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What is worse: criticising someone for their religion or their race watch

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    Definitely race. Religion is set of beliefs that can be interpreted as good and bad or right and wrong by each different person. It's a 'choice' and can directly affect actions of people.

    Race is just a label based on where you were born or who gave birth to you. There's absolutely no reason to need to criticise someone for their race. Whereas religions can be (constructively) examined, discussed and criticised if appropriate.
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    Religion is a choice
    Race isn't
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    You don't choose your race but you do choose your religion.
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    (Original post by Craig1998)
    If it was a forced choice, I'd pick race purely because of the suggestions other users have posted, that it is determined from birth, and religion isn't.

    However, I believe they're as bad as eachother as criticising somebody for something as petty as religion or race just shows how much of an ******** you are, and how you're failing to look deeper into who that person is (i.e. you can get religious people like Abu Bakr al-Bagdadi who'll use their religion for bad, and then you can nice religious people like Nadiya Hussain who'll show there's good in every group).
    Not really petty, religion often forms a big part of someone's identity.
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    Criticising race is worse.

    (Original post by oShahpo)
    Both are bad because both are quite ignorant stances.
    You see, with most Abrahamaic religions, you can pretty much pick and choose whatever you want and still be called Muslim/Christian/Jew. In fact, for Christianity all you have to do is believe in Jesus, and for Islam all you have to do is give money to the poor and do a few silly rituals. The fact that a person is a Muslim, devout or not, tells you nothing about which parts of the Quran or the Hadith they follow. However, it does tell you one thing, whenever I see a nice Muslim, I can make the correct conclusion that they're either intellectually dishonest with themselves, cognitively dissonant, ignorant about Islam or just plain stupid, for if you're going to cherry pick the nice things then why the hell do you need to be a Muslim then? But then again I remember how strong indoctrination is when it comes to religion and it all kinda make sense.
    Or that nice Muslim is not ignorant but just follows a different interpretation of the one you believe Islam to be.
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    (Original post by Jibola240)
    Not really petty, religion often forms a big part of someone's identity.
    Couldn't find the right word to use so I used petty, I hope you get the idea of what I'm saying though.
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    If by "criticise someone's race", you mean use racial information to draw unfounded/prejudgemental conclusions about their character, then I'd vote "race". Since are we free agents, the sum total of one's character ("personality") cannot be easily summarized by hereditary information like ethnic background. But if you mean criticise sub-cultures within a racial demographic, eg black underclass in the US, then that's more reasonable but social acceptability depends on your audience.

    If we're talking about criticising the religious ideology, that is purely based on reason on whether the ideology is acceptable/compatible with modern civilised society - it's not about discriminating against its followers, but most people find it quite a sensitive topic because it's so personal. I consider it perfectly fine if your audience can think critically without letting their feelings get in the way.

    EDIT - I forgot, the phrasing of the title says "criticise someone for their..." in which case, it depends. If you criticise the beliefs and actions of Muslims, that's okay - but criticising Muslims in and of itself without making the distinction is less okay, because that's only one step removed from the hatred and discrimination involved with racism.
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    (Original post by Legendary Quest)
    What do you mean? Criticising a person purely because of their race is wrong. Criticising a religion is fine but if you are doing it simply to undermine a person then that is wrong too.



    I disagree. You shouldn't judge someone that quickly. Let's use Islam as an example. There are many questionable things written both in the hadiths and the Quran but some of the nicest people I have met and most of my close friends are Muslims (and they take their religion quite seriously). With religion, it really does depend on how people interpret it. Some take the words literally and turn into 'extremists' whilst others focus more on the pleasant parts and turn out to be great individuals.
    I suppose then it depends whether their version of the doctrine is compatible with modern views - the moderates who believe in the existence of God but not necessarily the infallibility of prophets/doctrine are acceptable people, but those who are more divorced from reality by accepting fundamentalist views are less valued in our society.
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    Pretty self explanatory (no choice in our ethnicity). Avoid criticising people too personally/heavily on any count, without a fairly deep understanding
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    I'd say race is worse. Simply because you can't change it(unless you're MJ) I mean religion isn't necessarily a chosen thing, if you're born into a particular religion then regardless of how much you believe in it, it becomes a part of who you are, I find those who change their religion have particularly strong views on religion and those who don't have particularly strong views tend to keep the religion (or atheism) they were born into.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    Criticising race is worse.



    Or that nice Muslim is not ignorant but just follows a different interpretation of the one you believe Islam to be.
    There is no nice interpretation of asking your soldiers to tear the arms and legs of your enemies, whoever they were.
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Which is worse? Criticizing someone for the religion they follow or the skin colour they are born with?
    They both count as bigotry.
    It's fine to criticse a religion in the abstract. But it's not acceptable to hate someone just simply for being a religion. Ie, saying 'we should ban all Muslims' is just as bigoted as saying 'we should ban all whites/blacks'.

    Often religions are as much to do with culture, background a a way someone hasbeen brought up as they are to do with genuine belief in a deity.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    You don't choose your race but you do choose your religion.
    What about little kids brought up in religion who've been brainwashed to believe and follow it?

    They don't really 'choose' it in the normal sense of having free will.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    What about little kids brought up in religion who've been brainwashed to believe and follow it?

    They don't really 'choose' it in the normal sense of having free will.
    When they are older they can choose.

    But yes brainwashing children is clearly wrong but doesn't negate the fact a person religion is a choice
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    When they are older they can choose.

    But yes brainwashing children is clearly wrong but doesn't negate the fact a person religion is a choice
    They can, but often it's been so ingrained in them that their free will is really hampered. If you're told day in day out that something is true and that if you don't beleive in it you'll go to hell and your family will disown you, it makes it not so black and white.

    Bringing someone up in religion is clearly brainwashing but the blame should be pointed at the religion itself rather than the victims of brainwashing.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    They can, but often it's been so ingrained in them that their free will is really hampered. If you're told day in day out that something is true and that if you don't beleive in it you'll go to hell and your family will disown you, it makes it not so black and white.

    Bringing someone up in religion is clearly brainwashing but the blame should be pointed at the religion itself rather than the victims of brainwashing.
    Then as a society we have much more to do to bring this message to the abused victims of this backwardness

    They need to know and be supported in their own choice and those who deny them their choice should be dealt with severely.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Then as a society we have much more to do to bring this message to the abused victims of this backwardness

    They need to know and be supported in their own choice and those who deny them their choice should be dealt with severely.
    It's the reason I think all faith schools should be banned and turned into secular schools. Faith schools are among the biggest culprits in brainwashing.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    It's the reason I think all faith schools should be banned and turned into secular schools. Faith schools are among the biggest culprits in brainwashing.
    Completely agree with you and school children also need to be actively taught that this is a choice they can make for themselves.
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    Why do you need to criticize?
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    (Original post by mrahim)
    Why do you need to criticize?
    because of empathy with the victims and a dislike of the ideology that promotes slaughter such as this.

    but tell why we shouldn't
 
 
 
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