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Inverse Matrices Help

Hi there,

We've just started matrices in FP1 and I'm stuck on a question regarding inverse matrices:

"Find the value of xx given that A2 = A-1 and A = (1x1110100)\begin{pmatrix} 1 & x & 1\\ -1 & -1 & 0\\ 1 & 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}."

I'm assuming A isn't singular as the inverse is mentioned (meaning the determinant cannot be 0) but I don't know what to do from here.

Thanks,

Dan
(edited 10 years ago)
Reply 1
I multiplied out to get A2 and got (2x0101+x11x1)\begin{pmatrix} 2-x & 0 & 1\\ 0 & -1+x & -1\\ 1 & x & 1 \end{pmatrix} (and I know this is the same as the inverse).

How do I solve for xx?
Original post by danlocke
I multiplied out to get A2 and got (2x0101+x11x1)\begin{pmatrix} 2-x & 0 & 1\\ 0 & -1+x & -1\\ 1 & x & 1 \end{pmatrix} (and I know this is the same as the inverse).

How do I solve for xx?


I believe you can do this:

A2=A1\mathbf{A^2} = \mathbf{A^{-1}}

 AA2=AA1\Rightarrow \ \mathbf{A} \mathbf{A^2} = \mathbf{A} \mathbf{A^{-1}}

 AA2=I\Rightarrow \ \mathbf{A} \mathbf{A^2} = \mathbf{I}

 A(2x0101x11x1)=(100010001)\Rightarrow \ \mathbf{A} \begin{pmatrix} 2-x & 0 & 1 \\0 & 1-x & -1 \\1 & x & 1 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\0 & 1 & 0 \\0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}
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Reply 3
Original post by Khallil
I believe you can do this:

A2=A1\mathbf{A^2} = \mathbf{A^{-1}}

 AA2=AA1\Rightarrow \ \mathbf{A} \mathbf{A^2} = \mathbf{A} \mathbf{A^{-1}}

 AA2=I\Rightarrow \ \mathbf{A} \mathbf{A^2} = \mathbf{I}

 A(2x0101x11x1)=(100010001)\Rightarrow \ \mathbf{A} \begin{pmatrix} 2-x & 0 & 1 \\0 & 1-x & -1 \\1 & x & 1 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\0 & 1 & 0 \\0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}


I know from here you can multiply each side by A-1 to get IA2 = A-1I and the cancel the Is, but I don't know how to solve for x from here:

(2x0101+x11x1)=(1x1110100)\begin{pmatrix} 2-x & 0 & 1\\ 0 & -1+x & -1\\ 1 & x & 1 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & x & 1\\ -1 & -1 & 0\\ 1 & 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}
Reply 4
Original post by danlocke
I know from here you can multiply each side by A-1 to get IA2 = A-1I and the cancel the Is, but I don't know how to solve for x from here:

(2x0101+x11x1)=(1x1110100)\begin{pmatrix} 2-x & 0 & 1\\ 0 & -1+x & -1\\ 1 & x & 1 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & x & 1\\ -1 & -1 & 0\\ 1 & 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}


Why do you want to multiply by A1A^{-1} again?

Just follow Khalil's instructions, do the multiplication on the LHS. then equate coefficients.
The most straight forward way would be to note A^3=I, so it has determinant 1. Simply solve the determinant equation you get in terms of x.
Reply 6
Ok so if I multiply by A to get A3 = I I get this:

(3xx22x2+x1x02x01)=(100010001)\begin{pmatrix} 3-x & x^2 & 2-x\\ -2+x & 1-x & 0\\ 2-x & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 1 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}

We've only done half a lesson or so on inverse matrices so they're not my strong point- how do I go about solving the determinant when it's equal to 1?

We've done this with 2x2 matrices, so I could comfortably solve for x if I was given this for example:

A=(3x21),A=2A=\begin{pmatrix} 3 & x\\ 2 & 1 \end{pmatrix} , |A|=2

A=(31)(x2)=2x=0.5|A|=(3*1)-(x*2)=2 \Rightarrow x=0.5

However I'm not sure how to do this with a 3x3 matrix, can someone walk me through it?

Thanks,

Dan
Original post by FireGarden
The most straight forward way would be to note A^3=I, so it has determinant 1. Simply solve the determinant equation you get in terms of x.


It may be straight forward but it is also wrong: lots of matrices other than the identity have determinant one.
Original post by danlocke
Ok so if I multiply by A to get A3 = I I get this:

(3xx22x2+x1x02x01)=(100010001)\begin{pmatrix} 3-x & x^2 & 2-x\\ -2+x & 1-x & 0\\ 2-x & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 1 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}

We've only done half a lesson or so on inverse matrices so they're not my strong point- how do I go about solving the determinant when it's equal to 1?


Work through component by component. For the top row:

3-x = 1 so x=2
x^2 = 0 so x=0
2-x=0 so x=2

You have conflicting values of x coming out, which suggest you haven't found the right value of A^3.

edit: I get 2x-x^2 for the top middle component.
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Reply 9
Original post by electriic_ink
Work through component by component. For the top row:

3-x = 1 so x=2
x^2 = 0 so x=0
2-x=0 so x=2

You have conflicting values of x coming out, which suggest you haven't found the right value of A^3.

edit: I get 2x-x^2 for the top middle component.


I just tried the multiplication again and definitely got the same answer... How did you get 2xx22x-x^2?
Reply 10
Original post by danlocke
I just tried the multiplication again and definitely got the same answer... How did you get 2xx22x-x^2?


Check your result for A2A^2 - I get 1-x as the central element (row 2, column 2) so that's where you're going wrong.
Reply 11
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Most of the solutions are x=2x=2 but what about the quadratic where x=0x=0? Also what does 0=00=0 and 1=11=1 mean in this context?

EDIT: not sure why the image has rotated...
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Reply 12
Original post by danlocke
20131114_210735.jpg

Most of the solutions are x=2x=2 but what about the quadratic where x=0x=0? Also what does 0=00=0 and 1=11=1 mean in this context?

EDIT: not sure why the image has rotated...


Well you're trying to end up with the identity matrix - with 1s on the diagonal and 0s elsewhere. So if you end up with 0s and 1s where they should be, that's great.

All you have to do now is make sure that you can find an x value that puts 1s and 0s in the other places where you need them. If one of your x values doesn't do this you can reject it!
Reply 13
Original post by davros
Well you're trying to end up with the identity matrix - with 1s on the diagonal and 0s elsewhere. So if you end up with 0s and 1s where they should be, that's great.

All you have to do now is make sure that you can find an x value that puts 1s and 0s in the other places where you need them. If one of your x values doesn't do this you can reject it!


Ah ok that makes sense. Thanks for your help :smile:


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