workers, who need a job in building, cleaning, retail, hospitality, that are angry. And they're angry for what I wrote in my initial post. To that I will also add, it's not the business owners who hire people in such businesses, it's the manager. Managers will always aim to get people who can work most for the least amount of money, and these people tend to be foreigners, again, for the reason that I mentioned. Also, if you think that foreign people are not brought into this country illegally to work, specifically because they can be made to work many hours for a pittance and be housed in s**it accommodation, then you're absolutely dreaming. I am aware of the sanctions they could face, but I am also aware that few generally get caught, hence why this is raised as an issue.
Watch your potty mouth. I did not say my preference, I said British taxpayer's preferences. And I did not refer to doctors, I referred to nurses. There are some types of nurses that are not required to take a degree, such as LVNs and LPNs (licensed vocational/practical nurses). Usually, in low urgency medical cases, you will be greeted by one of those, prior to meeting a qualified nurse or a doctor.
Also, if you have any source that highlights the shortage of native British doctors, do share. I am genuinely curious, and know little on this matter.
Lastly: just a friendly suggestion. Aside from vexed opinions, your OP doesn't bring anything to substantiate your view. Add examples if you want people to take you more seriously on this matter.